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Starting TRT. Qs about microdosing and Pregnenolone+DHEA

blue_dragon

blue_dragon

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Hello guys. How are you doing.

I am starting self-prescribed TRT from next week.

I am 37. I did blood test two weeks ago and total T was 310 and free T was 9.1
They are within 'normal' range but I know my test level is not at its optimal level, thus starting
TRT.

My TRT Protocol
Testosterone Enanthate 25mg ED(175mg per week) (Subq Injection)
HCG 500IU two times a week (Monday, Thursday)
Pregnenolone 30mg ED (In the morning)
DHEA 25mg ED

My Question
Q1. As you can see from my TRT protocol above, I am microdosing test enanthate (25mg ED)
The reason I am planning to do in this manner is more stable level throughout the whole week.

[I plotted this image at http://www.steroidcalc.com (SteroidGraph - Graph your cycle)]


The first image is @25mg ED. It takes some time to reach a certain level, but once it gets there, there is hardly any fluctuation.
Graph1.JPG

The second image is @175mg one injection per week.
Graph2.JPG

If I had to do intramuscular injection every day, I wouldn't do it. I would just stick to the 175mg one time a week injection protocol.
But, I will implement subq injection for my TRT, which makes injection much easier. so I think I could do ED injection with subq.

My question is, if ED injection with subq method does not bother me, do you guys think 25mg ED injection is worth doing, considering the graph above ?

Q2. Pregnenolone, DHEA
I watched a podcast where a doctor talks about pregenolone and DHEA on TRT.
Is any meso member on TRT taking Pregnenolone and/or DHEA ?


Thank you very much guys. Have a great day.
 
blue_dragon said:
Hello guys. How are you doing.

I am starting self-prescribed TRT from next week.

I am 37. I did blood test two weeks ago and total T was 310 and free T was 9.1
They are within 'normal' range but I know my test level is not at its optimal level, thus starting
TRT.

My TRT Protocol
Testosterone Enanthate 25mg ED(175mg per week) (Subq Injection)
HCG 500IU two times a week (Monday, Thursday)
Pregnenolone 30mg ED (In the morning)
DHEA 25mg ED

My Question
Q1. As you can see from my TRT protocol above, I am microdosing test enanthate (25mg ED)
The reason I am planning to do in this manner is more stable level throughout the whole week.

[I plotted this image at http://www.steroidcalc.com (SteroidGraph - Graph your cycle)]


The first image is @25mg ED. It takes some time to reach a certain level, but once it gets there, there is hardly any fluctuation.
View attachment 93045

The second image is @175mg one injection per week.
View attachment 93046

If I had to do intramuscular injection every day, I wouldn't do it. I would just stick to the 175mg one time a week injection protocol.
But, I will implement subq injection for my TRT, which makes injection much easier. so I think I could do ED injection with subq.

My question is, if ED injection with subq method does not bother me, do you guys think 25mg ED injection is worth doing, considering the graph above ?

Q2. Pregnenolone, DHEA
I watched a podcast where a doctor talks about pregenolone and DHEA on TRT.
Is any meso member on TRT taking Pregnenolone and/or DHEA ?


Thank you very much guys. Have a great day.
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You won’t be able to feel those drastic curves on those graphs that you have. You are going to poke yourself unnecessarily daily for no real reason other than for things to look nice on paper. But you won’t ever feel those fluctuations so it doesn’t matter really.

Most people do 2x per week injections to stable things out. At 2 times per week you won’t feel any fluctuations. I sometimes just do once per week and I only feel a little bit more “energy” on the day after injection. That’s all I feel despite on paper things may look different and my bloodwork verifies everything is just where it should be.

So my take is instead of making things look nice on paper, make things feel nice on your body. Throw those graphs away and try once per week injection. If you feel fluctuations then do 2x per week. If you are really obsessive then do MWF, but even that is kinda silly. Daily? Just absurd...
 
blue_dragon said:
Hello guys. How are you doing.

I am starting self-prescribed TRT from next week.

I am 37. I did blood test two weeks ago and total T was 310 and free T was 9.1
They are within 'normal' range but I know my test level is not at its optimal level, thus starting
TRT.

My TRT Protocol
Testosterone Enanthate 25mg ED(175mg per week) (Subq Injection)
HCG 500IU two times a week (Monday, Thursday)
Pregnenolone 30mg ED (In the morning)
DHEA 25mg ED

My Question
Q1. As you can see from my TRT protocol above, I am microdosing test enanthate (25mg ED)
The reason I am planning to do in this manner is more stable level throughout the whole week.

[I plotted this image at http://www.steroidcalc.com (SteroidGraph - Graph your cycle)]


The first image is @25mg ED. It takes some time to reach a certain level, but once it gets there, there is hardly any fluctuation.
View attachment 93045

The second image is @175mg one injection per week.
View attachment 93046

If I had to do intramuscular injection every day, I wouldn't do it. I would just stick to the 175mg one time a week injection protocol.
But, I will implement subq injection for my TRT, which makes injection much easier. so I think I could do ED injection with subq.

My question is, if ED injection with subq method does not bother me, do you guys think 25mg ED injection is worth doing, considering the graph above ?

Q2. Pregnenolone, DHEA
I watched a podcast where a doctor talks about pregenolone and DHEA on TRT.
Is any meso member on TRT taking Pregnenolone and/or DHEA ?


Thank you very much guys. Have a great day.
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Wow. Just wow. You've manage to take a simple thing and turn it into a mess. Your really that worried about stability in your levels? Go with Nebido testosterone and shoot that once a week. It's normally shot once a month.

Oh and little fun fact for ya. Did you know that your normal testosterone levels are high in the morning and low at night? That's a fluctuation.
 
According to the doc there is room to go up as well but he would prefer staying at my current dose. He has me also on Raloxifene 60mg ed as well. I have been on this for 7 weeks now and have not noticed any e issues. I am on it for being the low end of normal natty test levels. I was hoping he would put me on test but for now this is what he has me on. I have test c from ugl ready to go just waiting for him at some point to draw bloods again first.
 
simplify..


blue_dragon said:
Hello guys. How are you doing.

I am starting self-prescribed TRT from next week.

I am 37. I did blood test two weeks ago and total T was 310 and free T was 9.1
They are within 'normal' range but I know my test level is not at its optimal level, thus starting
TRT.

My TRT Protocol
Testosterone Enanthate 25mg ED(175mg per week) (Subq Injection)
HCG 500IU two times a week (Monday, Thursday)
Pregnenolone 30mg ED (In the morning)
DHEA 25mg ED

My Question
Q1. As you can see from my TRT protocol above, I am microdosing test enanthate (25mg ED)
The reason I am planning to do in this manner is more stable level throughout the whole week.

[I plotted this image at http://www.steroidcalc.com (SteroidGraph - Graph your cycle)]


The first image is @25mg ED. It takes some time to reach a certain level, but once it gets there, there is hardly any fluctuation.
View attachment 93045

The second image is @175mg one injection per week.
View attachment 93046

If I had to do intramuscular injection every day, I wouldn't do it. I would just stick to the 175mg one time a week injection protocol.
But, I will implement subq injection for my TRT, which makes injection much easier. so I think I could do ED injection with subq.

My question is, if ED injection with subq method does not bother me, do you guys think 25mg ED injection is worth doing, considering the graph above ?

Q2. Pregnenolone, DHEA
I watched a podcast where a doctor talks about pregenolone and DHEA on TRT.
Is any meso member on TRT taking Pregnenolone and/or DHEA ?


Thank you very much guys. Have a great day.
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An even better would be doing 5mg 5x a day or better yet get a machine that is providing a constant infusion every second of the day.
 
Btcowboy said:
According to the doc there is room to go up as well but he would prefer staying at my current dose. He has me also on Raloxifene 60mg ed as well. I have been on this for 7 weeks now and have not noticed any e issues. I am on it for being the low end of normal natty test levels. I was hoping he would put me on test but for now this is what he has me on. I have test c from ugl ready to go just waiting for him at some point to draw bloods again first.
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Oh ok. Im on full trt. I am prescribed cyp, hcg, and adex. My doctor has me on a dose that he says will keep the cosmetic aesthetics well, and keep some function in case wanting children becomes a topic of interest. At that point higher levels of hcg could be used for fertility. I am 38 with no children and never know may want some one day.
 
Sdryx said:
You won’t be able to feel those drastic curves on those graphs that you have. You are going to poke yourself unnecessarily daily for no real reason other than for things to look nice on paper. But you won’t ever feel those fluctuations so it doesn’t matter really.

Most people do 2x per week injections to stable things out. At 2 times per week you won’t feel any fluctuations. I sometimes just do once per week and I only feel a little bit more “energy” on the day after injection. That’s all I feel despite on paper things may look different and my bloodwork verifies everything is just where it should be.

So my take is instead of making things look nice on paper, make things feel nice on your body. Throw those graphs away and try once per week injection. If you feel fluctuations then do 2x per week. If you are really obsessive then do MWF, but even that is kinda silly. Daily? Just absurd...
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Hey Sdryx. Thanks for your advice. I think I will change to 2 times per week protocol. Truly appreciate your help. Have a great day.
 
JohnnyD said:
Those sub q daily injections are going to get old really quick, not to mention when you start getting welts
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Thanks for the reply JohnnyD.
I read a study on subq injection of Test.
Subcutaneous Injection of Testosterone Is an Effective and Preferred Alternative to Intramuscular Injection: Demonstration in Female-to-Male Transg... - PubMed - NCBI

I also watched a video of Dr.Crisler doing subq injection of Test on Youtube.


They are all injecting pharmaceutical grade testosterone enenthate/cypionate with subq method. Test that I have is also pharma grade test enanthate. I wouldn't try to do subq injection with UGL products because I don't fully trust their sterilization.
 
Dr JIM said:
I’d see a physician bc it’s obvious you have no idea what to do and why.

PG and DHEA are both ludicrous
as TRT adjuncts.

Post this Podcast !
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Thanks for the reply Dr Jim.
The following is the podcast that I mentioned. FYI, they start talking about pregnenolone at around 9:00.
 
TRT said:
Wow. Just wow. You've manage to take a simple thing and turn it into a mess. Your really that worried about stability in your levels? Go with Nebido testosterone and shoot that once a week. It's normally shot once a month.

Oh and little fun fact for ya. Did you know that your normal testosterone levels are high in the morning and low at night? That's a fluctuation.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the reply TRT.
I decided to change to two times a week protocol after so many meso members advised against ED protocol. I think I was too obsessed with how numbers would look on paper. Thanks TRT.
 
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