Sworder
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Can you give me criteria I need to fulfill? E.g. 4 studies on male bodybuilders.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Starting first cycle with pubertal gyno. Start ai from first pin?
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Start with posting longer term studies on adult male subjects that support your original claim: SERM inhibits GH secretion.
Sworder
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That's not definitive... I feel it is more than justified to extrapolate the data, do you find a single study on rats, females, or males stating the opposite? Because all you are doing is saying "NO NO NO NO NO" and that makes your refute look weak. Extrapolation is always going to be done in studies, studies are to show what THAT study shows. It is never going to be applicable to a single person as for OP, however you extrapolate the data. The data in this case shows dozens and dozens of studies supporting "Tamoxifen decreases GH/IGF-1" and I cannot find one stating the opposite. And I am a google ninja so I would have found it... Good bye CBS, enjoy your Saturday, surely you have better things to do than squat on a forum all day?
ex·trap·o·late
ikˈstrapəˌlāt/
verb
verb: extrapolate; 3rd person present: extrapolates; past tense: extrapolated; past participle: extrapolated; gerund or present participle: extrapolating
- extend the application of (a method or conclusion, especially one based on statistics) to an unknown situation by assuming that existing trends will continue or similar methods will be applicable.
"the results cannot be extrapolated to other patient groups"- estimate or conclude (something) by extrapolating.
"attempts to extrapolate likely human cancers from laboratory studies"
- estimate or conclude (something) by extrapolating.
YOU feel it's justified? LMFAO
My refutation doesn't require anything more than asking you to support yours. You're the positive claimant here, not me. Therefore, the onus is on you to provide supporting evidence, not mine to provide anything contradictory.
You still haven't proven that SERMs inhibit GH secretion in adult males. Keep DEFLECTING, Sworder - it suits you.
Then it shouldn't be difficult for you to find these "dozens and dozens of studies supporting "tamoxifen decreases GH" in adult HUMAN males. But you haven't posted any. Could it be that these dozens and dozens of studies don't exist, and that you're actually promoting bro lore?
I'll take that as an admission that you can't support your assertion. IOW, you're full of shit.
Sworder
Member
In adult females I have tons of studies...
But that won't suffice for you I guess. This isn't a debate, I say one thing and you say NO. I say something else, you say NO.
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Is OP an adult female? No. You might be surprised to learn that male and female physiology can be very different, particularly in the area of sex hormones.
Regardless, you just admitted that you've got nothing. IOW, you're full of shit.
But that won't suffice for you I guess. This isn't a debate, I say one thing and you say NO. I say something else, you say NO.
A debate? No, it isn't that. If it was a debate, you would have supported your position. Instead, you resort to using logical fallacies and posting studies you don't understand.
Sworder
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The pharmacodynamics of tamoxifen doesn't change much because it is a female, young male, or old male. You can't refute properly and respond and chase my posts. But that is also why I love you. 
You have to admit there is some sort of attraction between us, CBS. Call it love, call it hate, but there is something that is keeping you attracted to me.
You have to admit there is some sort of attraction between us, CBS. Call it love, call it hate, but there is something that is keeping you attracted to me.
Sworder
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Why Do Medical Researchers Use Mice?
http://www.livescience.com/32860-why-do-medical-researchers-use-mice.html
From formulating new cancer drugs to testing dietary supplements, mice and rats play a critical role in developing new medical wonders. In fact, 95 percent of all lab animals are mice and rats, according to the Foundation for Biomedical Research (FBR).
Scientists and researchers rely on mice and rats for several reasons. One is convenience: rodents are small, easily housed and maintained, and adapt well to new surroundings. They also reproduce quickly and have a short lifespan of two to three years, so several generations of mice can be observed in a relatively short period of time.
Mice and rats are also relatively inexpensive and can be bought in large quantities from commercial producers that breed rodents specifically for research. The rodents are also generally mild-tempered and docile, making them easy for researchers to handle, although some types of mice and rats can be more difficult to restrain than others.
Most of the mice and rats used in medical trials are inbred so that, other than sex differences, they are almost identical genetically. This helps make the results of medical trials more uniform, according to the National Human Genome Research Institute. As a minimum requirement, mice used in experiments must be of the same purebred species.
Another reason http://myhealthnewsdaily.com/obese-women-infertilty-insulin-pituitary-gland-100907-0332/ in medical testing is that their genetic, biological and behavior characteristics closely resemble those of humans, and many symptoms of human conditions can be replicated in mice and rats. "Rats and mice are mammals that share many processes with humans and are appropriate for use to answer many research questions," said Jenny Haliski, a representative for the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Office of Laboratory Animal Welfare.
Over the last two decades, those similarities have become even stronger. Scientists can now breed genetically-altered mice called "transgenic mice" that carry genes that are similar to those that cause human diseases. Likewise, select genes can be turned off or made inactive, creating "knockout mice," which can be used to evaluate the effects of cancer-causing chemicals (carcinogens) and assess drug safety, according to the FBR.
Rodents also make efficient research animals because their anatomy, physiology and genetics are well-understood by researchers, making it easier to tell what changes in the mice's behaviors or characteristics are caused by.
Some rodents, called SCID (severe combined immune deficiency) mice, are naturally born without immune systems and can therefore serve as models for normal and malignant human tissue research , according to the FBR.
Some examples of human disorders and diseases for which mice and rats are used as models include:
Hypertension
Diabetes
Cataracts
Obesity
Seizures
Respiratory problems
Deafness
Parkinson's disease
Alzheimer's disease
Cancer
Cystic fibrosis
HIV and AIDs
Heart disease
Muscular dystrophy
Spinal cord injuries
Mice are also used in behavioral, sensory, aging, nutrition and genetic studies, as well as testing anti-craving medication that could potentially end drug addiction .
"Using animals in research is critical to scientific understanding of biomedical systems leading to useful drugs, therapies and cures," Haliski told Life's Little Mysteries.
http://www.livescience.com/32860-why-do-medical-researchers-use-mice.html
From formulating new cancer drugs to testing dietary supplements, mice and rats play a critical role in developing new medical wonders. In fact, 95 percent of all lab animals are mice and rats, according to the Foundation for Biomedical Research (FBR).
Scientists and researchers rely on mice and rats for several reasons. One is convenience: rodents are small, easily housed and maintained, and adapt well to new surroundings. They also reproduce quickly and have a short lifespan of two to three years, so several generations of mice can be observed in a relatively short period of time.
Mice and rats are also relatively inexpensive and can be bought in large quantities from commercial producers that breed rodents specifically for research. The rodents are also generally mild-tempered and docile, making them easy for researchers to handle, although some types of mice and rats can be more difficult to restrain than others.
Most of the mice and rats used in medical trials are inbred so that, other than sex differences, they are almost identical genetically. This helps make the results of medical trials more uniform, according to the National Human Genome Research Institute. As a minimum requirement, mice used in experiments must be of the same purebred species.
Another reason http://myhealthnewsdaily.com/obese-women-infertilty-insulin-pituitary-gland-100907-0332/ in medical testing is that their genetic, biological and behavior characteristics closely resemble those of humans, and many symptoms of human conditions can be replicated in mice and rats. "Rats and mice are mammals that share many processes with humans and are appropriate for use to answer many research questions," said Jenny Haliski, a representative for the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Office of Laboratory Animal Welfare.
Over the last two decades, those similarities have become even stronger. Scientists can now breed genetically-altered mice called "transgenic mice" that carry genes that are similar to those that cause human diseases. Likewise, select genes can be turned off or made inactive, creating "knockout mice," which can be used to evaluate the effects of cancer-causing chemicals (carcinogens) and assess drug safety, according to the FBR.
Rodents also make efficient research animals because their anatomy, physiology and genetics are well-understood by researchers, making it easier to tell what changes in the mice's behaviors or characteristics are caused by.
Some rodents, called SCID (severe combined immune deficiency) mice, are naturally born without immune systems and can therefore serve as models for normal and malignant human tissue research , according to the FBR.
Some examples of human disorders and diseases for which mice and rats are used as models include:
Hypertension
Diabetes
Cataracts
Obesity
Seizures
Respiratory problems
Deafness
Parkinson's disease
Alzheimer's disease
Cancer
Cystic fibrosis
HIV and AIDs
Heart disease
Muscular dystrophy
Spinal cord injuries
Mice are also used in behavioral, sensory, aging, nutrition and genetic studies, as well as testing anti-craving medication that could potentially end drug addiction .
"Using animals in research is critical to scientific understanding of biomedical systems leading to useful drugs, therapies and cures," Haliski told Life's Little Mysteries.
Sworder
Member
I call it exposing a narcissistic bullshit artists that posts wrong and dangerous information.
That ^^^^ sums up both the content of your argument, and your reaction to losing it, all in one post. Bravo!
Sworder
Member
It's dangerous to claim that SERMs lower GH? HAHAHA, here it goes. This is why you never CLAIM anything because your fingers type faster than your brain. You should stick to just saying "NO."
There is no argument, you are just saying "NO NO NO." Now you actually did state that I am posting dangerous information. So can you please further explain how the information I posted in this thread is dangerous? The frontload or the suppressing GH?
Stick to just saying "NO." Awaiting your response in regard to my "dangerous" advice. This is fun
To the people reading this is probably thinking: WTF are these idiots going on about. The thread was closed long ago
Serpent
Member
I had pubertal gyno as well, just got the surgery and it's time for a heavy cycle. I've heard that after surgery AI's aren't required but my doctor says reoccurrence is possible. Could I get some input? Don't mean to hijack
Sworder
Member
Well it's not healthy to have a huge excess in E2 so use an AI if your e2 gets too high. E2 control isn't just for gyno. It's not possible IF they did a good job in removing ALL glandular tissue.
You aren't hijacking anything, it's a stupid back and forth me and CBS have every time I post.
CBS: It was actually 2 posts, not "all in one post."
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Did I say your claim that SERMs lower GH was dangerous? No I did not. However, telling people that they "don't have an infection" when you're not qualified to make that determination, and, that the risk of bacterial contamination in water-based AAS isn't a concern, most certainly is dangerous advice.
No, the people reading this thread are thinking you're a FOS clown that keeps posting after getting his ass handed to him.
Go away, Sworder. It's so easy to expose your BS that it's not fun anymore. Walmart pharmacies need cashiers and you need a job. Go apply.
Sworder
Member
Why did you claim my posts are dangerous in this thread? Also, the OP didn't have an infection. If he would have gone to the Doctor the doc would have prescribed antibiotics 'cuz they are idiots.
Bacterial proliferation not contamination was the discussion. And BA keeps the proliferation from happening in aqueous solutions so you argument is?
Need I say that is was OP's first time experiencing PIP? It is easily confused with infection and symptoms are similar besides those I outlined in that thread.
I don't need to explain my business and if I would it would just seem as if I am trying to make myself out to be somebody when I want to be a nobody. Consider me unemployed if you want to. Living in Mommy's basement or something. I have nothing to prove to you nor do I want to.
I am outta here, leaving like a dog with his tail between his legs. Embarrassed, ashamed, inept, undeniably stupid and narcissistically dangerous while plaguing the forum with dumbfounded advice and studies. Unable to "hold his own" against the great CBS whom's strong and muscular fingers type out my demise as if every stroke of the keyboard sends .50 cal BMG rounds penetrating my skull. Relentlessly bashing on poor Sworder leaving him with no option but to disconnect from the internet and humble himself on his existence while contemplating the justification for his life and the effect it has on others.
Shine on CBS, show us your most muscular pose while telling tales of your brute strength and street smarts while being highly educated in the pharmacology of anabolic androgenic steroids and application to the average AAS user.
Until I come on the forum again, I hope you have a good time rolling in your Rolls Royce phantom while popping bottles fucking bitches like a bull/lion/great white monstrosity captivated in the form on a human. Farewell
Serpent
Member
Not taking sides but holy fuckin' lolWhy did you claim my posts are dangerous in this thread? Also, the OP didn't have an infection. If he would have gone to the Doctor the doc would have prescribed antibiotics 'cuz they are idiots.
Bacterial proliferation not contamination was the discussion. And BA keeps the proliferation from happening in aqueous solutions so you argument is?
Need I say that is was OP's first time experiencing PIP? It is easily confused with infection and symptoms are similar besides those I outlined in that thread.
I don't need to explain my business and if I would it would just seem as if I am trying to make myself out to be somebody when I want to be a nobody. Consider me unemployed if you want to. Living in Mommy's basement or something. I have nothing to prove to you nor do I want to.
I am outta here, leaving like a dog with his tail between his legs. Embarrassed, ashamed, inept, undeniably stupid and narcissistically dangerous while plaguing the forum with dumbfounded advice and studies. Unable to "hold his own" against the great CBS whom's strong and muscular fingers type out my demise as if every stroke of the keyboard sends .50 cal BMG rounds penetrating my skull. Relentlessly bashing on poor Sworder leaving him with no option but to disconnect from the internet and humble himself on his existence while contemplating the justification for his life and the effect it has on others.
Shine on CBS, show us your most muscular pose while telling tales of your brute strength and street smarts while being highly educated in the pharmacology of anabolic androgenic steroids and application to the average AAS user.
Until I come on the forum again, I hope you have a good time rolling in your Rolls Royce phantom while popping bottles fucking bitches like a bull/lion/great white monstrosity captivated in the form on a human. Farewell
