Sus cycle for lean/cutting?

[gerard1]

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[joe shmoe]

just about anytime you use AAS, you'll need PCT(clomid and hCG).

do 500mg/wk of sust. one 250mg shot monday. one 250mg shot thursday or friday.

while dieting/losing fat, your calorie intake will be lowered. atleast it should be. 500mg/wk will fight off catabolism while dieting and doing lots of cardio, and at the same time it'll help put on a few pounds of good lean muscle if your diet is correct.

ALWAYS have nolva incase gyno comes about.

have a nice day

 

[gerard1]

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[deadguy]

Gerard, since you have been off for 10 years, this will be like starting over for you. Your body will soak it up like a sponge. Honestly, you could stay as low as 250mg/wk on sust and see something. Problem is, you would have to divide that into 1/2ml every 3 days. I don;t know about you, but only pushing in 1/2ml is pointless LOL. Seriously though, you won;t need huge amounts of gear, especially since you only wish to maintain what you have and possibly add a few more. Good luck

 

[gerard1]

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[gman67]

Deadguy, can you explain further? Why would I have to divide? I thought they came in 250/ml. Would I not just use that once per week? Or does it need to be spread out more evenly?
Thx

Spreading out the dose is logical as it lends to more stable blood levels but it isn't the end all...at my highest bodyweight I was injecting 3cc test 1 time each wk. Many guys I know personally know nothing about spreading the injects out and make excellent gains...would it be better to spread them out,,yes,,is it mandatory,,no. And I agree at your bodyweight you could probably achieve your goals with 1cc per wk.

 

[gerard1]

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[gman67]

gman67,

Would you bother with novaldex during, or clomid after, for a cycle that only uses one cc a week for, say, 6 or 7 weeks??
If I want to divide the dose into two, after snapping open the ampul, I guess I'd just load two darts at that time, and put one away for a few days (its not gonna go bad in the dart, right?).
Thx yet again..

I'd have the nolva on hand just in case and yes you'll need to do some sort of pct,,and no it won't go bad in the dart in just a few days.

6 or 7 wks myself I would go with prop,,it's faster acting and you'll see gains quicker,,sust I would run for 10-12 wks.

 

[deadguy]

gman67,

Would you bother with novaldex during, or clomid after, for a cycle that only uses one cc a week for, say, 6 or 7 weeks??
If I want to divide the dose into two, after snapping open the ampul, I guess I'd just load two darts at that time, and put one away for a few days (its not gonna go bad in the dart, right?).
Thx yet again..

Gerard..the main reason for splitting up the sust is because of the faster acting esters in the sust blend. A 7 day gap between injects will leave you without a continuous benefit from the quicker acting esters..and, as mentioned by GMAN, to keep blood levels more stable. Nolva should be kept just in case. Use it at your discretion if needed

 

[cathex]

gman67,

Would you bother with novaldex during, or clomid after, for a cycle that only uses one cc a week for, say, 6 or 7 weeks??
If I want to divide the dose into two, after snapping open the ampul, I guess I'd just load two darts at that time, and put one away for a few days (its not gonna go bad in the dart, right?).
Thx yet again..

You will definitely need pct cos this stuff, in fact any AAS, will shut you down after about 2 weeks bro.

 

[gerard1]

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[gman67]

When I did injectable Winstrol for 8 weeks way back, I didn't need any Nov. or Clomid, nothing shut down, and the only side effect was a 10-15% elevation in my BP during the cycle. However, maybe sus is a different story.

OK, so here is another couple dumb ones...
1. How exactly do you know if/when you need to start Novaldex?
2. Same question for Clomid (please don't say its gonna be a tic tac....heh heh)..

By the way...did their used to be a drug, similar use as Clomid, but called APO (was that a brand of HCG??)? Just seem to remember hearing that in the past...

1. If you start to get itchy and sensitive nips.
2. Just do a search on clomid

Trust me you'll need pct with sust. You're introducing exogenus test into your body,,your bodies own natural test production will shut down. Hence why you want to get the boys working as quick as possible.

 

[intensity123]

if I were you I would go with at least 500mg a week-anything less would probably only shut down and replace your natural test level
run the clomid for at least 3 weeks after your cycle to get your natural test back online and running-as for the nolvadex don't run unless you need to because it shuts down some of the cell receptors and prevents you from optimizing the full effect of AS-use the nolvadex if you start to see symptoms of gyno-sore or itchy nips...personally I run clomid from start to finish and then 3 weeks after a cycle-this just reduces the shrinkage of my balls but I still loose a some size

 

[gerard1]

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[cathex]

Hmmm....what about 1cc of sus per week divided into two doses, plus 25mg oral winny (liqua tech brand?) every second day?

What you have to do is just try it. I know people who take very little AAS and get the type of gains you're looking for and more on top of that. Golden rule, we're all similar but different so suck it and see bro. You don't want to take more than you need to. Not because of the health risks - cos at that dosage it's negligible IMO - but simply cos it's a waist of money.

I've heard of people using winny and not needing to use any pct but believe me test will shut you down. The drill goes like this. If your balls shrink you'll need to get them back online first, hence the use of HCG cos without them up to size you'll not benefit so much from the next stage of recovery.

Then you'll need to get producing you own test again (next stage of recovery), hence the use of Clomid and/or nolva. I will stress though, that unless your nuts have shrunk, you won't need HCG. In fact using that stuff when you don't need to can cause the very condition you're trying to remedy.

With regards to the use of nolva mid-cycle to arrest gyno, I would just not bother, go with arimidex that way you still benefit fully from the sus. You want to take about 0.25mg/500mg of test, as a rule of thumb.

All the best.

 

[Mr. Masse]

If for test, all you have access to is Sustanon, you could try this;

Cycle Length 8-10wks.

Sustanon 250 - 1/2ml 4x/wk (more stable blood levels as stated above)
Winny - 50mg/day, or EOD
Femera 2.5mg - EOD (if you can find it) or
Arimidex 1mg - EOD (if you can find it)

PCT ( a must IMO)

Femera or Arimidex run throught PCT

HCG
Day 1-10 - 500iu - 1000iu

Clomid
Day 1 - 100mg
Day 2 - 21 - 50mg

If you're not familiar with Femera, or Arimidex, both are powerful estrogen agonists meaning they prevent the formation of estrogen rather than block it in the case of Tamoxifen (Nolvadex). Actually preventing the formation of estrogen will have obvious consequences on Gyno, in addition less estrogen means less water, which I'm thinking would be a good thing for you as a cylcist.

And one thing on the Winny, it seriously screws up blood lipids, so just be aware of that once you get your bloodwork done after your PCT is finished.

 

[gerard1]

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[bronco944]

at 5'10 180 pounds and wanting to lose a decent amount of fat as you say, i dont think you realy need juice. but since im sure your gonna anywyas, jsut stick with your sust. dont listen to anyone else here sayin you need femara, arimidex, winny. stick to teh basics. nolva on ahnd, clomid for post cycle. and an amp of sust e3d for 10 weeks. that works out to around 588 mg's per week or so and will keep your blood levels stable enough for your goals.
another option you have would be eq only. wich i think would be beter for your goals. since your not trying to gain a lot of muscle and jsut mostly maintain while dieting eq would be a good choice. you also wont need to worry about estrogen with it sa it dosnt aromatize at a large enough rate to cause a problem. of course youll still need either nolva or clomid post cycle.

 

[Mr. Masse]

dont listen to anyone else here sayin you need femara, arimidex,

Gerard, do your research on Aromatase Inhibitors. Another good board to learn about intelligent cycling and use of various different substances, including AI's is www.anabolicextreme.com. MT is a very good source of knowledge there, and you'll learn alot.

Around my neck of the woods, most (in the know) are using Arimidex, or Femera which tackle the estrogen problem at the root, not merely the symptoms as with Tamoxifen. In the end it's up to you to take whatever precautions you deem neccessary. I however am no longer willing to take the risk, having had gyno surgery ....twice, and while using Nolvadex. I've been using Femera (by prescription) for my past 5 or 6 cycles with abslolutely no problems at all.

Just do your research bro.

Peace.

 

[Aku]

Gerard, do your research on Aromatase Inhibitors. Another good board to learn about intelligent cycling and use of various different substances, including AI's is www.anabolicextreme.com. MT is a very good source of knowledge there, and you'll learn alot.

Around my neck of the woods, most (in the know) are using Arimidex, or Femera which tackle the estrogen problem at the root, not merely the symptoms as with Tamoxifen. In the end it's up to you to take whatever precautions you deem neccessary. I however am no longer willing to take the risk, having had gyno surgery ....twice, and while using Nolvadex. I've been using Femera (by prescription) for my past 5 or 6 cycles with abslolutely no problems at all.

Just do your research bro.

Peace.

Mr.Masse even at those low dosage he needs to use arimidex or femara?
All those toxins for such a low dose?
I understand those who use it, are very much prone to water retention (bloat) causing high blood pressure, plus estrogen causing gyno....but those are users who uses high doses of AAS...