Aside from a waste of your PCT drugs, is there any harm in starting PCT too soon? Obviously starting it too late is a major concern, being that you'll be experiencing very low test levels. But what happens if you start too soon? i.e. 1 week after last shot instead of the normal 2 for enanthate/cypionate. I'm speaking with regards to a Nolva and/or Clomid PCT. Any harm, or just a waste?
MESO-Rx
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Starting PCT too soon
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Dude, I'm kind of over my head on this one but here are my impressions. One, maybe E rebound can be an issue? I'm thinking as T levels decline, and with the Nolva working from wk 1 at relatively high doses, maybe E would get suppressed at a really high rate? But then with the Nolva taper maybe this isnt a concern....so that brings up the fact that you would be running Nolva for about two months, right? So then I would be concerned about that, since Nolva is pretty toxic after all...also, it just seems like the serm at high doses and the aas would be kinda working at cross purposes for a few weeks....IDK man, just seems like re-inventing the wheel, ya know?
And for the record, I havent even opened the cock pushup thread....not that theres anything wroooong with that sort of thing
And for the record, I havent even opened the cock pushup thread....not that theres anything wroooong with that sort of thing
No, I'd still only be running about the same 4 weeks as normal. 40/40/20/20 and maybe a 10 on the 5th week. So even then, it's only a total of 5 weeks.
Reason I'm even asking is, I had a leftover bottle of Enanthate that I always suspected was either severely underdosed, or just plain oil. Instead of just toss it (like I should have) I decided to throw it in at the end of my cycle. So, the last 2 weeks worth of shots were from the suspect vial. If that's the case, and I wait the standard 2 weeks to start, I might actually be waiting 4 weeks. No good. I'd rather start now, and potentially be starting with an overlap of the last week or so of test. Make sense?
Reason I'm even asking is, I had a leftover bottle of Enanthate that I always suspected was either severely underdosed, or just plain oil. Instead of just toss it (like I should have) I decided to throw it in at the end of my cycle. So, the last 2 weeks worth of shots were from the suspect vial. If that's the case, and I wait the standard 2 weeks to start, I might actually be waiting 4 weeks. No good. I'd rather start now, and potentially be starting with an overlap of the last week or so of test. Make sense?
Meathead27
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It would be completely pointless. You'll still have supraphysiological levels of test circulating in your blood so restarting your HPTA won't be possible. To my knowledge, clomid and nolva aren't an effective PCT on their own anyway. You'll need hCG. And if you began administering large doses while the test is still in your system you'll most likely desensitize your leydig cells to luteinizing hormone. This would present a major problem.
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Meathead27
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Guys have been running succesful PCT's a LOOOONG time without HCG. It helps, definitely,but it is not a necessity. Hell, I've done it myself
Have you gotten blood work to confirm? Your body will eventually normalize on its own. That doesnt mean the nolva or clomid offered any assistance in that.
Stretch
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This is a quote from Dr. Scally
It is regarding HCG use, but he talks about the time in which SERMs will be the most effective. You can read the whole thread all the knowledge you need is there.
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134287449
It is regarding HCG use, but he talks about the time in which SERMs will be the most effective. You can read the whole thread all the knowledge you need is there.
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134287449
Yes I have. Do you seriously think people havent had successful PCT's without HCG? And no shit your body will (hopefully) normalize eventually. Think about it man, alot of people have been at this alot longer than you have, and there's more than one way to skin a cat
Meathead27
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If by "successful PCT" without hCG, you mean successful restoration of the HPTA while maintaining anabolic improvements? No, after reading Dr. Scally's posts, I do not. However, I used to be of the same mind as you on the matter.
Wow. So you read all about it on the internet, so there must not be ANY other way to do it EVER? Not saying Scally's method isnt a damn good way to do it....I plan on following his plan for my next PCT...but c'mon man. Seriously? I can tell you that I have bona fide recovered completely without ANY HCG
Wow, I'm a freak of nature No disrespect man, but you are taking yourself way too seriously. There really is more to life than what you read on this forum. I have actually experienced full recovery by a couple of different methods and using different compounds and combinations, like I said, all in my quest to find out how my body responds. I appreciate the guidance and advice from guys who have actually done things, and from folks who have more, shall we say...theoretical knowledge of a subject? Its all good. I just shy away from absolutes, you know? There are stranger things on heaven and earth and all that shakesperean shit, right?
Peace bro!
PITBUL
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you can start hcg at 250iu daily right now and it works great.Ibeen doing it for years.If you wait for your body to normalize you will lose everything..dont take advice from MeatHead i think he is a bigest hater on this board.
Meathead27
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Why does it matter if the source is online? Everything is online these days. I'm also currently reading Dr. Scally's book and it's extremely fascinating read about anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism.
Not saying Scally's method isnt a damn good way to do it....I plan on following his plan for my next PCT...but c'mon man. Seriously? I can tell you that I have bona fide recovered completely without ANY HCG
I never said you wouldn't recover naturally without it. Of course you will. I'm saying you will definitely lose a larger percentage of the anabolic improvements made on cycle if you dont employ it.
I have actually read quite a few books on the subject(which I thought I should mention since you seem to condsider hard copy sources to be "more" legitimate.)
If you truly have, then more power to you. This isn't a bad approach to take.
To be honest, I generally put a lot of stake in anecdotal evidence as well. However, I have changed my opinion on the matter because of the information provided by Dr. Scally. I was just presenting my current thoughts on the subject.
Like I have said previously, I wouldn't recommend taking advice from someone that looks like a jersey shore reject.
Who knew The Situation had such fragile feelings
You are the only member I have singled out, purely because of your ridiculous behavior on the forum. You contribute nothing, while ridiculing others seeking legitimate advice. You are a disease infecting the steroid community, and are the reason we have such a bad name.Sean Taylor
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^^^^ that was rude. talk about side effects...
- Altered mood, irritability, increased aggression
Recovery can occur with no meds or any combination! However, the best chance for recovery is the proper timing and use of hCG and SERM/AI. The biggest mistake made that results in hypogonadism is starting PCT too soon.
Sean Taylor
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@Michael Scally MD what about HGH can it help restart the HPTA axis?
Why it results in hypogonadism? Because the serms don't work and so you don't recover? Or because starting to soon can give you hypogonadism from how the serms interact with your body still with test level to high?
Or stopping too soon.......
