Starting first cycle with pubertal gyno. Start ai from first pin?

[ludwigvankitteh]

so I have pubertal gyno which I assume is irreversible. About to start my first cycle of 500mg/wk test e.

I only have access to adex. Should I start Adex ai from the first pin? Or..?

recommendations on AI use would be great here.

 

[cdoubleu]

I would. Maybe even a low dose of nolva throughout the cycle.
First hand experience from my first cycle tells me that shit can get out of hand fast with pre-existing gyno, even if it is minor.

Who knows you might be ok but i wouldnt risk waiting to take an ai until u start to notice symptoms, may be hard to catch up to symptoms after that.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

I would definitely include an AI. Youre already a candidate for gyno, dont risk it any further. Begin your Adex at .25mg EOD and adjust from there. You'll likley require more, but blood work will determine where you ought to be in terms of estrogen.

 

[Gojiraz]

I also had pubertal gyno and ATM running aromasin at 12.5mg ED on ~1g of test/0.42g of Win per week, everything is going/feeling great. Even with a mild cycle like so I would take the percussion if you know you're estrogen prone.

Half-life of anastrozole is ~50 hours, hence it is often taken EOD; a common dose for arimidex is 0.5mg EOD. To keep levels steady you could go with 0.25mg ED, I might just take 1-2 days off in the middle of the week to let the levels drop back down otherwise you might build up too much overlap and be overkilling with the AI (symptoms of low estro include: Decrease in libido, anxiety, fatigue, depression, achy joints, pale skin, etc). Also if you really think it could be a problem you could get some letro just to have on hand.

Also just clarifying: you're saying you developed gyno during puberty and still have it, correct? I don't know your current body composition, or severity of the gyno but I can tell you my man boobs have subsided with time/training, though it could be my issue was mild in comparison. I believe the only thing that is "irreversible" are if tumors have developed; Obviously the cause of gyno is increased estrogen activity in breast tissue, once your body gets over the aromitizing issue (which will increase as you become more fit) and estrogen activity in breast tissue has subsided so will the breast tissue.

Taken from the mayoclinic:​

• • Gynecomastia during puberty. Gynecomastia caused by hormone changes during puberty is relatively common. In most cases, the swollen breast tissue will go away without treatment within six months to two years.

Think about women who get ripped, their bust size decreases and they still have significant estrogen. You're a male, as you're test levels increase/stop aromatizing at a high rate you won't have anything promoting those female sex traits.

Hope that helped, best of health!

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[Leanmeatball]

Yes. I would start at .25mg eod and adjust as/if needed.

LM

 

[Big_paul]

I would. Don't go crszy. 0.5 mg adex eod, and have a serm available if needed.

Decrease the ai if you can. Less is better.

 

[ludwigvankitteh]

Noted all comments. Yes, it is gyno from puberty that did not go away and has glandular tissue. I will also have nolva and clomid on hand (primarily for pct but there will be enough spares for a low dose) so I guess I'm pretty much good to go?

Some stats. 5'8.5" 162lbs. Trained for 5years. Started from 120lbs. Workouts have always been focused around powerlifting. Probably about 15% bf currently. Gonna finish up my cut before starting on the cycle.

 

[Sworder]

Doesn't matter, you do not need an AI in the start...
I have gyno too from puberty, do not listen to everybody that is saying use THIS and THAT amount. They have no idea about your e2 levels so DO NOT LISTEN to them, it will make you tank your e2 because you are paranoid and these guys are telling you to use an AI from the get go.. Get labs if needed to see your e2.
E2 is great for many reasons, GH production, ligament/tendons, and many other factors. Don't crash your e2. Use AI as needed, get labs if needed but there is no standard dose you should start with..
Also, with PCT it may improve, nolva during the cycle isn't beneficial..

 

[SJB78]

I agree with above. Get bloods. What are your estrogen levels like. What caused the gyno. Don't crash your estrogen for no reason.

 

[ludwigvankitteh]

I've had labs done.

Test at 815 and e2 38 natty

I've had the gyno since I was 16 or smth. Am 25 now. So start the ai when I get mid cycle bloods done?

 

[Big_paul]

Doesn't matter, you do not need an AI in the start...
I have gyno too from puberty, do not listen to everybody that is saying use THIS and THAT amount. They have no idea about your e2 levels so DO NOT LISTEN to them, it will make you tank your e2 because you are paranoid and these guys are telling you to use an AI from the get go.. Get labs if needed to see your e2.
E2 is great for many reasons, GH production, ligament/tendons, and many other factors. Don't crash your e2. Use AI as needed, get labs if needed but there is no standard dose you should start with..
Also, with PCT it may improve, nolva during the cycle isn't beneficial..

I say error on the side caution. Dont crash e2 though..

 

[Sworder]

I say error on the side caution. Dont crash e2 though..

Been there, crashed that

 

[Big_paul]

If you have to make a mistake, do you want tits?

 

[SJB78]

If you have to make a mistake, do you want tits?

He's already got them

 

[Sworder]

He's already got them

No, he is probably referring to a small glandular node behind the areola. The % of people having pre-pubertal/pubertal gyno is very high. Most people don't even notice it.

If you have to make a mistake, do you want tits?

"Tits" don't grow overnight. Even if OP gets a flare up it's just a swelling of the tissue, it goes down really fast and there is no reason to worry.
Don't get butthurt BP.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

OP, i can almost guarantee you that your estrogen will climb outside any reference range with 500mg of exogenous testosterone. I would begin like i recommended at .25mg EOD with your Adex. .25mg EOD will NOT crash you while adding 500mg of exogenous testosterone per week.

Sworder is a stray cat around here and thinks trenbolone is fine for TRT. Its not surprising that he gets banned from almost every site he signs up to, except maybe EVO..they'll take anyone. I wont argue with him either, that's proven to be a lost cause. But i do agree on his bloodwork suggestion. At times he does have intelligent contributions, just not this one. The idea is to maintain steady bloods, not turn your endocrine system into a roller coaster while slamming an AI because your dik doesn't work or you see pimples.

Barring blood work, include an AI on this cycle. You'll thank me later.

p.s. you'll likley have to increase that about 4-6wks in to .5mg EOD.

 

[Sworder]

Sworder is a stray cat around here and thinks trenbolone is fine for TRT. I wont argue with him either, that's proven to be a lost cause. But i do agree on his bloodwork suggestion. At times he does have intelligent contributions, just not this one.
p.s. you'll likley have to increase that about 4-6wks in to .5mg EOD.

NN you have no idea what you are talking about, keep "my words" out of your mouth. I never said Tren was fine for TRT, but then again all these scientists working on SARMs are agreeing and researching other methods for TRT, I will stay on their side while you most LIKLEY will be found on the circle-jerk team.

P.S. The "likely" scenarios are what causes problems, because we are not all the same and you most LIKLEY shouldn't give advise on probabilities..

 

[Northern Nutrition]

If i wasn't busy being productive elsewhere id happily dig up that thread on Steroid.com where you were schooled over and over again until Brian banned you forever. The entire board had enough of your nonsense. Shall i post the links and show the OP what a tool you are? In fact, if my memory serves my correctly i believe CBS posted them awhile back too.

But lets not get into that. Im tired and have to get up early tomorrow.

Good night, Sworder.

 

[Sworder]

I didn't even read your post where you are stating the OP is a "candidate" for gyno. WTF does that mean?

If you want to debate the Tren for TRT we can start a thread, but then again you LIKLEY don't know how to discuss a topic intelligently.
Follow CBS:
1. Attack the person.
2. Deflect.
3. Change the subject.

Yes, I am a stray cat. IDGAF about feelings or stepping on toes. Nobody wants to stay on the topic. They always do the CBS tactic as described above and that was what got me banned

 

[ludwigvankitteh]

Apart from all the attacks going on, 0.25 eod second day from first pin till mid cycle bloods with adjustments if the gyno starts swelling before the mid cycle bloods, otherwise adjust after mid cycle bloods. Sounds good?