[StrongGear] [Test E]-[Bloodwork] [Timing Protocol]

[Boilermech]

Results are in. Test Enanthate only at 2ml/wk pinning only once a week. 600mgs a week (supposedly)
First pics are pre-cycle bloods
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Next pic is 4 weeks into cycle blood drawn at 24hrs after last pin of test E with no AI
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Next 3 pics are 6 weeks into test E cycle with taking adex .5mg eod. 24hrs, 48hrs, and 72hrs after last pin.
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[Benny]

Looks like another sadly under dosed test E.

 

[dmt31]

Looking at this more @Boilermech this is interesting

At 4 weeks, your 24 hour pin is higher than your 72 hour pin at 6 weeks, and quite frankly all of your 6 week bloods... the only difference between week 4 and week 6 is your AI correct? could taking an AI really alter your TT levels this much?

@Colt44 any thoughts?

 

[Boilermech]

Looking at this more @Boilermech this is interesting

At 4 weeks, your 24 hour pin is higher than your 72 hour pin at 6 weeks, and quite frankly all of your 6 week bloods... the only difference between week 4 and week 6 is your AI correct? could taking an AI really alter your TT levels this much?

@Colt44 any thoughts?

Yes only difference was Adex EOD. at .5mg
That one has me wondering also. I mean seriously that's all it could be I would think??????

 

[dmt31]

@Boilermech So we either need to figure out if more info about this exists or we need to start taking it into account, which will fucking everything up lol... this is very intersting though

 

[jymis]

Was week 6 a different bottle?

 

[Boilermech]

Was week 6 a different bottle?

Yes, part of the 5th week pin was from another vial and all of 6th week but it was the same batch #

 

[Boilermech]

Just for the record I'm not too concerned about how underdosed the gear is. Yes it sucks but I'll live to do another cycle.
Main purpose for this blood work was to try and figure out what the best timing was to have blood drawn while taking testosterone enanthate.

 

[Kinikuman]

Yes, part of the 5th week pin was from another vial and all of 6th week but it was the same batch #

What was that batch #?

 

[Boilermech]

What was that batch #?

05/31/2014
Red tops

 

[ruckin]

This is very interesting. What day did you take your adex dose, in relation to the day you pinned? I see that you're taking it eod.

There is data out there showing that adex hinders gains and this seems to back that up, and somewhat explain why .

 

[Kinikuman]

05/31/2014
Red tops

Thanks. I guess this means the quality issues have been around for MS since Spring.

 

[ruckin]

Also, another thought. I'm under the impression, based on my observations of bloodwork done by guys on pharma test, that the "10x rule" applies when pinning once per week, and when pinning twice per week, the rule is more like the "8x rule", which I think makes sense based on Dr. Scally's 8-10x stuff that he says.

If that is true, and knowing that adex may be hurting tt levels, then using your numbers at 4 weeks, I calculate that the test is about 70% potency, so around 210 mg/ml.

I'm just thinking out loud here, everyone feel free to criticize if you think I'm missing something.

 

[Masters Power]

Thanks for posting Boilermech. No need for you to give blood after all of that bloodwork.

 

[Boilermech]

Also, another thought. I'm under the impression, based on my observations of bloodwork done by guys on pharma test, that the "10x rule" applies when pinning once per week, and when pinning twice per week, the rule is more like the "8x rule", which I think makes sense based on Dr. Scally's 8-10x stuff that he says.

If that is true, and knowing that adex may be hurting tt levels, then using your numbers at 4 weeks, I calculate that the test is about 70% potency, so around 210 mg/ml.

I'm just thinking out loud here, everyone feel free to criticize if you think I'm missing something.

The main factor here could possibly be the second vial was dosed less than the first vial. Yes it was the same batch number but what does that really mean for an UGL.
I don't think the adex would effect the T levels that much. I believe the adex hinders gains simply because it prevents a lot of the water weight.

 

[Colt44]

Looking at this more @Boilermech this is interesting

At 4 weeks, your 24 hour pin is higher than your 72 hour pin at 6 weeks, and quite frankly all of your 6 week bloods... the only difference between week 4 and week 6 is your AI correct? could taking an AI really alter your TT levels this much?

@Colt44 any thoughts?

The 6 week bloods are on a portion of different gear. If I were a betting man, I'd say most of the variance can be attributed to that.

I wouldn't think his dosing of adex would vary his serum TT values by much. Wouldn't taking adex increase TT values? Maybe @Michael Scally MD can answer that. I don't believe he has answered this question this week. Lol

 

[ruckin]

The main factor here could possibly be the second vial was dosed less than the first vial. Yes it was the same batch number but what does that really mean for an UGL.
I don't think the adex would effect the T levels that much. I believe the adex hinders gains simply because it prevents a lot of the water weight.

Well shit man lol why didn't you say so earlier?

I just reread all of your posts itt and you didn't mention that anywhere, unless I'm still missing it.

 

[Colt44]

Yes, part of the 5th week pin was from another vial and all of 6th week but it was the same batch #

Well shit man lol why didn't you say so earlier?

I just reread all of your posts itt and you didn't mention that anywhere, unless I'm still missing it.

 

[ruckin]

So what was the supposed dosage once you switched in week 5?

 

[Boilermech]

Well shit man lol why didn't you say so earlier?

I just reread all of your posts itt and you didn't mention that anywhere, unless I'm still missing it.

Sorry I've got 3 threads going on about these results, lol. Sorry it's hard to keep track.