I must add this is not directed a pharma or anyone specific! All UGL's.
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DestinedForGreatness
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I hear you bro. I think it comes to whether or not you have a better option. If you don't, I think it is very reassuring that mistakes are being made up for.
johnnyBALLZ
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The second sentence of your post is a point most of us seem to forget.
We all, members not sources, want the best and safest gear at reasonable prices. Our goal should be to do what we can to ensure that for ourselves and our fellow gear uses/ likeminded folk. I believe that is forgotten too often.
Some just don't know any better.. Hell I can't tell you how many vials I pinned with *decent* results before getting the real deal and thinking "whoa.. So this is what it's supposed to be like!"
Haunch
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I'm sure that happens all the time
DestinedForGreatness
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Still waiting for that moment to be honest. I think I've had iffy test E twice now. I've had legit DBol and Sdrol which have both been amazing IME but I can only imagine what a good test/dbol stack would be like.
Haunch
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Brother I hear you. Most of my experiences have been sub standard. Shit man, I'm just wanting real Testosterone. I've given up on even looking for Anavar and for sure not primo but how hard can it be to find real test?
UGL's are supposed to be cheaper than HG stuff but is it really if we need 50 and 75mg a day of Dbol and 900mg of EQ? Masteron is another one. I've done up to a gram a week with no results.
Frustrating to say the least. I have some new gear sitting here I ordered but haven't used it yet. Been off juice for a month or so now but it's hard to get excited about this stuff sitting here because I already feel it will be like the rest, crap.
These are my sentiments exactly but I've been off for almost 3 months. If the test is substandard forget about the mast, anavar, primo
Too many bro
Darman
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Exactly how I think, well put brotha
What happened to the old days where all the shit was legit. I know it was long ago but, those were the days. Now it's like going to the damn casino every time you order!
Tornel oh man that was good! 
QUOTE="carhauler, post: 1362978, member: 65373"]I remember the days of Brovel,Tornel,Tokkyo labs. We thought we were getting substandard vet gear then. Then we had the superior brands like DK and Sydgroup. That all seems like liquid gold these days. I sometimes payed $250 a vial for DK Winnie but was it ever good stuff!![/QUOTE]
QUOTE="carhauler, post: 1362978, member: 65373"]I remember the days of Brovel,Tornel,Tokkyo labs. We thought we were getting substandard vet gear then. Then we had the superior brands like DK and Sydgroup. That all seems like liquid gold these days. I sometimes payed $250 a vial for DK Winnie but was it ever good stuff!![/QUOTE]
I feel like I had been spoiled!! Before my accident and years away from the gym I used mostly DK and it was A.W.E.S.O.M.E!! I am so used to my gears treating me so good and loving me. It is not $$ I'm worried about getting garbage quality. If the gear I pick does not work and did not like me, I just don't think I could take that kind of a rejection!!
Haunch
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Awesome describes those days perfectly. I don't get why it's not more common than not to get awesome gear from UGL's.
Are all the Chinese raws that horrible?
Fouts
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IMHO yes they are. Too many middle men.
Reminds me of a news report on golf clubs that were being faked. USA really makes no clubs anymore it all comes from China. The majority of their workers put in 12-hour days, 7-days a week, and are paid only about $150 a month. Stealing the design and faking it, which they are very efficient at, can make them 10k in a month. More than they would make in 5 years working for the original manufacturer.
They are masters at profiting off of counterfeit and poor quality products. I don't see why pharmaceuticals would be any different.
I was thinking something along those lines. When raws started becoming popular, they came from direct manufacturer's. And you were mostly getting the same raws that U.S. pharmaceutical brands bought and tested. Now amatuers are making it and the good stuff is probably being cut so middle men can make a profit.
Can you say "blow". Every link in the chain steps on it.
The guys making vet gear back in the day were well funded companies made in vet labs. When they got a bad batch of raws, stuff would be pulled once word got out.
Can't compare some of these 2-3 man teams etc or sole brewers to them. They don't have nearly the funds or facilities to correct errors, and lot of them probably don't care. The golden gear era is long gone, welcome inconsistentcy, bunk gear and infections.
QUOTE="carhauler, post: 1363777, member: 65373"]I was thinking something along those lines. When raws started becoming popular, they came from direct manufacturer's. And you were mostly getting the same raws that U.S. pharmaceutical brands bought and tested. Now amatuers are making it and the good stuff is probably being cut so middle men can make a profit.[/QUOTE]
Can't compare some of these 2-3 man teams etc or sole brewers to them. They don't have nearly the funds or facilities to correct errors, and lot of them probably don't care. The golden gear era is long gone, welcome inconsistentcy, bunk gear and infections.
QUOTE="carhauler, post: 1363777, member: 65373"]I was thinking something along those lines. When raws started becoming popular, they came from direct manufacturer's. And you were mostly getting the same raws that U.S. pharmaceutical brands bought and tested. Now amatuers are making it and the good stuff is probably being cut so middle men can make a profit.[/QUOTE]
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