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[mugzy]

Those who are intelligent can quite easily open a PayPal in a name that is not theirs Norbit.

It takes some technical savvy and work. But it is very possible. So yes, we are serious. lol. Somewhat of a "blackhat" thing to do. If you would like help, I would be happy to help you. Just shoot me a PM sir. Anything you need I am here to help.


Certainly we're not suggesting you order and then pay with a PayPal attached to your given name. We certainly don't accept with one attached to our name.

I agree you can open a business paypal account without a name however you MUST connect a valid bank account to your business acount which of course you must have your real name for. Accepting paypal for steroids is very amateur of a source. Also I see credits cards as form of payment, of course a person must give all of there personal info to use a credit card.

Secondly your website. A source is supposed to be covert and inconspicuous yet you come here and post a link to your website on a public forum advertising that you sell US domestic steroids which is illegal. This is wrong and amateur.

Hosting, You used your personal information and hosted the website on a US domestic server. I pointed it out and you moved it however all of that information is already captured by whois and is now public information...... one more thing steroids are also illegal in Holland hence you did not do your due dilligence and finding a safe place to host your steroid website it is still a tremendous risk.

 

[PreludeToSilence]

I agree you can open a business paypal account without a name however you MUST connect a valid bank account to your business acount which of course you must have your real name for. Accepting paypal for steroids is very amateur of a source. Also I see credits cards as form of payment, of course a person must give all of there personal info to use a credit card.

Secondly your website. A source is supposed to be covert and inconspicuous yet you come here and post a link to your website on a public forum advertising that you sell US domestic steroids which is illegal. This is wrong and amateur.

Hosting, You used your personal information and hosted the website on a US domestic server. I pointed it out and you moved it however all of that information is already captured by whois and is now public information...... one more thing steroids are also illegal in Holland hence you did not do your due dilligence and finding a safe place to host your steroid website it is still a tremendous risk.

Just my opinion here, but how they run their end of the business (website, advertising, payment options, etc.) should be, quite frankly, none of our business to an extent. As customers, we should be primarily be concerned with customer service, quality of product, price, quick TA, and of course anonymity when placing an order. If all that is in order I wouldn't care if they were on amazon.

Their choice of payment is definitely up to the customer... I, personally, would never use a credit card or paypal. WU or MG for me. But hey, if the person has all their bases covered and figured out a way to safely order by the other means, then well... have at it. That's on them.

As far as the risks SF take go with advertising and whatnot, I would have to assume that all of that has been taken into consideration and they would have all their ducks in a row as far as that is concerned (or at least I hope). I don't think they want to be the next source busted just as much, if not more, than we don't want to be caught with the goods they're selling. The uncensored nature of this forum is precisely why so many people frequent it and is a good place to advertise. Honestly, whether they advertised or not, it doesn't take rocket science LE to figure out what sources are legit and go after them.

All that said, I definitely agree that risks taken in this business are huge... I just hope, like I said, that all their ducks are in a row. This seems like a very legit source with a quality product and I don't think anybody would like to see another one go down.

I'm not arguing with you. If I'm overlooking something just let me know. Just giving my .02

Respect.

 

[mugzy]

Just my opinion here, but how they run their end of the business (website, advertising, payment options, etc.) should be, quite frankly, none of our business to an extent. As customers, we should be primarily be concerned with customer service, quality of product, price, quick TA, and of course anonymity when placing an order. If all that is in order I wouldn't care if they were on amazon.

When the posted a link to their website here it became our business. Also you are wrong in your assesment that as customers you should be worried about customer service, product quality, price, etc. You are buying illegal steroids as a customer your top concern should be safety and security.

Their choice of payment is definitely to the customer... I, personally, would never use a credit card or paypal. WU or MG for me. But hey, if the person has all their bases covered and figured out a way to safely order by the other means, then well... have at it. That's on them.

If they accept paypal and credit cards the source only has his own interest in mind and not the customer's safety.

As far as the risks SF take go with advertising and whatnot, I would have to assume that all of that has been taken into consideration and they would have all their ducks in a row as far as that is concerned (or at least I hope). I don't think they want to be the next source busted just as much, if not more, than we don't want to be caught with the goods they're selling. The uncensored nature of this forum is precisely why so many people frequent it and is a good place to advertise. Honestly, whether they advertised or not, it doesn't take rocket science LE to figure out what sources are legit and go after them.

Stupid statement..... you lead with "I would have to assume". You are buying illegal steroids you should be assuming nothing.

All that said, I definitely agree that risks taken in this business are huge... I just hope, like I said, that all their ducks are in a row. This seems like a very legit source with a quality product and I don't think anybody would like to see another one go down.

Please define "legit source" In my opinion a legit source is one who take thier and thier customers security serious and takes the proper and well thought out precautions needed to be a source. This source has clearly done none of this.

I'm not arguing with you. If I'm overlooking something just let me know. Just giving my .02

Respect.

 

[PreludeToSilence]

When the posted a link to their website here it became our business. Also you are wrong in your assesment that as customers you should be worried about customer service, product quality, price, etc. You are buying illegal steroids as a customer your top concern should be safety and security.

That's kind of a "given" wouldn't you say? I take my precautions and I can hope you (and all of us) do too. It's not SF's responsibility to make sure I have covered things on my end.

If they accept paypal and credit cards the source only has his own interest in mind and not the customer's safety.

Again, they are not forcing anyone to pay that way. If you've covered your bases on that method of payment then go for it. I, personally, agree with you though -- I wouldn't pay by those means. I don't need them to hold my hand and tell me the safest way I should order. Come on now...

Stupid statement..... you lead with "I would have to assume". You are buying illegal steroids you should be assuming nothing.

My statement there was in regards to how they cover THEIR asses. Since I'm not them I can ONLY assume, right? If I, personally, feel safe in assuming that and I've covered MY ass than there shouldn't be any problems. If "buyer beware" isn't on the brain of anyone placing an order (with any source) than they pretty much should just reconsider what they are doing.

Please define "legit source" In my opinion a legit source is one who take thier and thier customers security serious and takes the proper and well thought out precautions needed to be a source. This source has clearly done none of this.

Show me proof they haven't (other than your method of payment argument). I can say I feel they are "legit" based on my experience with them so far. Have you dealt with them yet?

 

[mugzy]

Show me proof they haven't (other than your method of payment argument). I can say I feel they are "legit" based on my experience with them so far. Have you dealt with them yet?

Im only going to addres this question since your responses to the other clearly show you have no clue nor agument.

When you purchase from steroidsfax website you must fill in all of your REAL information if you are using a credit card and off course you need a shipping address. All of this is logged on the server as soon as you hit next. And that is your proof that hey havent taken proper care to protect their customers information. NEVER assume anything when your buying something that is illegal.

 

[PreludeToSilence]

Im only goingto addres this question since your responses to the other clearly show you have no clue nor agument.

When you purchase from steroidfax website you must fill in all of your REAL infromation if you are using a credit card and off course you need a shipping address. All of this is logged on the server s soon as you hit next. And that is your proof that hey havent taken proper care to protect their customers information. NEVER assume anything when your buying something that is illegal.

Oh my God man... where does it ever state that you are forced to pay with a credit card or paypal?? In your attempt to prove me wrong with your link you neglected to get to step 4. The payment option. In step 2 (billing information) you could put whatever you want if your intention is to pay via MoneyGram. You are completely missing my point man and looking for an argument.

NOW... Yes, if you pay with a credit card you must fill in whatever info is "correct" and affiliated with said card. That's the option of the customer though. Not forced. My bet is that most would opt for the MoneyGram option though.

I don't know what else to say regarding this.

If I'm wrong in any of this then perhaps SF will step in and set the record straight and I'll openly admit I was wrong. Until then... I'm done with this conversation.

 

[steroidsfax]

While I didn't personally make the decision to accept PayPal or credit cards. The bottomline is that in the U.S. you need a SSN to open a prepaid credit card. Many nefarious types have prepaids here which are not in their personal name. Many people do have fake ID.

My boss tells me that in other countries it is far easier to get a prepaid in someone else's name. We accept credit cards for these people. I have it listed in my signature, that no one MUST use the website. We can ship to whatever address they supply us, and they can supply us in an email. Of course we don't recommend that John Smith use his own visa, or PayPal. We assumed this was completely obvious. It is 100% possible to have credit cards, PayPals in fake names. We sell anabolics worldwide, I don't know why it is automatically assumed that every policy is geared specifically for citizens of the US. Simply accepting PayPal does not constitute a recommendation for US citizens to use the same PayPal they use on eBay. We hope our customers are smarter than that.

We are not the only website taking risks, although we may be taking more of them, and many pre-ORD vets such as yourself, have voiced similar concerns. I can't/won't attempt to argue. As I have raised similar concerns to my employer.

Unfortunately many of those who have been around (not you) like to charge 200-300/vial in the gym. And they also protect their private sources vigorously. So, many times newer guys who cannot afford/dont WANT to afford this markup. Are left with few options. So they turn to sources on forums like eroids/promuscle.

Some of which have shopping carts.
Some of which have servers in countries where AAS are illegal.
All of which are on easily accessible forums.



At least we are honest.
At least we are doing everything we can to insure customer satisfaction.

Not trying to argue. I have too much respect for you to do that.

I just want people to understand that we don't want them using their personal info either. There are countries where its not as big of a concern as it is here. There are countries where BigBrother isn't so damn big. We sell world-wide.

I personally only recommend using WU/MG for US based customers, some of our US customers could vouch for that, as they inquired about PayPal and I explained this to them.

Respect mugzy. I know you're just trying to help the newer members and many of your points are valid, and I hope well received by newer members.

 

[mugzy]

While I didn't personally make the decision to accept PayPal or credit cards. The bottomline is that in the U.S. you need a SSN to open a prepaid credit card. Many nefarious types have prepaids here which are not in their personal name. Many people do have fake ID.

So your suggesting people go get fake ID's.....

My boss tells me that in other countries it is far easier to get a prepaid in someone else's name. We accept credit cards for these people. I have it listed in my signature, that no one MUST use the website. We can ship to whatever address they supply us, and they can supply us in an email. Of course we don't recommend that John Smith use his own visa, or PayPal. We assumed this was completely obvious. It is 100% possible to have credit cards, PayPals in fake names. We sell anabolics worldwide, I don't know why it is automatically assumed that every policy is geared specifically for citizens of the US. Simply accepting PayPal does not constitute a recommendation for US citizens to use the same PayPal they use on eBay. We hope our customers are smarter than that.

Once again, you cannot get a paypal without a bank account attached which means yes you have to have your real info. Please post proof otherwise, I will challenge you on this all day so have your facts. YOU my friend are losing credability with me by the minute that you would tell people it is ok to buy steroids with paypal..... I know more about you than you think.

We are not the only website taking risks, although we may be taking more of them, and many pre-ORD vets such as yourself, have voiced similar concerns. I can't/won't attempt to argue. As I have raised similar concerns to my employer.

If this is your belief and you are saying your concerns mirror mine why are you still working for him? Gear isnt that expensive why would you knowingly put others and yourself at risk?

Unfortunately many of those who have been around (not you) like to charge 200-300/vial in the gym. And they also protect their private sources vigorously. So, many times newer guys who cannot afford/dont WANT to afford this markup. Are left with few options. So they turn to sources on forums like eroids/promuscle.

Or steroidsfax..... tell me what is the difference. This isnt the gym it is a forum, so your here to promote steroidfax to save the guys in the guy from paying too much? Listen to yourself and your weak argument.

Some of which have shopping carts.
Some of which have servers in countries where AAS are illegal.
All of which are on easily accessible forums.

That makes it right?

At least we are honest.
At least we are doing everything we can to insure customer satisfaction.

I dont think anybody who gets busted will say they were satisfied.

 

[mugzy]

I have but one question "rep" ....... why are you working for steroidsfax? What is the incentive and is a few bottles of free gear worth your reputation? You need to ask yourself these questions......

 

[steroidsfax]

I have but one question "rep" ....... why are you working for steroidsfax? What is the incentive and is a few bottles of free gear worth your reputation? You need to ask yourself these questions......

I am on the forums all the time anyway. So, why not be compensated for my time? I would never rep a p.o.s. source who was scamming/selling garbage. Those who know me, know this is true. There is also the fact that I REALLY am helping people everyday. Why is it so hard to believe this factors into the equation? If you were more active on my home board, you would know, under my usual SN I consistently, patiently, help the new guys. While rarely/never treating new guys like idiots. My intentions were never called into question then, so why now?


You don't know more about me than I think.

I don't think, at least...lol

I KNOW damn well you must know who I am, I have told several who are close to you. And I am a member, at a board you "frequent". If you know more than my handle/IP address, then I would be surprised, and concerned.

 

[steroidsfax]

How common is it, for personal use buyers to be busted when a source goes down??

I would love to see every story you know of. How many are there?

 

[steroidsfax]

I have but one question "rep" ....... why are you working for steroidsfax? What is the incentive and is a few bottles of free gear worth your reputation? You need to ask yourself these questions......

Thanks for trying to help mugz. I genuinely appreciate what your trying to do. No sarcasm intended here.

Taken to heart.

 

[mugzy]

I am on the forums all the time anyway. So, why not be compensated for my time? I would never rep a p.o.s. source who was scamming/selling garbage. Those who know me, know this is true. There is also the fact that I REALLY am helping people everyday. Why is it so hard to believe this factors into the equation? If you were more active on my home board, you would know, under my usual SN I consistently, patiently, help the new guys. While rarely/never treating new guys like idiots. My intentions were never called into question then, so why now?


You don't know more about me than I think.

I don't think, at least...lol

I KNOW damn well you must know who I am, I have told several who are close to you. And I am a member, at a board you "frequent". If you know more than my handle/IP address, then I would be surprised, and concerned.

I know exactly who you are. You are helping nobody by working for a source that has no experience and if he does he does not care of others safety. By the way I dont frequent one forum I frequent 82 and own 6 .... you know of one however not the others, one having over 1 million posts. I have been on these forums for 17 years and you dont have to listen to me however this source is unsafe and I highly recommend people do not use them. Take it from a 17 year board vet and admin.

Iam not the internet police and have stayed out of this post up until now however I cannot sit here any further and watch you try to convice people that it is ok to use paypal and credit cards to buy illegal steroids.

 

[mugzy]

Thanks for trying to help mugz. I genuinely appreciate what your trying to do. No sarcasm intended here.

Taken to heart.

Too late I responded to your emotional post...... think before you post. I do not wish to post in this thread any further however you keep bringing me back with empty aruments that have no backing.

 

[steroidsfax]

So your suggesting people go get fake ID's.....

NO SIR. MY QUOTE WAS THAT SOME PPL ALREADY HAVE FAKE ID. IF TBEY DON'T, THEN THEY SHOULD US AN ANONYMOUS FORM OF PAYMENT. IMO.

Once again, you cannot get a paypal without a bank account attached which means yes you have to have your real info. Please post proof otherwise, I will challenge you on this all day so have your facts. YOU my friend are losing credability with me by the minute that you would tell people it is ok to buy steroids with paypal..... I know more about you than you think.

I DON'T WISH TO LOSE CREDIBILITY AT ALL. I AM ADMITTEDLY REPEATING WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD. HOWEVER IT MAKES PERFECT LOGICAL SENSE, THAT IF THE OWNER OF SF HAD A FAKE IDENTITY HE COULD ALSO HAVE A FAKE BANK ACCOUNT IS IT NOT? I KNOW YOU WILL SAY IT IS UNLIKELY, BUT IS IT IMPOSSIBLE? BEAR IN MIND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT COUNTRY HE IS OPERATING FROM, SOME ARE MORE CORRUPT THAN OTHERS, AS YOU WELL KNOW.

If this is your belief and you are saying your concerns mirror mine why are you still working for him? Gear isnt that expensive why would you knowingly put others and yourself at risk?

MUGZ, SWEAR TO GOD...ITS NOT ABOUT THE GEAR MAN. ITS $150/month HARDLY ENOUGH TO CONCERN MYSELF WITH. IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THE GEAR, THE ABILITY TO WORK FOR AN HONEST COMPANY, THE EXPERIENCE GARNERED, I HAVENT BEEN AROUND FOR 10 YEARS LIKE YOU.


Or steroidsfax..... tell me what is the difference. This isnt the gym it is a forum, so your here to promote steroidfax to save the guys in the guy from paying too much? Listen to yourself and your weak argument.

YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY ARGUMENT. I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR ENOUGH

Sorry for replying like this. I'm on my phone.

 

[steroidsfax]

Too late I responded to your emotional post...... think before you post. I do not wish to post in this thread any further however you keep bringing me back with empty aruments that have no backing.

Its cool man. I'm not trying to argue. Only make my thoughts known. I don't presume to know everything.

I wasnt emotional in the post you responded to.

Common mistake to assume you can hear voice inflection through reading.

 

[mugzy]

Sorry for replying like this. I'm on my phone.

I DON'T WISH TO LOSE CREDIBILITY AT ALL. I AM ADMITTEDLY REPEATING WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD. HOWEVER IT MAKES PERFECT LOGICAL SENSE, THAT IF THE OWNER OF SF HAD A FAKE ID HE COULD ALSO HAVE A FAKE BANK ACCOUNT IS IT NOT? I KNOW YOU WILL SAY IT IS UNLIKELY, BUT IS IT IMPOSSIBLE? BEAR IN MIND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT COUNTRY HE IS OPERATING FROM, SOME ARE MORE CORRUPT THAN OTHERS, AS YOU WELL KNOW.

Once again you underestimate me clearly if you had been around 10 years you would never have said this. I know exacly what country he is operating from, I know his full name as well do you?

 

[steroidsfax]

Once again you underestimate me clearly if you had been around 10 years you would never have said this. I know exacly what country he is operating from, I know his full name as well do you?

PM me the country.

Not a challenge. Genuine curiosity.

 

[mugzy]

already did and if he's telling you different he's lying.

 

[norbit09]

Any source that offers PP could not care about a customer at all. And to SF I am very savvy when it comes to computers and etc. Ask Karl he fucked my best friend so he knows what I can or cant do..

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Just my opinion here, but how they run their end of the business (website, advertising, payment options, etc.) should be, quite frankly, none of our business to an extent. As customers, we should be primarily be concerned with customer service, quality of product, price, quick TA, and of course anonymity when placing an order. If all that is in order I wouldn't care if they were on amazon.

Their choice of payment is definitely up to the customer... I, personally, would never use a credit card or paypal. WU or MG for me. But hey, if the person has all their bases covered and figured out a way to safely order by the other means, then well... have at it. That's on them.

As far as the risks SF take go with advertising and whatnot, I would have to assume that all of that has been taken into consideration and they would have all their ducks in a row as far as that is concerned (or at least I hope). I don't think they want to be the next source busted just as much, if not more, than we don't want to be caught with the goods they're selling. The uncensored nature of this forum is precisely why so many people frequent it and is a good place to advertise. Honestly, whether they advertised or not, it doesn't take rocket science LE to figure out what sources are legit and go after them.

All that said, I definitely agree that risks taken in this business are huge... I just hope, like I said, that all their ducks are in a row. This seems like a very legit source with a quality product and I don't think anybody would like to see another one go down.

I'm not arguing with you. If I'm overlooking something just let me know. Just giving my .02

Respect.