Starting test c

[accidentaljedi173]

Age:31
Height:6'3"
Weight:215-220

Currently I want to start with a test only approach. I believe I already have low t, I'm waiting on blood results to figure that out. If my test is low I plan to get on the appropriate amount of test c to get me to the higher side of normal levels. I'd basically maintain that forever and would blast to higher levels a couple times a year.

If my levels come back normal I plan to still go on test c. I would start at 200-250mg a week pinning 3 times a week. The purpose to see how I respond before I jump into higher amounts. I'm not really concerned with pct as I don't plan to ever come off fully. I've accepted that this will end up being my fate in this avenue anyways. Im not concerned with fertility as I already have 2 daughters and a vasectomy.

My over all direction is to increase my size a bit and perform better in the gym and life. As I'm already struggling to "keep it up" and have zero progress or changes in the gym. I feel like my body has regressed as I approached 30 even though I've maintained a good workout schedule. With acceptions to time off due to injuries recently.

With this being my direction I have a few questions:

Will Ai be necessary at all with these levels?
If so what would you recommend?

I'm currently on an ace inhibitor, will this effect anything?

Should I still have clomid and nolvadex on hand?

I'm sorry if this seems naive, I just want to make sure everything is dialed before I commit to a year supply of test c.

 

[guyfawkes1010]

Ok well you probably don't want to start at 200-250 a week without even knowing how your body reacts to test.

I recommend, and I'm no expert of Dr, starting low, ESPECIALLY, if you're really low test. Your body is nor used to test. Even starting out at 80mg/week. And at 200-250mg/week you may aromatize a lot. Maybe not at all but you won't know till you do bloods.

 

[Testisthebest15]

Age:31
Height:6'3"
Weight:215-220

Currently I want to start with a test only approach. I believe I already have low t, I'm waiting on blood results to figure that out. If my test is low I plan to get on the appropriate amount of test c to get me to the higher side of normal levels. I'd basically maintain that forever and would blast to higher levels a couple times a year.

If my levels come back normal I plan to still go on test c. I would start at 200-250mg a week pinning 3 times a week. The purpose to see how I respond before I jump into higher amounts. I'm not really concerned with pct as I don't plan to ever come off fully. I've accepted that this will end up being my fate in this avenue anyways. Im not concerned with fertility as I already have 2 daughters and a vasectomy.

My over all direction is to increase my size a bit and perform better in the gym and life. As I'm already struggling to "keep it up" and have zero progress or changes in the gym. I feel like my body has regressed as I approached 30 even though I've maintained a good workout schedule. With acceptions to time off due to injuries recently.

With this being my direction I have a few questions:

Will Ai be necessary at all with these levels?
If so what would you recommend?

I'm currently on an ace inhibitor, will this effect anything?

Should I still have clomid and nolvadex on hand?

I'm sorry if this seems naive, I just want to make sure everything is dialed before I commit to a year supply of test c.

Not sure what an ace inhibitor but there’s not a lot medications that I know of that will conflict with test being that’s it’s naturally occurring in your body.

I ALWAYS keep an AI (aromasin or adex), a SERM (ralox or nolvadex), and to jump start things clomid and/or Hcg. I prefer Hcg. You can literally get all of these dirt cheap from 24/7 pct or dash. Even if you don’t plan on needing them, plans change.

When I run 200mg of test I don’t typically need an AI but everybody is different.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Ok well you probably don't want to start at 200-250 a week without even knowing how your body reacts to test.

I recommend, and I'm no expert of Dr, starting low, ESPECIALLY, if you're really low test. Your body is nor used to test. Even starting out at 80mg/week. And at 200-250mg/week you may aromatize a lot. Maybe not at all but you won't know till you do bloods.

I'm hoping to have my bloods back soon and go from there. This plan isn't concrete but more of a rough draft to make sure my research is on point or if j need to do a lot more.

 

[Michael Gary Scott]

Ok well you probably don't want to start at 200-250 a week without even knowing how your body reacts to test.

I recommend, and I'm no expert of Dr, starting low, ESPECIALLY, if you're really low test. Your body is nor used to test. Even starting out at 80mg/week. And at 200-250mg/week you may aromatize a lot. Maybe not at all but you won't know till you do bloods.

Crap advice. Don't know how his body will respond to the primary male hormone...body not used to test. Please quit giving advice here. Seriously.

Edit: You're the guy who asked Stan about his vial caps turning and he said they were fine. Yet you still apparently don't believe him and now wasting time and money filtering them. You're wet behind the ears to this

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Not sure what an ace inhibitor but there’s not a lot medications that I know of that will conflict with test being that’s it’s naturally occurring in your body.

I ALWAYS keep an AI (aromasin or adex), a SERM (ralox or nolvadex), and to jump start things clomid and/or Hcg. I prefer Hcg. You can literally get all of these dirt cheap from 24/7 pct or dash. Even if you don’t plan on needing them, plans change.

When I run 200mg of test I don’t typically need an AI but everybody is different.

Ace inhibitor is for my blood pressure, I have a bicuspid aortic valve. I can't imagine it would effect anything I just want to double check before I become a hyper tensive crisis patient.

I was planning on keeping nolvadex, clomid and aromasin on hand. I was a bit hesitant on hcg since I'm not planning to ever come off for the most part.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Crap advice. Don't know how his body will respond to the primary male hormone...body not used to test. Please quit giving advice here. Seriously.

Edit: You're the guy who asked Stan about his vial caps turning and he said they were fine. Yet you still apparently don't believe him and now wasting time and money filtering them. You're wet behind the ears to this

Lowest I've heard of is 125mg. And I doubt I'm zeroed for t levels. So idk if I'd ever go as low as 80mg, sounds like a good way to pay for low t. 200mg seems to be a butter zone for most people.

 

[guyfawkes1010]

Crap advice. Don't know how his body will respond to the primary male hormone...body not used to test. Please quit giving advice here. Seriously.

Edit: You're the guy who asked Stan about his vial caps turning and he said they were fine. Yet you still apparently don't believe him and now wasting time and money filtering them. You're wet behind the ears to this

Alright you stupid cunt since you want to come at me I will return the favor.

You can't and shouldnt throw someone with historically low t on a damn near supraphysiological dose of test. Find me one real Dr (urologist of Endo) that would do that. There is a reason every single fucking Dr starts at a lower dose.

Just because you're addicted to pinning needles into you just the way you like taking cock in the ass doesn't mean everyone should. Not everyone here is trying to make up for there body dismorphia.

And you don't have all the facts behind those vials and has nothing to do with anything. But safety, something your stupid ass cant, CLEARLY, comprehend is well worth 'wasting money'. I'm sorry you're a broke bitch and can't afford a few dollars in med supplies.


Stay the fuck out of my posts bitch.

 

[guyfawkes1010]

Lowest I've heard of is 125mg. And I doubt I'm zeroed for t levels. So idk if I'd ever go as low as 80mg, sounds like a good way to pay for low t. 200mg seems to be a butter zone for most people.

125 a week is the lowest you've heard of for someone just starting out with no lab results?

First time I started trt I was started on 200mg every two weeks. Which would be 100mg a week. With that protocol alone my test shot up to almost 800ng/dl. And had problems with high estrogen and high hematocrit and rbc, Imagine if I had started on 200mg a week.

This time I've been started on 100mg a week and in just a few weeks went from 48 to 52 hematocrit. Just gave blood to reduce it.

Not everyone is the same and/or reacts to test the same. It's irresponsible to just throw 200mg a week at someone whose never used it before. Only dumb shit 'trt clinics' who only give a shit about $ do that.

 

[Michael Gary Scott]

Alright you stupid cunt since you want to come at me I will return the favor.

You can't and shouldnt throw someone with historically low t on a damn near supraphysiological dose of test. Find me one real Dr (urologist of Endo) that would do that. There is a reason every single fucking Dr starts at a lower dose.

Just because you're addicted to pinning needles into you just the way you like taking cock in the ass doesn't mean everyone should. Not everyone here is trying to make up for there body dismorphia.

And you don't have all the facts behind those vials and has nothing to do with anything. But safety, something your stupid ass cant, CLEARLY, comprehend is well worth 'wasting money'. I'm sorry you're a broke bitch and can't afford a few dollars in med supplies.


Stay the fuck out of my posts bitch.

You got triggered pretty easy there, must have hit a nerve. Resorting to nothing but insults shows just how much of an immature baby you are. Grow up.

Nowhere did I suggest putting him on a blast. Just that your comments are as much of a joke as you are.

 

[guyfawkes1010]

You got triggered pretty easy there, must have hit a nerve. Resorting to nothing but insults shows just how much of an immature baby you are. Grow up.

Nowhere did I suggest putting him on a blast. Just that your comments are as much of a joke as you are.

Triggered? No that's the kind of language from weak people use. Not surprised coming from you from someone I didn't know even existed until today, despite you weirdly following my posts.

I'm not triggered I'm returning the same energy you tried throwing at me in a sneaky low life passive aggressive type of way. And I already proved who the joke here is.

And I already proved with my own experience why you would be stupid to just throw someone on 200+ mg a week would be when you don't know how their body will react.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

125 a week is the lowest you've heard of for someone just starting out with no lab results?

First time I started trt I was started on 200mg every two weeks. Which would be 100mg a week. With that protocol alone my test shot up to almost 800ng/dl. And had problems with high estrogen and high hematocrit and rbc, Imagine if I had started on 200mg a week.

This time I've been started on 100mg a week and in just a few weeks went from 48 to 52 hematocrit. Just gave blood to reduce it.

Not everyone is the same and/or reacts to test the same. It's irresponsible to just throw 200mg a week at someone whose never used it before. Only dumb shit 'trt clinics' who only give a shit about $ do that.

Wasn't trying to say your wrong. Ive been looking into this for over a year now. I've been rammed with nothing but start out on a 500mg blast or your wasting your first cycle. I'm trying to avoid that and honestly am going to establish what I'm going to do by what my bloods say. Which if my t levels aren't low(which I doubt they aren't) then would 200mg still be too generous of an initial cycle?

 

[VenomYo]

Get some anavar too.
But if you do run test solo then 500mg is minimum.. because 250mg is like barely above a trt replacement dose, and are you really going to inject yourself and give up your testicles just to get like 15% better results than you did as a natty? No I don't think so hombre.

500mg T + anavar + arimidex or some other AI who cares. Let's go.

 

[guyfawkes1010]

Wasn't trying to say your wrong. Ive been looking into this for over a year now. I've been rammed with nothing but start out on a 500mg blast or your wasting your first cycle. I'm trying to avoid that and honestly am going to establish what I'm going to do by what my bloods say. Which if my t levels aren't low(which I doubt they aren't) then would 200mg still be too generous of an initial cycle?

These people don't care about you or your health. They don't know you or would care if something bad happened to you as a result of their advice.

Theres a lot of knowledgeable people on here but be careful.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

These people don't care about you or your health. They don't know you or would care if something bad happened to you as a result of their advice.

Theres a lot of knowledgeable people on here but be careful.

It's hard to navigate the forum lol

 

[LSDPowerlifting]

I'd just take 120mg and get a years worth of slow, continuous gains and then do a 500mg blast.

Gaining for 15 months straight is good. Or would you rather gain for 3 months and then go backwards?

 

[Stamkos]

Lowest I've heard of is 125mg. And I doubt I'm zeroed for t levels. So idk if I'd ever go as low as 80mg, sounds like a good way to pay for low t. 200mg seems to be a butter zone for most people.

If you are trying to get to the higher side of normal then 200mg of test a week is too much imo. I would aim for around 100mg a week. That should raise your test levels quite a bit if you are on the low end.
The avg healthy male produces between 5-7mg a day. This is a healthy male that has normal testosterone levels.

 

[hp15]

Age:31
Height:6'3"
Weight:215-220

Currently I want to start with a test only approach. I believe I already have low t, I'm waiting on blood results to figure that out. If my test is low I plan to get on the appropriate amount of test c to get me to the higher side of normal levels. I'd basically maintain that forever and would blast to higher levels a couple times a year.

If my levels come back normal I plan to still go on test c. I would start at 200-250mg a week pinning 3 times a week. The purpose to see how I respond before I jump into higher amounts. I'm not really concerned with pct as I don't plan to ever come off fully. I've accepted that this will end up being my fate in this avenue anyways. Im not concerned with fertility as I already have 2 daughters and a vasectomy.

My over all direction is to increase my size a bit and perform better in the gym and life. As I'm already struggling to "keep it up" and have zero progress or changes in the gym. I feel like my body has regressed as I approached 30 even though I've maintained a good workout schedule. With acceptions to time off due to injuries recently.

With this being my direction I have a few questions:

Will Ai be necessary at all with these levels? Maybe, slowly bump up dose to avoid/minimize AI use.
If so what would you recommend? Depends on blood test results/effects felt, but small dose aromasin 1-3x a week would be a good starting point. Don’t nuke your estrogen - you need it to grow.

I'm currently on an ace inhibitor, will this effect anything? Idk lol, do more research and/or talk to your doctor.

Should I still have clomid and nolvadex on hand? Nolva can be helpful on cycle (like if you start to develop gyno, but starting low with test will help mitigate that). I personally do not like clomid.

I'm sorry if this seems naive, I just want to make sure everything is dialed before I commit to a year supply of test c.

Besides a general recommendation to take another look at diet/routine/sleep… see answers in bold.

 

[Badandy]

I'd just take 120mg and get a years worth of slow, continuous gains and then do a 500mg blast.

Gaining for 15 months straight is good. Or would you rather gain for 3 months and then go backwards?

This. I’ve been on trt for 3 years. Started at 100mg a week. Then a year later 150. Now 200. Have two years worth of labs, blood pressure. And personal notes to see how my body feels. My total t is 1100 and free t double. When I get older and to not wanting to be on sports trt. I’ll know what dose to go down to.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

This. I’ve been on trt for 3 years. Started at 100mg a week. Then a year later 150. Now 200. Have two years worth of labs, blood pressure. And personal notes to see how my body feels. My total t is 1100 and free t double. When I get older and to not wanting to be on sports trt. I’ll know what dose to go down to.

What's the typical cost for you? Do you buy in bulk for home use or do you go to a clinic?