Steroids. My opinion has changed.

CoachCabo

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One of the things I used to use as an analogy to people who asked me about steroids and their use/abuse was:
If you could take 10 strokes off your golf game by taking a single pill a day, would you? The answer was ALWAYS a resounding "YES!".

"If you could improve your guitar playing substantially overnight...?"

More closely to my interests are when I was racing motorcycles. "Would you take a pill if it helped you drop two second, HELL, ONE second off your lap times?" The answer was some form of "FUCK YES I WOULD!" I always followed up with "What if the cost was xxxx?" related to health or even cutting years off of lifespan. Most, if not all were cool with paying some cost.

My discussion and analogies helped change many opinions of steroids for the average persons, of which they already had a pretty negative and incorrect view on, based on the stupidity of the masses being fed hyperbole or in the least, misinformation by the media and the U.S. government.
If I heard them say that "steroids are cheating", then I would ask if that meant ALL of them? Because a pitcher needing a corticoid injection to pull off a double header doesn't exactly make him "natty". Don't get me started on birth control hormones and their mass proliferation.

But as I have gotten older, or perhaps because of the incredible rise in abuse due to social media hype, my position has changed. No longer is it the serious athlete trying to improve their already incredible game/skill/accomplishments. It is now the person who joins a gym and has been led to believe that one simply does not gym without gear. They aren't trying to improve from their already establish accomplishments, taking it to the next level. They are starting out at zero level and expecting to be something they are leagues away from to begin with. Some of these guys are also using incredibly high dosages right out of the gate. It simply blows my mind!

I think my opinion has changed significantly. I know that people who improve in whatever they are working at, at a pace that is appropriate and sustainable, they seem to have a better sense of self-esteem doing so. They know the work and the cost of making those improvements, respect it them in themselves and others, and understand fully what it took to get there.

We live in a microwave society. We want everything NOW! America is really, really bad with this. Look at the popularity of fast food. But I digress...

Social media has convinced everyone now that everything is attainable to everyone. I am all for hopes and dreams and working hard toward those. I applaud anyone who works toward their goals feverishly, even if they might be slightly delusional. But not everyone is meant to do everything. I was never very good at golf, but I had a good time playing it. I am a shit guitar player, but it gives me a warm feeling every time I pick it up, plug it in and hit some sweet tones.
I was pretty good bodybuilder in my 20s, but nowhere near genetically gifted enough to be a great bodybuilder. I still dug it though. All of it! I was not great in my 50s, but I was still a national level guy. Something I would have never been in my 20s. Now I am 60, and I think I have a very competitive physique in this age group.

Just as we have seen a wave of what I consider gross steroid abuse in the last few years, I hope we see a wave of realistic expectations and conservative use in the future.
 
Are you ok with people doing botox? Plastic surgery? Recreational drug usage? Consuming plenty of alcohol?

We live in a society of hypocrites. Steroids are cheating, but plastic surgery is ok for the actors/actress. Drug usage is ok for the musician, it helps with their art. Alcohol is ok. But noooooo steroids are cheating. It's abusing.

It's far more likely a teenager will die from drugs/alcohol than steroids. I fucking hate hypocrisy. A is bad, but B is ok. No they are both bad, you are just a fucking hypocrite (not you op, society)

As long a person is of age he should be free to do whatever he deems ok for his risk to reward ratio.

Don't get me wrong, at 18 it's retarded to abuse steroids, but so is doing coke, drinking copious amounts of alcohol and eating fast food. Do I have a say on it? No, unless they ask my opinion and it's still an opinion.

Live and let live people. It's liberating.
 
Are you ok with people doing botox? Plastic surgery? Recreational drug usage? Consuming plenty of alcohol?

We live in a society of hypocrites. Steroids are cheating, but plastic surgery is ok for the actors/actress. Drug usage is ok for the musician, it helps with their art. Alcohol is ok. But noooooo steroids are cheating. It's abusing.

It's far more likely a teenager will die from drugs/alcohol than steroids. I fucking hate hypocrisy. A is bad, but B is ok. No they are both bad, you are just a fucking hypocrite (not you op, society)

As long a person is of age he should be free to do whatever he deems ok for his risk to reward ratio.

Don't get me wrong, at 18 it's retarded to abuse steroids, but so is doing coke, drinking copious amounts of alcohol and eating fast food. Do I have a say on it? No, unless they ask my opinion and it's still an opinion.

Live and let live people. It's liberating.
To be "cheating" at something, there has to be established rules. Bodybuilding without competing in tested comps, isn't cheating.
 
One of the things I used to use as an analogy to people who asked me about steroids and their use/abuse was:
If you could take 10 strokes off your golf game by taking a single pill a day, would you? The answer was ALWAYS a resounding "YES!".

"If you could improve your guitar playing substantially overnight...?"

More closely to my interests are when I was racing motorcycles. "Would you take a pill if it helped you drop two second, HELL, ONE second off your lap times?" The answer was some form of "FUCK YES I WOULD!" I always followed up with "What if the cost was xxxx?" related to health or even cutting years off of lifespan. Most, if not all were cool with paying some cost.

My discussion and analogies helped change many opinions of steroids for the average persons, of which they already had a pretty negative and incorrect view on, based on the stupidity of the masses being fed hyperbole or in the least, misinformation by the media and the U.S. government.
If I heard them say that "steroids are cheating", then I would ask if that meant ALL of them? Because a pitcher needing a corticoid injection to pull off a double header doesn't exactly make him "natty". Don't get me started on birth control hormones and their mass proliferation.

But as I have gotten older, or perhaps because of the incredible rise in abuse due to social media hype, my position has changed. No longer is it the serious athlete trying to improve their already incredible game/skill/accomplishments. It is now the person who joins a gym and has been led to believe that one simply does not gym without gear. They aren't trying to improve from their already establish accomplishments, taking it to the next level. They are starting out at zero level and expecting to be something they are leagues away from to begin with. Some of these guys are also using incredibly high dosages right out of the gate. It simply blows my mind!

I think my opinion has changed significantly. I know that people who improve in whatever they are working at, at a pace that is appropriate and sustainable, they seem to have a better sense of self-esteem doing so. They know the work and the cost of making those improvements, respect it them in themselves and others, and understand fully what it took to get there.

We live in a microwave society. We want everything NOW! America is really, really bad with this. Look at the popularity of fast food. But I digress...

Social media has convinced everyone now that everything is attainable to everyone. I am all for hopes and dreams and working hard toward those. I applaud anyone who works toward their goals feverishly, even if they might be slightly delusional. But not everyone is meant to do everything. I was never very good at golf, but I had a good time playing it. I am a shit guitar player, but it gives me a warm feeling every time I pick it up, plug it in and hit some sweet tones.
I was pretty good bodybuilder in my 20s, but nowhere near genetically gifted enough to be a great bodybuilder. I still dug it though. All of it! I was not great in my 50s, but I was still a national level guy. Something I would have never been in my 20s. Now I am 60, and I think I have a very competitive physique in this age group.

Just as we have seen a wave of what I consider gross steroid abuse in the last few years, I hope we see a wave of realistic expectations and conservative use in the future.
A+++++
 
Adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as they arent hurting anyone else

People who pass judgment on others choices generally are insecure or unhappy in their own life

In conclusion, while your point has validity… mind your own business.
 
Great post. Steroids are a tool not a crutch. Learn about them and how the various compounds are used and the common dosages and frequency so if properly used they will be a help rather than a hindrance. Also the reactions vary from person to person...so don't let one person tell you how to do it.

Remember research is key before you dive into the darkside!
 
For starters, not everyone using cycles and TRT wisely is “taking years off their lives.” This is such a huge misconception when it comes to use rather than abuse. HOWEVER, blasting gear with a shit physique and no real work ethic would be abuse, and I would agree with you 100%! Especially for the ppl who briefly get into the gym as a phase and then move on. I knew when I hit that needle that this was going to be a lifelong journey, I wasn’t just trying to “get in shape.”
 
For starters, not everyone using cycles and TRT wisely is “taking years off their lives.” This is such a huge misconception when it comes to use rather than abuse. HOWEVER, blasting gear with a shit physique and no real work ethic would be abuse, and I would agree with you 100%! Especially for the ppl who briefly get into the gym as a phase and then move on. I knew when I hit that needle that this was going to be a lifelong journey, I wasn’t just trying to “get in shape.”
Yeah man I really think eating the amount of food we do for years is what is taking years off a bodybuilders live. And being huge for years. So lets say a guy who eats a lot of shit food like that sam sulek guy, if someone did that for a long time and blasted high amounts of gear would be taking years off their life. I think if you take gear and eat clean and do your cardio and dont let yourself get too far off a good diet you will be way better off. Just my opinion.
 
Yeah man I really think eating the amount of food we do for years is what is taking years off a bodybuilders live. And being huge for years
So is being a lazy ass 300lbs tub of lard eating McDonald's for breakfast, launch and dinner but I don't see anyone calling that abuse. They call it being a victim.

And if taking steroids cuts 5 years from my life so be it if the trade is 30 years being healthier and stronger than the dude with the bottle of whiskey on one hand and a handful of painkillers in his other hand.
 
I fucking love steroids and will take them until the day i die idc if it kills me early rather live my life for 50 years as a wolf then 80 years as a sheep. I think about 90% of dudes who blast gear will say fuck yes to this.
Funny how you can replace the word steroids with anything you can abuse and it will make sense lol.

For example, I love eating ass and will eat them until the day I die idc …
 
So is being a lazy ass 300lbs tub of lard eating McDonald's for breakfast, launch and dinner but I don't see anyone calling that abuse. They call it being a victim.

And if taking steroids cuts 5 years from my life so be it if the trade is 30 years being healthier and stronger than the dude with the bottle of whiskey on one hand and a handful of painkillers in his other hand.
There are a good amount of people out there who hate masculinity. Not sure if they're afraid of it or what, but they demonize it every chance they get. They're the same kind of people who say obesity is a genetic problem that the person can't do anything about, celebrate obese models, give junkies free housing, food, and help them shoot up, etc. I don't fully get what's up with these people but they seem to like supporting people being sick and incapacitated. Maybe that's why seeing a strong capable man pisses them off.
 
There are a good amount of people out there who hate masculinity. Not sure if they're afraid of it or what, but they demonize it every chance they get. They're the same kind of people who say obesity is a genetic problem that the person can't do anything about, celebrate obese models, give junkies free housing, food, and help them shoot up, etc. I don't fully get what's up with these people but they seem to like supporting people being sick and incapacitated. Maybe that's why seeing a strong capable man pisses them off.
It's easier for the government to control someone who is incapacitated. High, drunk, can't walk because they are obese.

Now try to control a man of sober mind who can bench 400lbs, Not as easy. There will be resistance
 
Are you ok with people doing botox? Plastic surgery? Recreational drug usage? Consuming plenty of alcohol?

We live in a society of hypocrites. Steroids are cheating, but plastic surgery is ok for the actors/actress. Drug usage is ok for the musician, it helps with their art. Alcohol is ok. But noooooo steroids are cheating. It's abusing.

It's far more likely a teenager will die from drugs/alcohol than steroids. I fucking hate hypocrisy. A is bad, but B is ok. No they are both bad, you are just a fucking hypocrite (not you op, society)

As long a person is of age he should be free to do whatever he deems ok for his risk to reward ratio.

Don't get me wrong, at 18 it's retarded to abuse steroids, but so is doing coke, drinking copious amounts of alcohol and eating fast food. Do I have a say on it? No, unless they ask my opinion and it's still an opinion.

Live and let live people. It's liberating.
This. As a person who was always very well informed regarding drugs n fked up shit I still multiple times did em anyways cos I didn’t give a fk n was an asshole, people will always do stuff regardless n society is hypocritical to a ridiculous degree over things they rarely even know enough about to even have an opinion. It infuriates me when people say roids are cheating n that think all sports are clean just cos of a drug test, but somehow most people think that’s the case even though it’s usually the opposite, n then they act like anyone who is is just a single person who must have a shitty moral compass, bitch half the time those are the hardest working n nicest people you will ever meet. Imo people just can’t deal with others achieving stuff they haven’t yet so they will discount anyone’s achievements by just blaming it on gear n sometimes someone os actually natural but cos of the retarded natty or not stuff nowadays only people that look like shit are used as ‘achievable physiques’ n imo that is a symptom of society being full of lazy pieces of shit who seem to just want to be told they ain’t nothing n that it’s pointless to even try cos they won’t get there (which is so far from the truth it’s ridiculous but unfortunately many fall for that). People need to go back to the basics as in hard fkin work n who knows what you can achieve you won’t know until you try!
 
This. As a person who was always very well informed regarding drugs n fked up shit I still multiple times did em anyways cos I didn’t give a fk n was an asshole, people will always do stuff regardless n society is hypocritical to a ridiculous degree over things they rarely even know enough about to even have an opinion. It infuriates me when people say roids are cheating n that think all sports are clean just cos of a drug test, but somehow most people think that’s the case even though it’s usually the opposite, n then they act like anyone who is is just a single person who must have a shitty moral compass, bitch half the time those are the hardest working n nicest people you will ever meet. Imo people just can’t deal with others achieving stuff they haven’t yet so they will discount anyone’s achievements by just blaming it on gear n sometimes someone os actually natural but cos of the retarded natty or not stuff nowadays only people that look like shit are used as ‘achievable physiques’ n imo that is a symptom of society being full of lazy pieces of shit who seem to just want to be told they ain’t nothing n that it’s pointless to even try cos they won’t get there (which is so far from the truth it’s ridiculous but unfortunately many fall for that). People need to go back to the basics as in hard fkin work n who knows what you can achieve you won’t know until you try!
Dude, you need to type in paragraphs like a normal human being lol
 
Ok Boomer

Gimme all teh drugz
I always wonder why people think using "OK Boomer" thing is a pejorative or even as an insult. Boomers gave you the computers, the internet and cell phones. Look what the following generations have done with them. Porn, social media and other complete waste of technology. Except maybe porn. That has improved over looking at those tarantula clams.;)
I fucking love steroids and will take them until the day i die idc if it kills me early rather live my life for 50 years as a wolf then 80 years as a sheep. I think about 90% of dudes who blast gear will say fuck yes to this.
So, is it an either/or? No doubt guys will say "Fuck yes!". That's why there is a problem. And I bet most of the people who think like this have never been close to, or experienced death. When you get to 50, let us know if you still think this way. I have certainly not lived as a "sheep", and I know quite a few guys who have never touched the sauce who are absolute "wolves". But I think they refer to themselves mor as sheep dogs.
Yeah man I really think eating the amount of food we do for years is what is taking years off a bodybuilders live. And being huge for years. So lets say a guy who eats a lot of shit food like that sam sulek guy, if someone did that for a long time and blasted high amounts of gear would be taking years off their life. I think if you take gear and eat clean and do your cardio and dont let yourself get too far off a good diet you will be way better off. Just my opinion.
I totally agree. Sulek is a great example of what I tried to get through in my original post. It's great that he is making a bit of money. Let's see where it leads him. Sure, he doesn't tell young guys to do what he does verbally. But it is obvious that is the implications. I just don't understand every retort to be the polar opposite of anything anyone says. "Don't abuse steroids." "What? I should just be a fat fucker?"
Strange days.
 
Adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as they arent hurting anyone else

People who pass judgment on others choices generally are insecure or unhappy in their own life

In conclusion, while your point has validity… mind your own business.
I have my opinion and posted it. You don't agree so you should have just scrolled past and Minded your own business".
See how that works?
This is a forum. If it isn't here to share thoughts, knowledge and experiences, what good is it?

I totally think everyone should be able to do anything they want to, always, as you said, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. But that doesn't mean I can't have or share an opinion.
But as far as "hurting anyone else", do you not think that rampant steroid abuse effects those who just want to use them? Molding the already negative perception of steroids in the minds of the masses into an even more negative shape is harmful to those of us who would like to return to the times before the Steroid Act of 1990?
These "Natty or not" videos and Tren this, Tren that on social media further paints the use of any anabolic in an unfavorable and unfair light.
I saw a YouTube the other day where some skinny dude was demonstrating something like bow or a gun and he said, "This is like an XXX on Tren."
Remember when it was a "XX on steroids"?
My buddy's broccoli head 16-year-old son and his meathead friends are saying "Tren this' or "Tren that" all the time. You can bet when they want to start on the gear, any steroid won't do. They are going straight to Tren.
Like most young guys do today.

It is sad really.
 
I have my opinion and posted it. You don't agree so you should have just scrolled past and Minded your own business".
See how that works?
This is a forum. If it isn't here to share thoughts, knowledge and experiences, what good is it?

I totally think everyone should be able to do anything they want to, always, as you said, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. But that doesn't mean I can't have or share an opinion.
But as far as "hurting anyone else", do you not think that rampant steroid abuse effects those who just want to use them? Molding the already negative perception of steroids in the minds of the masses into an even more negative shape is harmful to those of us who would like to return to the times before the Steroid Act of 1990?
These "Natty or not" videos and Tren this, Tren that on social media further paints the use of any anabolic in an unfavorable and unfair light.
I saw a YouTube the other day where some skinny dude was demonstrating something like bow or a gun and he said, "This is like an XXX on Tren."
Remember when it was a "XX on steroids"?
My buddy's broccoli head 16-year-old son and his meathead friends are saying "Tren this' or "Tren that" all the time. You can bet when they want to start on the gear, any steroid won't do. They are going straight to Tren.
Like most young guys do today.

It is sad really.
I agree. I think that this whole tren thing that is going on with the younger guys is just gotten crazy. Young guys who literally cant even stay on a diet for a week or even consistantly be in the gym are jumping on tren because they have this warped idea of what it does and it was is used for. Tren in my opinion the only place tren has in this realm is the last 6 weeks before a contest. It should only be used for this purpose. Kids are wanting a quick result without putting in any work for it so they can get views. Its sad actually how desperate the young guys are for the approval and praise from complete strngers. Im 30 btw
 
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