Sus cycle for lean/cutting?

[Mr. Masse]

Mr.Masse even at those low dosage he needs to use arimidex or femara?
All those toxins for such a low dose?
I understand those who use it, are very much prone to water retention (bloat) causing high blood pressure, plus estrogen causing gyno....but those are users who uses high doses of AAS...

I know guys that have developed gyno after three or four shots at 'low' dosages. He (Gerard) doesn't have to use an AI at all if he chooses. 500mg of Sust is low by todays standards, but my first cycle (1991) ran 6 weeks with 1 shot of Sust (250mg), and one shot of Deca (200mg) per week. I gained 16 lbs.

For some reason I was lucky and didn' t run into gyno problems until a few cycles later, Arimidex and Femera had not been invented yet, and I couldn't afford Nolvadex back then. The point is you never know. I'm no longer a Russian Roulette kinda guy, but as I mentioned in my last post, those using must asses the risks, and make a decision based on those risks.

Cheers.

 

[gymrat1977]

And one thing on the Winny, it seriously screws up blood lipids, so just be aware of that once you get your bloodwork done after your PCT is finished.[/QUOTE]
Can you explain more about the blood lipids being screwed up? Why would this matter? sorry for the stupid question, but I also get tested.

 

[Mr. Masse]

And one thing on the Winny, it seriously screws up blood lipids, so just be aware of that once you get your bloodwork done after your PCT is finished.

Can you explain more about the blood lipids being screwed up? Why would this matter? sorry for the stupid question, but I also get tested.[/QUOTE]
I'll have to dig up the research again. When I do, I'll post it here.

Peace.

 

[john_phillips]

at 5'10 180 pounds and wanting to lose a decent amount of fat as you say, i dont think you realy need juice.

I whole-heartedly agree with that!! 10 pounds of weight loss is only a couple of months without AAS. Additions of clen, maybe an eca or other current thermo will help along the way and you wouldn't have to worry about pct and gyno stuff. Stay natural!!

Good luck!

JaPe

 

[gerard1]

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[john_phillips]

John,
Thx for the reply. I do agree that 10 pounds weight loss doesn't require AAS for me. I do plan to try clen. However, I did want a milder AAS to use to gain a little muscle in my lower body, legs and abs, and so was looking at the AAS for that. I know that roids won't melt fat off of me.
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What I have found is that leaning and gaining quality muscle are tough to do simultaneously. It's possible, but not as effective cutting, then focusing on building mass.

Generally the leaner your body is, the better it responds to switching over to a growth phase especially one backed with test. My two cents?
Run a fat loss program to get to you desired weight (clen, eca, etc). At that point your body is primed to grow...THEN start with test. As sust has a short and a long releasing form of test, you realistically need to take a does every two or three days to take full advantage of it

When you say build leg strength, and you mentioned cycling, what sort of training were you planning on? Full brute strength movements (like squats) will build you the size and strength you are looking for, but you will also need saddle time to keep your endurance capacity up for your rides. heavy intervals on non lifting days should help balance the training out.

Good luck and if you have other questions, post 'em up. there's some really knowledgeable folks aboard this board.

JaPe

 

[gerard1]

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[john_phillips]

I may do that, do the diet/clen first, then look at some sus and winny. Maybe even just winny, not sure. I spend a lot of time on the bike regardless, a lot of interval and hill climb work to really tax the legs. But I'll also be going into the gym and doing very light upperbody work, and lower body exercises like incline leg press, leg extensions, leg curls, and calf raises. And then abdominal work.
I'll add that, at 5'10, 175-178, I believe I currently have roughly 19% body fat. I don't look fat, and my friends always think I'm nuts when I say I need to lose weight, but knowing that I used to race at a weight of 150 at the same height (I was a rake up top...), I know I have a lot of fat to lose. I've been as high as 200 during a long athletic lay off (7 years) while traveling for work. Have since lost 20 pounds racing again, but am having a tough time getting rid of another 10-15 pounds..

Dad?!

Your stats sound pretty damn near my pop's stats. He gets rail thin towards the end of summer. But come winter time...boy can he pack it on! I think that's where I get it from. Last winter I think he was over 180, Of course he would never admit to it though.

Anyways, the training looks good, but I would strongly suggest putting squats at the heart of your leg training unless you have a limiting condition not allowing you to do so. I could go on and on about the benefits of squatting, but they are king for overall mass building, strength increases, yadda, yadda, yadda. I have seen a lot of guys complain about having "bad genes" and that's why they don't have big powerful legs. But these are the same guys who never get under a squat bar. GOTTA, GOTTA, GOTTA!!

JaPe

 

[Mr. Masse]

John,

Thx for the reply. I do agree that 10 pounds weight loss doesn't require AAS for me. I do plan to try clen. However, I did want a milder AAS to use to gain a little muscle in my lower body, legs and abs, and so was looking at the AAS for that. I know that roids won't melt fat off of me.
As for the lipids thing, I would like to hear more as well. I admit that I really had no intention of going to the doctors office afterwards and asking him to send me to the hospital to get blood tests done. He might ask why?

You should always be upfront with your Doc about what you're doing, i.e. using AAS or whatever. You should try and always get your bloodwork done after each cycle, and PCT if you go that route. This way you can keep a close eye on any detrimental health effects that may arise from the use of some of these sustances.
If you end up getting a lecture from your Doc about your desicision to use AAS, then it's time to find a new doctor. I'm upfront with my Doc about everything, and give him my rationale for requesting RX's, and he hasn't turned me down yet. I do not ask him for AAS however, strictly for ancilliaries.

Cheers.

 

[Mr. Masse]

I'll see if I can find more info on Stanozolol's adverse effects on blood lipids, until then, I asked MT at AE, and here's what he had to say;

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The more I work with people using winny, the less I like that drug.

I have no links for you. I can only say that, from seeing lots of post cycle bloodwork, winny users frequently come away with unbalanced blood lipids, and it seems to take quite some time for them to recover.

I would also add that winny does a real number on the liver enzymes, too.
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[Aku]

Isn't there a law that enables a insurance agency to have full access a persons medical history?

 

[bronco944]

Isn't there a law that enables a insurance agency to have full access a persons medical history?

hmm i thought there was a law preventing this (doctor-patient confidentiality act)

 

[Aku]

hmm i thought there was a law preventing this (doctor-patient confidentiality act)

you know a couple of years back this was an issue over at another board, that an insurance agency had access.
i'll look it up and see if I can link it here...or do a cut and paste....

 

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WRONG.. DON'T TELL HIM..

He will list this info on your chart.. your insurance co has access to your chart.. so do other doctors and whoever works in his office..

Some jobs will ask to see med records and insurance decisions are certainly effected by admiting to using illegal injectable drugs..

Once the insurace co's get this info they put it into their database and the entire world will have access to your records..

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i agree with ironman. i'd only tell your doc if something is seriously wrong with you. i had pneumonia in the middle of my first cycle and told my doc because i was worried about interactions with the meds he was putting me on. i got the third degree on roids for about 10 minutes, PLUS he listed it in the computer.

BUT - i don't think the insurance companies have access to your medical charts. they do have access to previous claims you've filed, none of which should list anything about steroid use.

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BUT - i don't think the insurance companies have access to your medical charts. they do have access to previous claims you've filed, none of which should list anything about steroid use.

When you get insurance you sign a waiver giving the ins co access to your medical records.. Shit years ago I told a doc I drank a 6 pack a day and he put in my chart that I had an alcohol abuse condition.. 10 years later when I was getting life ins with another company that came up..

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all depends on your doctor, the first time i did a sust cycle it was becuse he mentioned it to me. Of course he did not talk to me about cycles and doesges and such. it all depneds if you have a good relation ship with him and trust him not to be a lame dick and write it down.....

Hell for me the long life of deca and sust i like them becuse the last time i went 2 1/2 years with out haveing to end upo in the hospital. Great STUFF everyone should do it.... *grins*
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WRONG.. DON'T TELL HIM..

He will list this info on your chart.. your insurance co has access to your chart.. so do other doctors and whoever works in his office..

Some jobs will ask to see med records and insurance decisions are certainly effected by admiting to using illegal injectable drugs..

Once the insurace co's get this info they put it into their database and the entire world will have access to your records..

ironman is on point. i just bought LTC = Long Term Care Coverage and the insurance company reviewed my medical records to make sure i was not on any medication or had any pre-existing condition. i was able to get a lower premium due to my good health. My Doc never included my gear use in his reports.

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If you feel you need to tell the Doc, tell him that it is off the record and you would appreciate it if he did not write it down. If he says that he cannot do that, then do not tell him.

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[Aku]

well that was one of the threads...I hope names mentioned will not get upset with me posting....
there are numerous threads out there.....

 

[Mr. Masse]

In Canada, anything you tell your Doc is strictly confidential. If that is not the case in the US, that certainly sucks azz.