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[smt71]

Perhaps then your SF's "employer" SMT?

It's clear no other Meso member comes to the rescue like yourself, once he buries himself in his own pile of shit!

Oh common Jim, really? Do I come off as being that knowledgeable about all of this that I could actually be his employer? I'm just like every other newb who is trying to find a good source and believes that SF should be judged on the quality of the product and service he provides. We don't want to see this thread cluttered up with misleading crap about tangential BS like payment method. All of these issues were addressed earlier in this thread and SF recommended buyers use the most secure methods and he continues to do so. The only pile of shit he is buried in is the noise coming from just a few meso members like yourself. There are plenty of other respected vets here who have chosen not to pass judgment prematurely.

Let's let the people who actually buy the product pass the judgment.

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm "preventing" no one from buy a product from SF, including those Kigs but I'm certainly not diffident about voicing the mistrust I have for their less than dutifully selected Meso rep.

 

[smt71]

I'm "preventing" no one from buy a product from SF, including those Kigs but I'm certainly not diffident about voicing the mistrust I have for their less than dutifully selected Meso rep.

Obviously you guys all know each other and have history and baggage that has entered into this discussion and created quite a bit of contention. I can't comment on that because I'm new to all of this. The best I can do is judge SF on how he has treated me and other customers in this discussion and the quality of his product.

It's really frustrating for newbs because most of us have spent weeks if not months looking for a good source. And just when we think we have found one we see him being discredited for things other than service and the quality of his products.

Honestly, I wish we could all just take a break from this discussion.

 

[biggerben69]

Obviously you guys all know each other and have history and baggage that has entered into this discussion and created quite a bit of contention. I can't comment on that because I'm new to all of this. The best I can do is judge SF on how he has treated me and other customers in this discussion and the quality of his product.

It's really frustrating for newbs because most of us have spent weeks if not months looking for a good source. And just when we think we have found one we see him being discredited for things other than service and the quality of his products.

Honestly, I wish we could all just take a break from this discussion.

We're not judging the product or customer service. Here in cali weed is legal with a card. The state says its all good. The feds don't give a fuck. I did time with a guy who owned a dispensery in San Franscisco. He was providing a service to desperate people. In my eyes, thats what's going on here. You said it yourself. Noobs are searching for a place that delivers good gear? You're minimizing the danger.
Dr Jim has an issue with the rep. I believe he has an issue with the entire operation. Mugz has been around forever. I've been around since the beginning. We're just pointing out flaws. Folks just want to be placated and told everything is gonna be ok.
The feds operate differently than the state. They will trade up and down the ladder. I've known people who were leaders of the conspiracy get less time than people they've sold to. The more people they bring into a conspiracy the better for them. Nobody thinks it will happen to them. The young businessman wasn't meant for prison. He got eaten up. How many of you are?

 

[regular]

Those who are intelligent can quite easily open a PayPal in a name that is not theirs Norbit.

It takes some technical savvy and work. But it is very possible. So yes, we are serious. lol. Somewhat of a "blackhat" thing to do. If you would like help, I would be happy to help you. Just shoot me a PM sir. Anything you need I am here to help.


Certainly we're not suggesting you order and then pay with a PayPal attached to your given name. We certainly don't accept with one attached to our name.

Paypal is among the least friendly payment methods for our purposes. They work hand in hand with law enforcement. Paypal keeps all payment records forever. You may be a little fish today but if you ever got large enough to motivate a prosecutor to attempt to capture the funds you've generated pulling your financial records with paypal is a fax away.

http://www.forwardedge2.usss.gov/pdf/form-eb.pdf
https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/social_network/EBay_Paypal_SN_LEG_Airforce.pdf
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/law-enforcement

Having a website which overtly accepts orders for domestic steroids is dangerous. Even if your server is hosted in a country which doesn't comply with US law enforcement inquiries for subscriber information there are federal employees and private contractors who can work in teams 24 hours a day to get into your server. It all comes down to how motivated they are to capture your the evidence hosted on your server. You're exposing yourself and your clients to unnecessary security threats in exchange for convenience.

The mistakes you make at the beginning can bring you down later. There's a reason why people are criticizing your methodology.

 

[steroidsfax]

Paypal is among the least friendly payment methods for our purposes. They work hand in hand with law enforcement. Paypal keeps all payment records forever. You may be a little fish today but if you ever got large enough to motivate a prosecutor to attempt to capture the funds you've generated pulling your financial records with paypal is a fax away.

http://www.forwardedge2.usss.gov/pdf/form-eb.pdf
https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/social_network/EBay_Paypal_SN_LEG_Airforce.pdf
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/law-enforcement

Having a website which overtly accepts orders for domestic steroids is dangerous. Even if your server is hosted in a country which doesn't comply with US law enforcement inquiries for subscriber information there are federal employees and private contractors who can work in teams 24 hours a day to get into your server. It all comes down to how motivated they are to capture your the evidence hosted on your server. You're exposing yourself and your clients to unnecessary security threats in exchange for convenience.

The mistakes you make at the beginning can bring you down later. There's a reason why people are criticizing your methodology.

These are the reasons, for the message contained in my signature. Which is a shortened version of a post I made earlier.

The points reg is making cannot be emphasized enough.

I have unlimited respect for you Reg. Below is a link to the full post I made. I would greatly appreciate your insight, into whether I forgot anything, or left anything out, which would help our customers remain safe. I want our customers to be safe, and if it is proven that it is impossible to be safe when ordering from us, I would cease to Rep this reseller.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/866175

 

[Dr JIM]

Damn
As always Banner your posts are timely, germane, informative, and on spot mate!

 

[Dr JIM]

NOT !!!!!
SMT I knew NOTHING of SF or their newly introduced "Meso rep", BUT obviously he has done everything humanly possible to ensure his existing reputation prejudices any future actions or commentary in my mind.

 

[steroidsfax]

NOT !!!!!
SMT I knew NOTHING of SF or their newly introduced "Meso rep", BUT obviously he has done everything humanly possible to ensure his existing reputation prejudices any future actions or commentary in my mind.

You are correct sir.

I do believe my reputation as an honest and forthright person should be taken into consideration. I didn't build such a reputation overnight, so why should it be stripped with the decision to back a reseller?

I doubt you would disagree that a man of nefarious character shouldn't be trusted.

So wouldn't the opposite also be true? Or am I wrong? Does everything change because I chose to back, what I believe to be an honest and open reseller? (this is a genuine inquiry, not a challenge)

 

[steroidsfax]

For years I have read blurbs here and there about, this good rep, or that good rep.

This guy, who is a rep, but is just an honest, good bro.

This is the reputation I am desperately attempting to make for myself. The apology I sent you by PM was an honest attempt to apologize for anything I have done which damaged this endeavor. I may have acted immaturely, I may have read the situation wrong, and spewed venom needlessly. But I hope that my integrity, has remained/will remain intact through this process. I respect you, and your contribution to this forum, although it has been a few days since I acted as such.

 

[skywalk]

jeezuz you two.

 

[steroidsfax]

jeezuz you two.

I am doing everything I can to rectify my previous mistakes SW. I am genuinely hoping the Dr. facilitates this. If it digresses into an argument, I will stand down.

 

[mugzy]

Meso has not had sources in many years...... so why the need for a rep? Are you doing business here via pm?

 

[steroidsfax]

Meso has not had sources in many years...... so why the need for a rep? Are you doing business here via pm?

Confused what you mean?

I direct customers to the website, or to my employers email. Their perogative

 

[skywalk]

I am doing everything I can to rectify my previous mistakes SW. I am genuinely hoping the Dr. facilitates this. If it digresses into an argument, I will stand down.

I understand your point SF. But I think you need to understand and accept the simple fact that Dr. or joe, tom, dick, harry might not.

Put simply, (and I reiterate my previous post) some people will love you, and some will hate you. If you keep trying to tell everyone that you're honest/trust-worthy/dependable/good/reliable etc. and ARGUE this point till your face turns blue, it will still NOT "facilitate" your efforts. It will actually HINDER.

my best advice is let your actions speak louder than your words. IF you made a mistake, post it, acknowledge it, then let it be. The flames will die down, the bitching will stop, and all people basically care about is how dependable you are.
CREATE a track record, and this will take TIME! You can;t build a good, solid reputation overnight, but you can certainly destroy it if you keep arguing.

SF, right or wrong, justified or not, just do your business, and do it well. Us bros will respect you for that, not for you arguing in here to prove a point.

 

[regular]

I have unlimited respect for you Reg. Below is a link to the full post I made. I would greatly appreciate your insight, into whether I forgot anything, or left anything out, which would help our customers remain safe. I want our customers to be safe, and if it is proven that it is impossible to be safe when ordering from us, I would cease to Rep this reseller.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/866175

I respect you too. I don't have any ill will toward you.

You've got guys who have been around trying to point you in the right direction. Why ignore them? It's not possible to prove your clients are going to suffer a negative consequence at the hands of law enforcement. You're giving law enforcement who want to learn about your operation and clients an easy way to do so by hosting a web store with a client database attached. Many server providers by default copy ssh keys and grant themselves access to the servers in their data center. If your provider will comply with a court order you'll have no idea your site is being monitored.

Fake banking information being used puts you in violation of the Bank Secrecy Act. Paypal can be requested to turnover your account details and transaction records for that alone. Paypal is actually breaking the law by not reporting you.

msb.gov - Reporting Suspicious Activity

Paypal is anti AAS. At minimum they will seize your funds and report you if they catch onto what you're doing.

Paypal on Steroids

Ordering from a domestic AAS web store which accepts paypal seems unnecessarily hazardous to me. Consider longevity as opposed to convenience.

Let's let the people who actually buy the product pass the judgment.

The target market doesn't know any better (as shown below.)

lets face it, most customers (foolishly imo) use their real info at WU/MG anyway...so what is the difference really??

 

[Millard]

How common is it, for personal use buyers to be busted when a source goes down??

I would love to see every story you know of. How many are there?

It's not that common. But it happens. If not busted, their activities are scrutinized. Something that most users would want to avoid.

Medline Pharmaceuticals Underground Lab Operator Sentenced to Prison

"Kevin O’Connor, the former United States Attorney for the District of Connecticut originally in charge of the Medline Pharmaceuticals case, made headlines for his public proclamations that he would identify and contact individual customers purchasing steroids..."

Bodybuilders, Personal Trainers and Gym Owner Arrested in Texas Steroid Bust

"The “largest narcotics operation in the history of Fort Bend County” primarily involved the arrest of personal trainers, their clients, bodybuilders, a professional bodybuilder and a gym owner in the Houston area. Many of the arrests only involved steroid possession..."

Law Enforcement "Monitoring" Customers from Summer Steroid Bust

"St. Landry Parish Sheriff Bobby Guidroz and his detectives are still “monitoring” at least 100 customers/clients who purchased anabolic steroids.."

 

[steroidsfax]

Thanks for the honest feedback guys.

Millard, I noticed the dates on those articles all closely followed ORD.

Since I wasn't on the boards at that time, which makes it more difficult for me to gain perspective, do you feel like we are in a "calm before the storm"?

Or are there many articles from more recent years similar to the ones you posted, and the fact that they are all 4-5 years old and from the same time period is simply coincidence? Thanks for posting those, I was unaware of those stories.

 

[Millard]

Thanks for the honest feedback guys.

Millard, I noticed the dates on those articles all closely followed ORD.

Since I wasn't on the boards at that time, which makes it more difficult for me to gain perspective, do you feel like we are in a "calm before the storm"?

Or are there many articles from more recent years similar to the ones you posted, and the fact that they are all 4-5 years old and from the same time period is simply coincidence? Thanks for posting those, I was unaware of those stories.

I hope not. I hope there is no storm on the horizon. The primary targets are usually distributors; sometimes individual users may be mistakenly (or purposefully) prosecuted as distributors due to the quantity of AAS imported and/or in their possession.

Most possession cases are from local traffic stops, importation attempts, etc and not top-down busts.

For example, this federal case was in the news today:

Ex-Pittsburgh resident gets break on steroid offense | TribLIVE

Probation for importing steroids for himself and weightlifting partners.

Who knows if "six types of anabolic steroids" involved 6 vials total or 6 vials of each? But it still seems relatively minor violation for a federal case.

 

[steroidsfax]

I hope not. I hope there is no storm on the horizon. The primary targets are usually distributors; sometimes individual users may be mistakenly (or purposefully) prosecuted as distributors due to the quantity of AAS imported and/or in their possession.

Most possession cases are from local traffic stops, importation attempts, etc and not top-down busts.

For example, this federal case was in the news today:

Ex-Pittsburgh resident gets break on steroid offense | TribLIVE

Probation for importing steroids for himself and weightlifting partners.

Who knows if "six types of anabolic steroids" involved 6 vials total or 6 vials of each? But it still seems relatively minor violation for a federal case.

Thanks again Millard, that was also my understanding. That it was very rare for customers to be prosecuted.

No ambitious DEA agent is going to make a reputation for himself by busting a bunch of personal use guys. Most customers being prosecuted stems from traffic stops.

I didn't hear of any of oscaro/z/genxxl customers being looked for, or found. Not that I KNOW it didn't happen, I just didn't hear of it.

But that being said, anyone who sleeps on security, simply because prosecution of users is extremely rare, is asking for trouble or ignorant.