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I have emailed you a couple of times in the past week and private messaged you here as well but I haven't gotten a response yet (even though you have been online in the forums and posted a few times during that period). I know that you are very busy and that is expected. What I would like to know though, do you give some sort of priority in your response scheduling to people who are working with you on a consultation basis or who you are currently treating etc? The reason I ask is because when/if I do sign up for that, I would like to communication between you, my doctor and myself to be as smooth as possible.

Thanks
 
I've got SWALE as my care doc currently and will eventually be switching to a consultation basis as soon as I can get a decent PCP. Anyway, I share that to let you know that I understand how SWALE works.

He has a metric assload (yes that is a technically accurate measurement :D ) of patients from direct TRT patients (such as myself who got on board before he changed the rules), consult patients and even AAS patients who need help with their health outside of the AAS realm. So, as you can imagine he's a busy guy. Typically I give him two weeks notice whenever there's anything I need. If he's having an extremely busy week it may take him a bit extra. Plus, he frequently speaks at various functions all over the world which also takes time from him.

If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that he spends over 14 hours a day working on his patients (to include his physical practice). He then comes on here for probably an hour or so every couple of days and answers questions. Add in his sleep time and some personal time and you can begin to understand why it takes some time.

I used to get upset and mad and bitch about him taking too much time but after a while I realized that compared to a real doc I was getting a heck of a deal. Takes weeks, sometimes months, to get an appointment with a regular doc. I could get results from SWALE in about two weeks. Pretty good if you think about it. AND, the price is better as well.

Give him some time. He won't forget you, I promise! (SWALE, don't make me a liar on this one! ;) )
 
In all cases, I get to things when I can.

I am implementing some new protocols which should make things go more smoothly. We're also installing an Electronic Medical Record system. But everyone--patients and not--needs to realize that when they email me, it is like making an appointment. And no doctor can answer every communication and see every patient who wants to be seen the same day, or even the same week. that is just the way it is for this extremely unique medical practice.

Hopefully, I'll be getting some more office help in the near future.

BTW, repeat emails and PM's just slow things down more. Just to let you know.

As to your specific question, it is important to make things go as smoothly as possible for the physician who has graciously agreed to ask me to Consult for your care. I make every effort to respect the simple fact he/she does not need to ask for my help.
 
Ok i just came back from a doctor.

I asked her if they would be willing to work on a consultation basis with you. I told her you are an osteopathic physician who specializes in HRT. She said she doesnt believe in that and asked if you had an M.D. She then that she didnt understand why I want to work with a doctor in the STATES when we have specialists here with experience.

I feel so weak now. Gonna have to look for another doctor again. Maybe I need to approach the subject in a better way. Any1 have any suggestions?
 
If you need to give her (or another doc if she doesn't work out) some of his references to show that he is indeed knowledgeable (hell, maybe even the best) in TRT then here are some possibly useful links. Some only show that he's a speaker at a conference but that, in itself, speaks volumes. There are also some info type webpages included.

http://www.a4minfo.net/id115.htm

http://longevity-science.org/Speakers-Chicago-2004.pdf

http://www.worldhealth.net/p/clinical-research-testosterone.html

http://www.worldhealth.net/p/hormone-replacement-therapy.html (weed through these for relevent info)

http://www.healthyandfitmagazine.com/juneissue.html (go to the very bottom of the page)

http://www.antiageingconference.com/?pg=crisler

and of course, his website.

http://www.allthingsmale.com/
http://www.allthingsmale.com/faqs.htm


As for her stating that she doesn't believe in TRT then you should read the Q&A that SWALE did in the Healthy and Fit Magazine article I linked to above. Then, bring that thought to her and see what she says!

Otherwise, get another doc who's more sympathetic (I have actually found that some women just don't give a rat's ass about men's health)
 
Weatherlite said:
Otherwise, get another doc who's more sympathetic (I have actually found that some women just don't give a rat's ass about men's health)
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haha, well I actually was looking specifically for a lady doctor because I just havent had luck with male ones so I thought id give females a try

anyway, thx for the links ill look at them and print them out
 
Osteopathic physicians are the legal and professional equivilent of MD'ds. Although it does have some very strange roots, it has folded itself back more into the mainstream, although it does place additional emphasis on musculoskeletal diagnosis and treatment (and, IMO, osteopathic manipulative therapy is a bit "out there"). You have to do four years of post-graduate schooling (like med school), commit to a one-year rotating residency at an approved teaching hospital (many hospitals allow DO's into their programs) (specialization requires two to six additional years of residency training, depending on the specialty). However, DO's tend to get a bum rap because, it is probably fair to say, that more DO's tend to push the envelope of alternative medicine that MDs (or even leave the realm of reason), like Cranial Therapy, etc. MDs tend to have their nose out of joint regarding DOs because they, in their opinion, take an "easier" path to the same point, GPAs and MCATs tend to be lower for DOs than MDs. DOs tend to fight back by saying Osteopaths treat the patient not just the disease.

But ultimately, it is an INDIVIDUAL that you are placing in charge of your health. If her or she is qualified, suitable and able to treat you, schooling and slogans are not very important. Remember, some of the best lawyers in the country come from horrible law schools.

Swale is definately a leader in the specialized field of TRT. I would place him against most any board certified endo in the field.

Perhaps you can find a medical practice that had DOs on staff, that may indicate a willingness to work with a DO.



LiquidGib said:
Ok i just came back from a doctor.

I asked her if they would be willing to work on a consultation basis with you. I told her you are an osteopathic physician who specializes in HRT. She said she doesnt believe in that and asked if you had an M.D. She then that she didnt understand why I want to work with a doctor in the STATES when we have specialists here with experience.

I feel so weak now. Gonna have to look for another doctor again. Maybe I need to approach the subject in a better way. Any1 have any suggestions?
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I know what your going thru, I've had the same problem after asking many doctors if they would help and use Swale as a consultant. They tell me its their ass on the line if something goes wrong.

Btw, my idiotic endo also said anti aging medicine is nonsense.
 
I have a D.O. here near to me and when I showed him Swale's protocol he didn't want to have anything to do w/ it. I mean my T level was low 300's, I can't remember the exact #. He said I was fine. So I took things in my own hands and contacted the man himself (Dr. Crisler), best move I could have made. I can say that he has answered every e-mail I have ever sent. Was very through at my initial appointment and has taken great care of me.
Sorry for going on and on but I feel that you should know that while it might take a little bit longer to talk to him than calling up your local physician its the quality of the care. All I can say is Swale don't ever quit, otherwise I will have to go underground for treatment. I have much better energy, sex drive, and overall mood since begining TRT.

Thanx much,

Pooka
 
maxzax said:
I know what your going thru, I've had the same problem after asking many doctors if they would help and use Swale as a consultant. They tell me its their ass on the line if something goes wrong.

Btw, my idiotic endo also said anti aging medicine is nonsense.
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My former endocrinologist said anti-aging medicine was quackery. After giving him 2 years, I'm no longer his patient, since he was making a lot of dough to tell me I was normal when my blood tests and own self-awareness contradicted him. That endo was the 4th. The first said "take viagra", the second said "it's all in your head" and the third said "you're depressed."

F*** those guys.

In a couple weeks I'll be seeing a colleague of Dr. Crisler. I can hardly wait. Bags are already packed!

WF
 
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wildfox said:
In a couple weeks I'll be seeing a colleague of Dr. Chrisler. I can hardly wait. Bags are already packed!

WF
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Im hoping to save up some money and see Dr. Swale next year as well. Since Im getting no help with the local doctors here. But I need to save up quite a bit since I live in Vancouver, Canada.
 
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