Sudden drop on Testosterone, LH, and FSH... and increase on E2 WTF!

[revenge50]

I finished my cycle on January, I did a 1 month PCT on February and everything has been fine since then, I did bloodwork 1 month ago and everything was back up, my testosterone levels on point, high LH, high FSH, Low E2..... So I decided to do a bloodwork today just in case before beginning my cycle (which I was going to begin tomorrow) and I got these results:

Testosterone: 3.8 (range 3 - 11) Low (value of 7 one month ago)
LH: 2.0 (range 1.1 - 7) Very Low (value of 5.5 one month ago)
FSH: 0.6 (range 1.7 - 12) <---- Very low, out of range (value of 5.7 one month ago)
E2: 49 (range below 68) <--- Very high, his is the highest I've had in my life, I normally have 15. (value of 18 one month ago)

And my prolactin is always on the top of range, but now is in the middle range.. which I guess is good?.. (One month ago: 17, Today: 7. Range: 3 - 25)

For the record, I have no symptons of low test or high E2... If anything the whole contrary.

I mean, WHAT THE HELL??? Last month everything was perfect and why does this suddenly happens??? I haven't taken any steroids since 7 months ago! Is there any logic explanation to this?

I consume a lot of vitamins everyday, but none have to do with lowering Testosterone... My guess is everything is caused because of the low LH and FSH which causes Low Test which causes High E2, am I right? The weirdest is that I have been taking ashwaghanda, tribulus and dopa mucuma daily and these 3 are supposed to increase testosterone (I normally use it while off-cycle and after pct) and the rest are just multivitamin and fish oil... My diet has been very strict, I workout everyday... I even feel great! No symptoms of low test or high E2 at all!

Might this be a lab error? I was going to start my cycle today but I guess I'll wait another month and do another blood work... Any recommendations for this? Is this normal?

 

[Iron Frenchie]

Lots of factors.
You take the test right when you woke up?
Last time you consumed alcohol?
How was your sleep that night?
Last time you trained before the test?

 

[revenge50]

Lots of factors.
You take the test right when you woke up?
Last time you consumed alcohol?
How was your sleep that night?
Last time you trained before the test?

I woke up at 7:30 am and did the bloodwork at 9 am after showering and getting dressed, no food or drinks.
I drank alcohol 10 days ago, got wasted.
I slept fine.
And I trained 1 day before doing the test, does that have anything to do?

 

[Iron Frenchie]

I woke up at 7:30 am and did the bloodwork at 9 am after showering and getting dressed, no food or drinks.
I drank alcohol 10 days ago, got wasted.
I slept fine.
And I trained 1 day before doing the test, does that have anything to do?

Very strange.... your FSH is crazy low. This is out of my league. We are also missing a huge part of the picture which is free test. The best answer is stop taking the supplements and retest. For all we know one of the supplements is a sarm causing slight suppression.

 

[Dr JIM]

Did you ever conduct baseline labs BEFORE cycling ANYTHING?

When did your PCT begin and end precisely

The most likely cause of a downturn such as yours? The incomplete clearance of an exogenous compound such as SERMS.

You'll need to compare the labs done one month ago to your pre-AAS baseline.

Posting a COPY of your most recent labs, may also help.

 

[revenge50]

Did you ever conduct baseline labs BEFORE cycling ANYTHING?

When did your PCT begin and end precisely

The most likely cause of a downturn such as yours? The incomplete clearance of an exogenous compound such as SERMS.

You'll need to compare the labs done one month ago to your pre-AAS baseline.

Posting a COPY of your most recent labs, may also help.

Hello, yes of course, I have done a ton of blood test, I would paste the copy but it's all in another language so you wouldn't understand anything lol... This was before my first cycle:

January 2017 (Never used steroids before)

Testosterone: 10.9 (range 3 - 11)
LH: 3.3 (range 1.1 - 7)
FSH: 4.4 (range 1.7 - 12)
E2: 17 (range below 68)
Prolactin: 18.9 (range 3 - 25)

My last cycle was from November 2017 to January 2018 (12 weeks), I waited 3 weeks after injecting Test E (500 mg per week) and Primo E (400 mg per week) and I also used hCG during the cycle as well as Arimidex. PCT was 4 weeks of Clomid 75/50/50/25 and Nolvadex 40/40/20/20. I didn't do any blood test immediately after PCT because I know it takes time for the body to recover, so I waited around 5 months (which was the Blood Test I did a month ago, July 2018), and it was the results I posted at the top, which show everything was going back up fine.

And these are my results BEFORE beginning my last cycle on

November 2017 (before the last cycle, 6 months after PCT of the first cycle):

Testosterone: 9.2 (range 3 - 11)
LH: 3.03 (range 1.1 - 7)
FSH: 4.67 (range 1.7 - 12)
E2: 17.5 (range below 68)
Prolactin: 16.5 (range 3 - 25)

As you can see, everything was back on track I believe? So started my 12-week second cycle. Finished it on January 2018 and finished PCT on February 2018.

I will post my latest bloowork so you don't have to scroll back up:

July 2018 (5 months after PCT, 1 month ago)

Testosterone: 7 (range 3 - 11)
LH: 5.5 (range 1.1 - 7)
FSH: 5.7 (range 1.7 - 12)
E2: 18 (range below 68)
Prolactin: 16.5 (range 3 - 25)

I assume the recovery was going good, right?

August 2018 (6 months after PCT, yesterday)

Testosterone: 3.8 (range 3 - 11)
LH: 2.0 (range 1.1 - 7)
FSH: 0.6 (range 1.7 - 12)
E2: 49 (range below 68)
Prolactin: 7.5 (range 3 - 25)

Everything is fucked up for some reason!

My biggest question... How could I have recovered well according to the bloodwork from 1 month ago, and then suddenly just have a drop on Testosterone, FSH, LH and increase on E2? I haven't changed anything, if anything I have been working out even more and have a better, overall diet... I might be wondering if what fucked me up was the daily intake of Tribulus, Ashwagandha, and Dopa Mucuma? But I have been taking Ashwagandha for a long time, even before taking steroids, since I know it has a lot of benefits (other than the supposed increase of testosterone) and Tribulus helped a lot for my last off cycle recovery, but I have been taking it daily since 5 months ago, so I don't know if that had some side effects on the Testosterone/FSH/LH/E2... However I think I would have noticed that on the bloodwork from last month and not on this one.

I forgot to mention I also take a small dose of Yohimbine daily, around 5mg per day, which I have read that it's a minimal dose for what the body requires for it to actually work.

Sorry for too much information but I hope this detailed information actually can help someone in the future.

My plans for now are to keep researching for what causes this, and take no supplements at all for 1 month and then test everything again, if everything keeps going bad I will start another PCT protocol I guess.

 

[master.on]

I finished my cycle on January, I did a 1 month PCT on February and everything has been fine since then, I did bloodwork 1 month ago and everything was back up, my testosterone levels on point, high LH, high FSH, Low E2..... So I decided to do a bloodwork today just in case before beginning my cycle (which I was going to begin tomorrow) and I got these results:

Testosterone: 3.8 (range 3 - 11) Low (value of 7 one month ago)
LH: 2.0 (range 1.1 - 7) Very Low (value of 5.5 one month ago)
FSH: 0.6 (range 1.7 - 12) <---- Very low, out of range (value of 5.7 one month ago)
E2: 49 (range below 68) <--- Very high, his is the highest I've had in my life, I normally have 15. (value of 18 one month ago)

And my prolactin is always on the top of range, but now is in the middle range.. which I guess is good?.. (One month ago: 17, Today: 7. Range: 3 - 25)

For the record, I have no symptons of low test or high E2... If anything the whole contrary.

I mean, WHAT THE HELL??? Last month everything was perfect and why does this suddenly happens??? I haven't taken any steroids since 7 months ago! Is there any logic explanation to this?

I consume a lot of vitamins everyday, but none have to do with lowering Testosterone... My guess is everything is caused because of the low LH and FSH which causes Low Test which causes High E2, am I right? The weirdest is that I have been taking ashwaghanda, tribulus and dopa mucuma daily and these 3 are supposed to increase testosterone (I normally use it while off-cycle and after pct) and the rest are just multivitamin and fish oil... My diet has been very strict, I workout everyday... I even feel great! No symptoms of low test or high E2 at all!

Might this be a lab error? I was going to start my cycle today but I guess I'll wait another month and do another blood work... Any recommendations for this? Is this normal?

Get bloodwork again, to confirm if it's a lab mistake.

If E2 reads high again, add some AI ASAP.

 

[AIRBORNE DADDY]

This is blowing my mind...if it was right after PCT and levels fall I can understand...but you've got more than enough time post PCT , months and months where u recovered and now opposite direction....balls we're working as well as the brain...now it seem signals are not being sent or theyre not being responded to. I'm no authority but I don't think poor sleep or a night out, etc...would drastically effect ur lh and fsh....please keep us posted.

 

[Jstone2]

Get bloodwork again, to confirm if it's a lab mistake.

If E2 reads high again, add some AI ASAP.

His E2 is still within range, and the least of his problems right now. He doesn't need any AI asap, he needs to figure out what is causing the low t, lh, and fsh.

Wish I could help revenge50, but I have never seen anything like what your experiencing. I couldnt imagine the supplements being the cause.

 

[master.on]

IMO something's suppressing LH-FSH

@revenge50 are you bridging now?
Are you taking any Proviron, Dbol, SARMs, supplements or anything else that may shut you down?
If not, the only thing I can think of is vegetable phytoestrogens.

 

[Fariaia]

Shit man, that sucks! And your testo did not get back to normal levels after your second cycle. i wonder if thats expected, since I would think one gets back to normal ranges after a cycle with proper pct, specially you used only primo and test...