scott weiland
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I think this thread should be deleted.
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steroidsfax
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Its okay. It is good for potential customers to be able to make an informed decision. There are 2 sides to every coin. So here in this thread a potential customer who looks at the situation objectively can easily see both sides.
Whether it be detractors spouting their negativity every few weeks, seemingly in waves.
Or the happy customers who are pinning quality gear at a fair price, without fear of being scammed.
Incidentally, a fast glance through this thread would show, the customers vastly outnumber the detractors. Vastly. From 10+year vets, to first post noobs. Everyone has been happy after dealing with SF. Only those who have never ordered from us are still warning others to stay away.
Whether it be detractors spouting their negativity every few weeks, seemingly in waves.
Or the happy customers who are pinning quality gear at a fair price, without fear of being scammed.
Incidentally, a fast glance through this thread would show, the customers vastly outnumber the detractors. Vastly. From 10+year vets, to first post noobs. Everyone has been happy after dealing with SF. Only those who have never ordered from us are still warning others to stay away.
Kudos SF for respecting everyone's stance. Not easy to do. :thumbup:
Anybody ever hear of R.I.C.O? The feds could very easily hit any of these sources with it. Sentencing starts at 15yrs there. The only way to get a sentence reduction is turning informant and cooperating fully with the feds, Doing so will take a few yrs off the sentence which is mandated by the Fed sentencing guidelines, Nobody walks away from the feds. Everyone will do time no matter how small they are.
I did time with a guy caught up in a conspiracy case. I read his discovery. 2 yrs before the feds wrapped up the case he gave a guy a ride to his connects house,,,,one time. He had no criminal history before that. He got 7 yrs and some months. Nightmare.
I did time with a guy caught up in a conspiracy case. I read his discovery. 2 yrs before the feds wrapped up the case he gave a guy a ride to his connects house,,,,one time. He had no criminal history before that. He got 7 yrs and some months. Nightmare.
steroidsfax
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Do, I think customers should be concerned?
--I am both a customer of SF and the SF rep. I think people who break the law should always be concerned, that concern/fear makes you careful. I do not believe the bust of the RI remailers will have ANY EFFECT on an SF customer.
Am I concerned?
--After doing time myself, I am concerned yes. Concerned for the men who are going to jail over attempting to distribute steroids. Concerned for their families, and the families of those they snitched on for a lighter sentence. Concerned for Karl. Not concerned the government is going to come after myself or any of the several friends both online and in real life, who I have referred to SF.
Are our payment options safe?
--This question has been hashed and rehashed. There is no such thing as a safe payment method. No such thing as a safe way to break the law. Even with a fake name at WU/MG. Which Millard has already pointed out is far from fool proof. We offer the industry standard for payment methods. WU/MG payments are the forms I personally believe to be the MOST SAFE. Not SAFE in the sense that nothing can go wrong, but a method every vet on this forum has used. And most likely, will continue to use.
Kamala, how many customers have been prosecuted from three of the largest busts in recent memory? It seems like people are suggesting that SCIROXX is on the brink of disaster, and customers shouldn't order from any reseller(although the topic is only being posted in the SF thread). So, as history is the best indicator when predicting the future. How many guys were busted for ordering 2-3 cycles/ year (average for any regular user) from the following recently busted sources?
Axio/GenXXL
MuscleBear
UncleZ
I have asked this question several times and am always answered with silence. It is a genuine question, not a rhetorical or argumentative one. I personally didn't hear of any, customers being busted. But I have shown in this thread through my "ridiculous" questions, that I clearly don't know everything.
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I haven't heard of customers prosecuted either but I believe it's only because the feds have chosen not to persue charges. It wouldn't surprise me, if at some point, the feds decide to go after a large number of buyers just to use as a deterence. They are an easy target in most cases. Most customers are unaware of just how much of their personal info is available to the feds during online transactions or even just visiting websites and you can be sure all the major sources are under constant surveillance by the dea. You might recall the owners of British Dragon were shocked to learn how much the feds knew about their operation and it's a pretty sure bet they had plenty of info on customers.
BTW, I don't believe Sciroxx is under any more scrutiny than any other well known ugl. To believe otherwise would only create a false sense of security, IMO. Be careful out there!
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I don't know of customers being cracked, but that doesn't mean anything. They could have been. They could be hit in another conspiracy.
I've said all I can and I'm not going to fill this thread with anything else. Good luck people.
I've said all I can and I'm not going to fill this thread with anything else. Good luck people.
Perhaps it's best to simplify the issue.
Although it may "not matter" as a consumer I would rather NOT be even remotely associated with the "illegal activities" of a company involved in an ongoing federal investigation!
Although some may call that suggestion "paranoia" I call it a "no brainer"!
Jim
Although it may "not matter" as a consumer I would rather NOT be even remotely associated with the "illegal activities" of a company involved in an ongoing federal investigation!
Although some may call that suggestion "paranoia" I call it a "no brainer"!
Jim
No silence here, in the crown drugs case a lot of customers were hit after the feds kept the site up and kept taking orders..... Its just a matter of time until it happens again.
1 more question before I leave this thread, how many people on this forum have multiple accounts and work for your company? Its just a question, I'm not implying anything or attacking....... Its just a question.
attic
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what is the preferred anonymous mail sevice? why is safe mail not an acceptable service? i know very little about all this and this seems like important info to get out there. obviously i wouldnt use my actual email,
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bobsmith@yahoo.comsteroidsfax
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There are only 2 people on this forum who have ever received a freebie from SF.
Myself and Sworder.
Sworder is no longer working with us. Not because he did anything wrong, simply because we decided to move in another direction.
So that leaves me. I am the only SF employee on this site. 100% of the reviews left here, are authentic. No one else who speaks positively of SF does so for any ulterior motive.
Hard to believe with the constant echoing of positivity eh? I thought the same thing before taking over the REP account.
steroidsfax
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With the crackdown on Sciroxx, I am afraid of the potential repercussions to the consumer. How would this potentially affect us? should we lie low and use other sources for now? How safe is it now?
steroidsfax
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Im never going to use the word "safe" to describe breaking the law.
Its not SAFE to order from any source.
We are one of 100's of Sciroxx resellers. When Axio was busted their resellers didn't all drop off too. And none of their consumers were busted, to anyone's knowledge. Same for Z. Same for 99.9% of other busts.
It is BEYOND RARE for consumers to be targeted for prosecution. If I didn't believe this, I wouldn't hold the position that I do. As a REP the danger to myself is far greater than the perceived danger to consumers.
Bottomline is the FEDs work UP the foodchain not down. That is their MO.
Could they depart from this at some point? I suppose so, but again if I thought our consumers were in danger, would I be here?
Do you really think the FEDs are not perfectly aware of ANY major player in AAS? Its simply not logical, every major player is on their radar.
You could always go buy from someone who is brewing in their home, and take a different set of risks.
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Its not SAFE to order from any source.
We are one of 100's of Sciroxx resellers. When Axio was busted their resellers didn't all drop off too. And none of their consumers were busted, to anyone's knowledge. Same for Z. Same for 99.9% of other busts.
It is BEYOND RARE for consumers to be targeted for prosecution. If I didn't believe this, I wouldn't hold the position that I do. As a REP the danger to myself is far greater than the perceived danger to consumers.
Bottomline is the FEDs work UP the foodchain not down. That is their MO.
Could they depart from this at some point? I suppose so, but again if I thought our consumers were in danger, would I be here?
Do you really think the FEDs are not perfectly aware of ANY major player in AAS? Its simply not logical, every major player is on their radar.
You could always go buy from someone who is brewing in their home, and take a different set of risks.
Potency
Purity
Etc.
Paranoia in this business is a good thing. No chlorpromazine needed.
We know about the ongoing investagtion of Sciroxx today - last week, we didn't.
The question is: How many other sources are under active investigations that we don't know about? The answer to that question has to be all of them or people leave themselves vulnerable. If people choose to order online, they must first learn to completely isolate their online identity from their real one. That would be a great topic for someone that has the know-how to write an article about.
"Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive." -- Andy Grove, former chairman Intel
This is why I'm a big advocate of multiple identities for anonymity. I'd take it a step further and say it's not enough to separate your online identity from your real one. But you need to separate an identity for each and every transaction/vendor.
IF your online forum identity has 2,344 posts on 12 different forums, that's quite an extensive digital trail that could have an unnerving amount of identifying information. Why would you want to use that online identity to place an order?
I know there are good reasons - like getting good discounts, freebies because you can prove you're a vet with clout - but this has nothing to do with anonymity and safety.
I just hope your not stretching the truth that's all.
Excellent points, Millard. It's something I hadn't considered before. I suspect people unknowingly divulge more personal details in their posts than they realize and as you say, a single identity would make i easier to tie it all together.
I'm not much a tech guy but I've often wondered if it's possible for LE to capture IP's from your servers without you being aware of their presence? Or anyone elses servers? Or to read PM's?
Romulus
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If that is even possible. I agree--great topic for an article.
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