Steroid and drug overreliance

[lukiss96]

Have you ever noticed that people have tendency to rely on something? In this case I'm talking about anabolic steroids and drugs that people make it sound like without tren or some other magic steroid there is nothing...

Well, I don't understand this, I mean I cruise on 150mg sustanon per week and that's it, for a long time I might add, I may not be very "impressive bro" status, but I'm cool with how I look and I still maintain 220 pounds with 12-14% year round. I never say or make statements that X steroid is gonna make me some fantastic creature that everyone will admire. I whatever I take or do, I always strive to do the best I can, it's my responsibility and my actions that make me myself, not some drug, it can help sure and it does, but it doesn't make me or break me! I'm stronger than this and I can push myself enough with or without drugs!

Now tell me why are there bunch of you who let yourselves become lazy and careless and then make statements like "oh wait till I hop on tren" after this cut/bulk/whatever that's what counts, I will become this and that, now it just got out of hand, but wait till I do my tren cycle bros!

Unfortunately, I think it's laziness and lack of will power and responsibility from you nothing else. If you can't get your shit together on "just cruise" then you are not serious and like I call it you just fuck around most of the year and only manage to get your shit together during summer months on X steroid and you're dependent on it.
Deal with it.

So who gave you the right to become lazy bear during your "off" or "cruise" time?

Only you did, if that's all you got, then you are weak minded person.



P.S I'm not talking about everyone, but if you got offended then it's about your type
exactly. If you're smart enough you will understand.

 

[MFAAS]

People are just lazy. That's all. They want to look good and as soon as they do they let up of the gas because they're like "cool I made it I can rest now" I think that's it.

 

[eery]

People are just lazy. That's all. They want to look good and as soon as they do they let up of the gas because they're like "cool I made it I can rest now" I think that's it.

^Pretty much. Most people are lazy and think they can use drugs as a crutch.

 

[Type-IIx]

Sure these people absolutely exist (and may even be in the majority). From the extreme of "I don't bother to 'workout' or eat properly until I'm on gear" to "I find that I have greater training motivation and dietary adherence on gear than without."

I believe that innate motivation with respect to training planning and nutrition should basically be the same on drugs as without. This does not mean you cannot more aggressively restrict intake on vs. off (e.g., differences of degrees can exist, but by applying the same overarching plan or approach), or manage greater workloads (increased volume and intensity concurrently).

I believe that guys who feel anxiety and loss of motivation by cessation from high doses (stopping a blast; but without becoming hypogonadal) are psychologically dependent on androgens.

Yes, some androgens are particularly "activating" (e.g., Proviron) - these should be avoided for those with addictive tendencies.

 

[Jabbathehutt]

There's a simple explanation for that. Injecting something in your body is easy. Training and eating right is hard.

 

[Slowww]

There's a simple explanation for that. Injecting something in your body is easy. Training and eating right is hard.

Idk man imo pinning is the worst, training is fun and eating healthy food feels good despite not being 5 star Michelin fucking chef Guy Fieri. But god damn it is not fun feeling like pinhead on blast. I could 100% do without having trouble tying my shoes after injecting too fast or hurting my god damned ass when I sit in a fucking car.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Idk man imo pinning is the worst, training is fun and eating healthy food feels good despite not being 5 star Michelin fucking chef Guy Fieri. But god damn it is not fun feeling like pinhead on blast. I could 100% do without having trouble tying my shoes after injecting too fast or hurting my god damned ass when I sit in a fucking car.

I’m on board with this.

I fucking hate pinning most of the time. It isn’t a bit deal with my TRT but on cycle i am miserable by the end of it. Being sore from pinning and beating my ass into the ground training gets old quick.

Love it at the same time though. I could go without the pip from bad injections. That feeling When you get a bad one, warm it up at the gym it feels better, you cool down after the gym and you can’t fucking move…

 

[theotherguy]

People as a whole have a tendency to take the path of least resistance, or the easy route. Those that choose the harder route because they know it’ll set them apart or make them better are the minority.

And then you have some people that choose the hard route simply for the same of being hard and making yourself harder to kill. Those people are rare, but they’re gems and the best people to have on your side when shit hits the fan. They’re also really hard to tolerate sometimes, and can be insufferable, but they are my favorite people.

 

[Highly ecto]

Have you ever noticed that people have tendency to rely on something? In this case I'm talking about anabolic steroids and drugs that people make it sound like without tren or some other magic steroid there is nothing...

Well, I don't understand this, I mean I cruise on 150mg sustanon per week and that's it, for a long time I might add, I may not be very "impressive bro" status, but I'm cool with how I look and I still maintain 220 pounds with 12-14% year round. I never say or make statements that X steroid is gonna make me some fantastic creature that everyone will admire. I whatever I take or do, I always strive to do the best I can, it's my responsibility and my actions that make me myself, not some drug, it can help sure and it does, but it doesn't make me or break me! I'm stronger than this and I can push myself enough with or without drugs!

Now tell me why are there bunch of you who let yourselves become lazy and careless and then make statements like "oh wait till I hop on tren" after this cut/bulk/whatever that's what counts, I will become this and that, now it just got out of hand, but wait till I do my tren cycle bros!

Unfortunately, I think it's laziness and lack of will power and responsibility from you nothing else. If you can't get your shit together on "just cruise" then you are not serious and like I call it you just fuck around most of the year and only manage to get your shit together during summer months on X steroid and you're dependent on it.
Deal with it.

So who gave you the right to become lazy bear during your "off" or "cruise" time?

Only you did, if that's all you got, then you are weak minded person.



P.S I'm not talking about everyone, but if you got offended then it's about your type
exactly. If you're smart enough you will understand.

lf you wan't to be fair dinkum about this, everyone that uses steroids in the first place when they don't have low natural test, is showing some sort of weakness or laziness. They are basically looking for the easy way out and admitting they can't achieve the results they want without gear.

 

[lukiss96]

lf you wan't to be fair dinkum about this, everyone that uses steroids in the first place when they don't have low natural test, is showing some sort of weakness or laziness. They are basically looking for the easy way out and admitting they can't achieve the results they want without gear.

If you're talking about me, then I don't use steroids because I'm "weak" rather I use them to become the best version of myself. I use but I don't abuse or rely, that's my point. Can't talk for others, but to me it seems like some people just exist till their next cycle when they cruise or off cycle.

 

[Type-IIx]

lf you wan't to be fair dinkum about this, everyone that uses steroids in the first place when they don't have low natural test, is showing some sort of weakness or laziness. They are basically looking for the easy way out and admitting they can't achieve the results they want without gear.

I believe that you're conflating two separate matters: achieving a remarkable physique only possible with PEDs vs. insufficient motivation, discipline, work ethic, etc. to achieve a reasonably attainable physique without drugs.

I believe what you're saying with respect to seeking the easy way out applies to many or even most uses of hormones for performance/physique enhancement in practice. But the fact is that these hormones do allow to break through plateaus (i.e., after the first 1.5 year of well designed & implemented training, +/-, the stimulus of training is relatively weak for further gains) & enhancement to absolute muscle mass levels beyond what is possible naturally.

Recognizing ("admitting") that one cannot achieve the results one wants without gear is not weakness: it's being realistic when one seeks a physique only attainable by the use of hormones.

You might question the sanity of the motive to seek such a physique, but to answer that look to societal imaging, i.e., media sources of "freakish" physiques.

 

[eery]

everyone that uses steroids in the first place when they don't have low natural test, is showing some sort of weakness or laziness. They are basically looking for the easy way out and admitting they can't achieve the results they want without gear.

You have those who use PEDs so they can worker harder and do more and the goals some people have arent achivable without the use of PEDs, so they are a necessity for their goals.

 

[Highly ecto]

If you're talking about me, then I don't use steroids because I'm "weak" rather I use them to become the best version of myself. I use but I don't abuse or rely, that's my point. Can't talk for others, but to me it seems like some people just exist till their next cycle when they cruise or off cycle.

l should have used the word 'we' not 'you' because l wasn't trying to have a go at you personally, l am sorry if l offended you. l was trying to make a point that achieving a great physique takes real commitment to diet and training to succeed. If 2 people have healthy levels of natural test, 1 chooses the steroid route, he still has to be committed to diet and training to succeed, but the guy staying natural has to have a whole new level of commitment to his diet, training and recovery to achieve the same results. So isn't the guy taking the steroids sought of relying on them and taking the easy way out. l am talking about the average person, not Pro bodybuilders because no amount of commitment by the natty guy will compete with them.

 

[Highly ecto]

I believe that you're conflating two separate matters: achieving a remarkable physique only possible with PEDs vs. insufficient motivation, discipline, work ethic, etc. to achieve a reasonably attainable physique without drugs.

I believe what you're saying with respect to seeking the easy way out applies to many or even most uses of hormones for performance/physique enhancement in practice. But the fact is that these hormones do allow to break through plateaus (i.e., after the first 1.5 year of well designed & implemented training, +/-, the stimulus of training is relatively weak for further gains) & enhancement to absolute muscle mass levels beyond what is possible naturally.

Recognizing ("admitting") that one cannot achieve the results one wants without gear is not weakness: it's being realistic when one seeks a physique only attainable by the use of hormones.

You might question the sanity of the motive to seek such a physique, but to answer that look to societal imaging, i.e., media sources of "freakish" physiques.

l will agree l was conflating two separate matters, l was basically trying to make a point that the majority of average steroid users could achieve the same results they have, if they were prepared to be super disciplined to diet, training and recovery. They choose steroids because it makes their results they have much easier to achieve than the natural route.

 

[Highly ecto]

You have those who use PEDs so they can worker harder and do more and the goals some people have arent achivable without the use of PEDs, so they are a necessity for their goals.

Totally agree if you have totally maxed out your natty capabilities and your still not happy with the results, you only have one choice use gear. But in reality do the majority of people choose the harder option and max out their natty capabilities before they hop on gear?
l might be totally wrong, but l think they don't.

 

[Highly ecto]

People as a whole have a tendency to take the path of least resistance, or the easy route. Those that choose the harder route because they know it’ll set them apart or make them better are the minority.

And then you have some people that choose the hard route simply for the same of being hard and making yourself harder to kill. Those people are rare, but they’re gems and the best people to have on your side when shit hits the fan. They’re also really hard to tolerate sometimes, and can be insufferable, but they are my favorite people.

l can attest to this, l have spent my whole 9 years of training with bottom of the range Free Test confirmed by regular blood tests. Not once did l turn to steroids for help. l just ate as clean as l could possibly eat, and trained as hard as l could physically train. Did l achieve elite results No, but l did gain 15-20kg
of muscle in those 9 years and got a fairly good physique. Would l have got better results if l hopped on gear for those 9 years absolutely. l am only choosing the HGH, gear path now because l have a crippling shoulder injury that has kept me from training for the last 10 months.

 

[Rickt]

You have those who use PEDs so they can worker harder and do more and the goals some people have arent achivable without the use of PEDs, so they are a necessity for their goals.

Both ways it is for the same end result. You want something bad enough that you are happy to pay the price. And we all know there is a price. Even the teenager who pretends he never knew gear kills. To make a factory car go faster than the manufacturer intended you have to do some work under the hood. A car and your body both have predetermined limits. Do some work under the hood it becomes less reliable but much faster. The more you push it for power the less reliable it gets. A top fueler dies one run on one engine.. There are exceptions here. But most guys know they void the waranty to push things past the intended limits. But we also decide somewhere along the way when enough is enough. Tens of thousands of guys pin gear. Only a few crash and burn. Some of them were pros who pushed it over the limit. Some just werent made to do gear they crash and burn on a small cycle.
I believe no one is ever completely happy with what they have acchieved physically even the goat said he wanted to be better. But if we can be happy with being better than we were as a natty. It is worth the risk for me.if gear kills me i lived the life i chose.

 

[Live_Evil]

There's a bit of laziness hard engrained into the human genome as a means of self preservation. The path of least resistance is the safest.

I'll be the first to admit that I've fallen into the trap of mediocrity multiple times in my adulthood, but I always drag myself out and get back into the swing of kicking ass. That isn't merely pertaining to lifting, but life in general.

I think it's important to remember that anything worth doing requires hard work, and it isn't a sprint, but a marathon. A short blip in the timeline of your life where you make bad decisions isn't the end of your time to be productive, it's merely a break. Get your ass in gear and get back to work so the overall average is beneficial and takes you were you want to go.

 

[Rickt]

Live evil that was well said. Only thing i would add from my personal experiance is that without education and with ignorance ive been guilty of pushing shit up hill. The shortcut may miss out on all the great views ma king the journey pointless. But it is stupid to dig your way to the top of the hill when climbing is easier.

So i say take the easiest and quickest way to your goals end without missing out on any of the wonderous things there are to see and learn along the way. Hope that makes sense. It is just my view. Not what i expect others to do. It is your life. Learn from others but live it by your own rules.
Cant believe how calm this has been. No one calling someone else names. Is this meso or church? What a breath of fresh air. I like it.

 

[Logan44551]

If you're talking about me, then I don't use steroids because I'm "weak" rather I use them to become the best version of myself. I use but I don't abuse or rely, that's my point. Can't talk for others, but to me it seems like some people just exist till their next cycle when they cruise or off cycle.

I used to do this, now that my diet is dialed in, I feel like I've progressed way more on just my trt dose. It's been over a year since I cycled, and don't have any plans to run anything any time soon.