SUBOXONE AND MUSCLE GROWTH

[MANWHORE]

ANYONE HERE ON LONG TERM MAINTENACE W/ SUBOXONE AND TRYING TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS? BEEN GOING AT IT FOR THREE YEARS STRONG. FOLLOWED ALL RECOMMENDATIONS WITH DIET AND EXCERSIZE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE MY GAINS ARE ALOT SLOWER THAN WHEN I WAS WEIGHT TRAINING BEFORE BECOMING AN ADDICT THOSE FEW YEARS AGO. THIS PAST YEAR I'VE REALLY BEEN DEBATING WHETHER TO TAKE THE PLUNGE INTO STEROIDS, IN ORDER TO CIRCUMVENT ANY DEFICIENCY OF TESTOSTERONE THAT SUBOXONE MAY BE CAUSING. MY WIFE IS CONCERNED WITH IT TRIGGERING A RELAPSE BECAUSE OF HOW AAS's ARE USED, BUT I HAVE NEVER BEEN A NEEDLE JUNKIE? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

Use kratom to get off the Subs and fuck opiates!
I shot dope coke and pills I even shot tren in the same pin as my dope
I inject steroids and never EVER feel the urge to shoot into my veins anymore. .

BUT seriously get off the Subs
I got the young kid at the UPS store I use for a box off subs with kratom and now he just smokes weed but he said he is bored of that now too. .

 

[WifeBeater]

Use kratom to get off the Subs and fuck opiates!
I shot dope coke and pills I even shot tren in the same pin as my dope
I inject steroids and never EVER feel the urge to shoot into my veins anymore. .

BUT seriously get off the Subs
I got the young kid at the UPS store I use for a box off subs with kratom and now he just smokes weed but he said he is bored of that now too. .

I'm happy for anyone it worked for, but in my experience, that is bad advice. Kratom is a dirty high, but i still got severely addicted for a couple months while trying to detox off the pills. Suboxone saved my life, and only runs me 10 bucks amonth

 

[MANWHORE]

I'm happy for anyone it worked for, but in my experience, that is bad advice. Kratom is a dirty high, but i still got severely addicted for a couple months while trying to detox off the pills. Suboxone saved my life, and only runs me 10 bucks amonth

You just joined? ?

 

[MANWHORE]

Are you a pharmaceutical salesman?

 

[MANWHORE]

Yes and Yes .. I'm guessing

 

[WifeBeater]

IDk? Is this an attempt to be clever? I apologize if i've spoiled your joke but i don't quite understand?

 

[DedLift]

In my experience, if there's a natural way to kick subs without having to go through nasty withdrawals, you take it. Subs made me an emotional zombie. If i had any emotion at all it was just constant anger and irritation. Kratom helped me kick the subs and kicking the kratom was a lot easier than trying to kick subs. Ive given this same advice to people.
I'm not sure what you mean by kratom being a dirty high as i felt pretty good and barely remember any withdrawal

 

[MANWHORE]

In my experience, if there's a natural way to kick subs without having to go through nasty withdrawals, you take it. Subs made me an emotional zombie. If i had any emotion at all it was just constant anger and irritation. Kratom helped me kick the subs and kicking the kratom was a lot easier than trying to kick subs. Ive given this same advice to people.
I'm not sure what you mean by kratom being a dirty high as i felt pretty good and barely remember any withdrawal

He just joined there are guys on here who don't like the idea I help people with kratom..
There are guys on here who don't like me period haha so I wouldn't take this guy too serious..
Like I said he just joined and we all know natural ways are best if having the same outcome like kratom does..

Suboxone is dope as far as I'm concerned you're not clean if you're using a drug and suboxone is just replacing one drug with another

 

[MANWHORE]

IDk? Is this an attempt to be clever? I apologize if i've spoiled your joke but i don't quite understand?

Your post makes no sense it's obvious you don't understand you didn't have to tell us haha I'm going back to work

 

[biggainez77]

ANYONE HERE ON LONG TERM MAINTENACE W/ SUBOXONE AND TRYING TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS? BEEN GOING AT IT FOR THREE YEARS STRONG. FOLLOWED ALL RECOMMENDATIONS WITH DIET AND EXCERSIZE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE MY GAINS ARE ALOT SLOWER THAN WHEN I WAS WEIGHT TRAINING BEFORE BECOMING AN ADDICT THOSE FEW YEARS AGO. THIS PAST YEAR I'VE REALLY BEEN DEBATING WHETHER TO TAKE THE PLUNGE INTO STEROIDS, IN ORDER TO CIRCUMVENT ANY DEFICIENCY OF TESTOSTERONE THAT SUBOXONE MAY BE CAUSING. MY WIFE IS CONCERNED WITH IT TRIGGERING A RELAPSE BECAUSE OF HOW AAS's ARE USED, BUT I HAVE NEVER BEEN A NEEDLE JUNKIE? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

Any long term opiate or opioid dependence is going to totally shut down the body's production of test. In my opion, if one is on some sort of sub. Or methadone maintenance program, etc you need to at least supement with a trt dose of test to see any gains. I shot heroin for 20 years and was a straight bitch on the shit. Then I quit doing the h and took subs that I was buying on the street. I had decent gains but I was taking 200 to 300 mg test a week with some dbol and tren ace. I didn't really research the gear first either. Really wish I had. I eventually relapsed on heroin, but not from the gear. I was not working any sort of a program of recovery. Take the subs, research and run gear, and most importantly work a program and have a support group that is not judgemental of your choices to reach out to you'll be fine

 

[bigpoppachump]

CLONIDINE my friend look it up and research it. Took a friend from 16mg a day to a dead stop cold turkey and 10 days later he had broken free of the subs with no withdrawal other than being sleepy. I recently was on a pain management clinic for de quervains in my thumb and wrist and tendinitis in both elbows. Went from 60mg of Norco and 40mg a day of percocet for 4 months to a dead stop cold turkey and the only side effect was being sleepy. It literally melts away any withdrawal associated with opiates. Wish I'd known about this shit years ago when I was on 110mgs of methadone and running around shooting 10 to 20 bags a day of that good Newark dope.

 

[Nattyboomba]

My experience is in line with everyone else's. I've been an IV addict for almost 15 years, haven't used in 4 but the addiction never fades. That being said, I inject AAS and HGH, as well as peptides and I've not once been triggered, even with 100 ct boxes of hypodermic pins around. My girl was worried for the same reason, but all has been well. I certainly cannot speak for you, but in my opinion, you'd be fine. That being said, well done on your clean time, man

 

[Ambiguous]

I looked the my best juicing on subs. Granted it was all Strango gear. Anyway Your dose probably has a lot to do with it. Tapering down to 2mg is fairly painless and I don't think that dose would effect anything. After 2mg tapering gets tricky.

 

[Ambiguous]

Suboxone kept me lean as fuck while on gear.
I was able to gain quality muscle but I also ran alot of gear. This is what I had the most success on. Meat veggies and fruit diet. Training cardio pace 2x daily for pump hitting as many muscles as possible-- failure through volume

500 test e
300 test a
300 mg tren a
400 mg mast e
600mg eq
50mg win ed
100mg var ed
50mg drol ed
25mg exem ed
.5mg prami ed
2.5iu hgh 2x day

 

[mantus]

CLONIDINE my friend look it up and research it. Took a friend from 16mg a day to a dead stop cold turkey and 10 days later he had broken free of the subs with no withdrawal other than being sleepy. I recently was on a pain management clinic for de quervains in my thumb and wrist and tendinitis in both elbows. Went from 60mg of Norco and 40mg a day of percocet for 4 months to a dead stop cold turkey and the only side effect was being sleepy. It literally melts away any withdrawal associated with opiates. Wish I'd known about this shit years ago when I was on 110mgs of methadone and running around shooting 10 to 20 bags a day of that good Newark dope.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/783136-Clonidine-Works-Wonders-For-My-Opiate-Withdrawal

 

[jJjburton]

ANYONE HERE ON LONG TERM MAINTENACE W/ SUBOXONE AND TRYING TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS? BEEN GOING AT IT FOR THREE YEARS STRONG. FOLLOWED ALL RECOMMENDATIONS WITH DIET AND EXCERSIZE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE MY GAINS ARE ALOT SLOWER THAN WHEN I WAS WEIGHT TRAINING BEFORE BECOMING AN ADDICT THOSE FEW YEARS AGO. THIS PAST YEAR I'VE REALLY BEEN DEBATING WHETHER TO TAKE THE PLUNGE INTO STEROIDS, IN ORDER TO CIRCUMVENT ANY DEFICIENCY OF TESTOSTERONE THAT SUBOXONE MAY BE CAUSING. MY WIFE IS CONCERNED WITH IT TRIGGERING A RELAPSE BECAUSE OF HOW AAS's ARE USED, BUT I HAVE NEVER BEEN A NEEDLE JUNKIE? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?

Suboxone lowers your natural test production. I have been on for 3 yrs suboboxone.
It also inhibits your LH and increases prolactin.

I would say do it

 

[jJjburton]

I put on so much water weight on subs...i could press my shins and make indentations that took minutes to go away...when i came off...i dropped 15+ pounds in a little over a week...i pissed and pissed and pissed like it was my full time job...smh

I get that too its call edema.

 

[jJjburton]

CLONIDINE my friend look it up and research it. Took a friend from 16mg a day to a dead stop cold turkey and 10 days later he had broken free of the subs with no withdrawal other than being sleepy. I recently was on a pain management clinic for de quervains in my thumb and wrist and tendinitis in both elbows. Went from 60mg of Norco and 40mg a day of percocet for 4 months to a dead stop cold turkey and the only side effect was being sleepy. It literally melts away any withdrawal associated with opiates. Wish I'd known about this shit years ago when I was on 110mgs of methadone and running around shooting 10 to 20 bags a day of that good Newark dope.

WOW this is amazing. I will have to try it.

 

[Seve]

I have been on Suboxone since 2006
I played the game for a while of cat and mouse, get high then go back on subs, and even flat out used for six month stretches . My primary care physician wanted to check my test levels because he said Subs and opiates in general are know to lower test. This was years ago before I was into gear and he said I was within "normal " range. That was 2007 and that year I made awesome gains. I love Suboxone. It gives me a nice energy boost . It is a Godsent. I am in the process of starting a support group for opiate addicts on maintince programs
Suboxone gets a bad rap and the reason being is because the addict gets on the program and family members and friends are hopeful only to find out that they have been selling them and getting high. My wife is hardcore AA, even though she was an opiate addicts as well. She is supportive, but the majority of these twelve step programs think of it as pure evil. I know one thing . I can guarantee that I will not get high, and I will not overdose. I get worked up when people have guilt over using this wonderful tool, or they are trying to find a way to get off of them. I have zero intentions of getting off . I do know I will lose some muscle if I were in a casket.

I do apologize if I derailed this thread and I admit that I did not read the entire thread. I get worked up over the topic.