Steroids causing loss of intelligence?

[Benf15harp]

This is beyond my comprehension

 

[Nidus]

This is beyond my comprehension

I mean with Tren that it heavily fucks around with brain chemistry makes sense and there is a lot of stuff supporting this but Primo?

Some of the staff sounds like too much "feels" and smells fishy.

 

[Dafty]

You lot are over thinking this.... It's simple. The brain is a muscle. If you use a muscle it gets bigger and stronger. If you don't use a muscle it gets smaller and weaker.

When we are physically smaller we have to think around our problems to solve them - however as we take steroids and get jacked we can just rely on brute force to solve all of life's problems, hence the brain atrophys.

Sure, a big IQ is great - but big shoulders will win everytime

 

[stevegrantrogers]

Since we’re just throwing shit out here, I believe Primo made me forget how to tie my shoe laces but Tren made me more articulate and learned more about biology, simple chemistry and human kinetics lol.

Hmm, I wonder what would happen if I jabbed both. Ill use tren to prevent against IQ loss

 

[Abidjan]

C'est bizarre. Mais j'ai personnellement ressenti l'effet inverse et je suis devenu plus intelligent avec le temps. Je m'adapte constamment aux nouvelles idées et j'assimile toujours plus d'informations, même en vieillissant. J'adore apprendre et je ne m'arrêterai jamais. C'est peut-être génétique. Mais pour être honnête, est-ce que je prends vraiment beaucoup d'androgènes ? Non. De plus, mon QI est en moyenne à 134. Je n'ai pas remarqué de baisse non plus. C'est peut-être lié à mon point de consigne.

Qui t as dis ça ? You tube?

 

[Slowww]

Man, I get dumber every year I swear. Also took an iq test before starting gear because of the supposed effects in cognition. I’d like to see how low I can get it and compare with a friend who had the same iq but who only does trt. That being said, tren especially helps me become much less autistic.

 

[Slowww]

You lot are over thinking this.... It's simple. The brain is a muscle. If you use a muscle it gets bigger and stronger. If you don't use a muscle it gets smaller and weaker.

When we are physically smaller we have to think around our problems to solve them - however as we take steroids and get jacked we can just rely on brute force to solve all of life's problems, hence the brain atrophys.

Sure, a big IQ is great - but big shoulders will win everytime

This is based as hell. We don’t need brains because we’re fuckin jacked. Evolutionarily speaking or scientifically proven, something like peer reviewed research suggests similar stuffs

 

[Nemesis RR]

Numerous studies found high levels of androgens negatively impact cognition.

Long term use of high dose AAS degrades white brain matter, visible on an MRI.

FWIW, in animal studies, they found Modafinil protected the brain from developing these problems when high doses of testosterone were administered.

What did they consider high dose AAS?

What dose of Modafinil?

 

[dinfar1337]

What did they consider high dose AAS?

What dose of Modafinil?

i tried to do some research myself, havent read what ghoul have read ofc but most of it just comes back to long term superpsychological dosages not a fixated number.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Since we’re just throwing shit out here, I believe Primo made me forget how to tie my shoe laces but Tren made me more articulate and learned more about biology, simple chemistry and human kinetics lol.

Primo did similar for me. Won't use it again. I never felt right on it. Made me miss when the finance guy didn't take off the extra $2k the salesman gave me on my car. Luckily the manager sent me a check later but still. I don't like feeling stupid

 

[Liftn4Life]

I don't believe steroids cause loss of intelligence but I can't say I know for sure.

The stereotyped user is generally stupid to begin with and then some of those guys after a few years of use then think they are experts in health and drugs (more so than real experts or doctors) barking on forums making them look even more stupid.

So I get why there is a perception that steroids cause loss of intelligence.

 

[dinfar1337]

guess we have to wait for ghoul, hes banned yet again

 

[AlexDavis43]

Primo did similar for me. Won't use it again. I never felt right on it. Made me miss when the finance guy didn't take off the extra $2k the salesman gave me on my car. Luckily the manager sent me a check later but still. I don't like feeling stupid

"I don't like feeling stupid"

100% and it's not just you, I think it's a characteristic of all humans. We don't like being fooled.

 

[Nemesis RR]

i tried to do some research myself, havent read what ghoul have read ofc but most of it just comes back to long term superpsychological dosages not a fixated number.

The issue is superphyological dosages can be as low as 150 mg of test if it pushes you over 1000 ng/dl.

I have no experience with tren but have seen the phycological results. That was enough to ever consider. I even remember reading about physical permanent damage to the brain.

 

[dinfar1337]

The issue is superphyological dosages can be as low as 150 mg of test if it pushes you over 1000 ng/dl.

I have no experience with tren but have seen the phycological results. That was enough to ever consider. I even remember reading about physical permanent damage to the brain.

i think its probably there with superphysiological dosages but its probably so little we dont even notice it. and tren is so fucking strong everybody whos on it will notice it. idk of the state of permanent and temporary damage. But it seems like my own experience most of it isnt permanent. Although the brain is the only organ in your body cant heal itself. "
White matter injuries are very serious, but, depending on the type and extent of the injury, extensive recovery may occur. As long as the neuron cell bodies remain healthy, axons can regrow and slowly repair themselves".

It'll probably be a good idea for any tren users to run nootropics and neurotherapeutics drugs. And hence i think something like testosterone probably wont do permanent damage since the nerve damage itself isnt that serious.

might be better to get someone like ghouls opinion on it, im not really the smartest book in the shelf but trying to understand

 

[dinfar1337]

I have no experience with tren but have seen the phycological results. That was enough to ever consider. I even remember reading about physical permanent damage to the brain.

i would say from my own experience, dropping down from 400mg tren e a week to 100mg and now completetly off, the intial drop within weeks i felt way smarter again. it had gotten to the point where i spoke slower, was thinking slower and just not reacting to stuff fast enough defiently had worse cognitive functions overall. but as cessation came most of it was reversible. i still feel a little slower than usual before jumping on my first tren cycle back 2.5 years ago

 

[The Answ3r]

Of course they affect intelligence. After every injection, I feel at least 2iq points lighter - like my brain just clocked out early.

Exactly how I feel after every shot:

 

[Volute]

I'm 100% natural atm and dumb as shit [1]. Vaguely planning my first cycle. If someone wants to do some science and pay for a properly proctored IQ test [2] baseline and after/mid cycle I'm down.

[1] I did enough DNP that I'm gonna need cataract surgery

[2] not online bullshit

 

[oldmanwilliams]

Numerous studies found high levels of androgens negatively impact cognition.

Long term use of high dose AAS degrades white brain matter, visible on an MRI.

The effects hit specific areas of intelligence. Spatial / Visual memory, learning, and inducing cognitive rigidity,

Essentially exhibiting stereotypical "Stubborn old man" characteristics. Unable to learn anything new. Unable to update existing memories with new information. Only able to refer to previously learned skills and ideas.

Excessively low androgens are also associated with cognitive problems.

FWIW, in animal studies, they found Modafinil protected the brain from developing these problems when high doses of testosterone were administered.

Do you have these studies? I want to see. Sounds very interesting.

 

[dinfar1337]

Do you have these studies? I want to see. Sounds very interesting.

+1 it seems like we have always known testosterone impacts the brain so hard to find any good studies on it