T3 and T4 year round

[WalnutBlast]

Curious if anyone has experience with this. Currently prescribed pharma Armour thyroid 4 grain (38mcg T3 152mcg t4). Wondering if any others have kept on T3/t4 year round.

 

[RzSco]

I've been using T3 for my cut at 50mcg and apart from faster weight loss I've not noticed any increased energy or anything.

I reckon it's probably not worth it, at best it would be a crutch for being a chronic overeater.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I have a friend who had major issues after constantly using t3 took him a long time to recover after he stopped use, lots of uncontrollable weight gain and metabolism issues. T4 is more forgiving ive heard. Also have heard accounts from other bb who used t3 long term, it can really fuck you up.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Please DO NOT use thyroid meds year round. Recovery takes a significant amount of time and may not be all the way possible given what I’ve seen from others.

there’s also zero reason to stay on year round; t3/t4, unless you’re deficient, are horrendous for use during mass gain. Limit their use to the last bit of fat needed off when already supported by a solid diet and cardio strategy.

 

[WalnutBlast]

Please DO NOT use thyroid meds year round. Recovery takes a significant amount of time and may not be all the way possible given what I’ve seen from others.

there’s also zero reason to stay on year round; t3/t4, unless you’re deficient, are horrendous for use during mass gain. Limit their use to the last bit of fat needed off when already supported by a solid diet and cardio strategy.

I thought they could be beneficial for protein turnover rate in a surplus?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I thought they could be beneficial for protein turnover rate in a surplus?

Why would you want to promote a higher rate of turnover? If protein turnover is Z and = X/Y and you set protein synthesis at X, then increasing Y (breakdown) only makes your net protein balance lower. If that equation = 1 then youre not gaining any muscle..

From what I understand t3 is the major culprit of myofibrillar proteolysis, not t4. But if you’re not deficient on t4, say from exogenous gH confirmed by thyroid tests, then why take it..?

and even if they were both beneficial, which I don’t believe they are, are you really wanting to nuke your thyroid for it? If you’re a serious BB, ok, make an argument. But...seems crazy to me to just keep adding lifetime doses of meds...

 

[WalnutBlast]

Why would you want to promote a higher rate of turnover? If protein turnover is Z and = X/Y and you set protein synthesis at X, then increasing Y (breakdown) only makes your net protein balance lower. If that equation = 1 then youre not gaining any muscle..

From what I understand t3 is the major culprit of myofibrillar proteolysis, not t4. But if you’re not deficient on t4, say from exogenous gH confirmed by thyroid tests, then why take it..?

and even if they were both beneficial, which I don’t believe they are, are you really wanting to nuke your thyroid for it? If you’re a serious BB, ok, make an argument. But...seems crazy to me to just keep adding lifetime doses of meds...

I’m on already on thyroid meds for life, and am definitely wanting to be a serious BB.

 

[muscletrain]

Why would you want to promote a higher rate of turnover? If protein turnover is Z and = X/Y and you set protein synthesis at X, then increasing Y (breakdown) only makes your net protein balance lower. If that equation = 1 then youre not gaining any muscle..

From what I understand t3 is the major culprit of myofibrillar proteolysis, not t4. But if you’re not deficient on t4, say from exogenous gH confirmed by thyroid tests, then why take it..?

and even if they were both beneficial, which I don’t believe they are, are you really wanting to nuke your thyroid for it? If you’re a serious BB, ok, make an argument. But...seems crazy to me to just keep adding lifetime doses of meds...

Strange all the studies show them yanking people off it without issue even after years of use, but I know you BB at a pretty high level. This is kinda scary now I was thinking of adding in T4 to my GH use. What's the longest you would personally use it for?

 

[WalnutBlast]

Strange all the studies show them yanking people off it without issue even after years of use, but I know you BB at a pretty high level. This is kinda scary now I was thinking of adding in T4 to my GH use. What's the longest you would personally use it for?

Same here. I know people that have ran it for years and bounced back within weeks. Odd.

 

[muscletrain]

Same here. I know people that have ran it for years and bounced back within weeks. Odd.

I used it for maybe 2 months back when I was younger and had the general 3-4 week recovery where I just watched what I ate. But WIldcat runs with the big boys so who knows.

Would love more discussion on this.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

As with most things this is dose and duration dependent. Currently working with someone who used t3 for a year and is having trouble bouncing back even with fairly heavy supplementation. Everyone’s mileage will vary.

I stand by advising not adding to year round drug use; whether that’s increasingly heavier cruises, thyroid drugs, slin, whatever.

Recovering from 4-6 weeks of 25-75 t3 isn’t gonna be horrendous. People do that all the time. If you know people that have run T3 for years and experienced no ill effects I would consider then outliers, not the norm.

But you guys are all able to make your own decisions. If you’ve seen studies telling otherwise I’d be happy to read them. I’ve said this several times on this forum in my time here; thyroid drugs, clen, tren, the “cutters” are straight up ABUSED based on what I see people posting.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I used it for maybe 2 months back when I was younger and had the general 3-4 week recovery where I just watched what I ate. But WIldcat runs with the big boys so who knows.

Would love more discussion on this.

I can only speak on what I’ve read applied to what I’ve experienced. I’m nothing special here.
I’ve been committed to “less is more” since I started posting here because I truly believe it. If we keep driving for “more” all the time then the gas pedal gets closer and closer to the floor all the time with less room to floor it each go.

Sciencey? Not at all. But I’ve rarely run across people who wish they’d used more drugs..

 

[WalnutBlast]

As with most things this is dose and duration dependent. Currently working with someone who used t3 for a year and is having trouble bouncing back even with fairly heavy supplementation. Everyone’s mileage will vary.

I stand by advising not adding to year round drug use; whether that’s increasingly heavier cruises, thyroid drugs, slin, whatever.

Recovering from 4-6 weeks of 25-75 t3 isn’t gonna be horrendous. People do that all the time. If you know people that have run T3 for years and experienced no ill effects I would consider then outliers, not the norm.

But you guys are all able to make your own decisions. If you’ve seen studies telling otherwise I’d be happy to read them. I’ve said this several times on this forum in my time here; thyroid drugs, clen, tren, the “cutters” are straight up ABUSED based on what I see people posting.

Thanks for you knowledge!

I think I will give it a go, because it’s is indeed given to me through a prescription and I know it is pharma and is also covered by my insurance, so price won’t be an issue or anything.

If interested, I could log my experience on here as well.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Thanks for you knowledge!

I think I will give it a go, because it’s is indeed given to me through a prescription and I know it is pharma and is also covered by my insurance, so price won’t be an issue or anything.

If interested, I could log my experience on here as well.

Being prescribed a med is an entirely different story, for sure. I assume you have it because you were deficient? Did they try anything else before giving you thyroid meds?

 

[WalnutBlast]

Being prescribed a med is an entirely different story, for sure. I assume you have it because you were deficient? Did they try anything else before giving you thyroid meds?

Yeah, I have a pituitary issue unfortunately that effected my thyroid and testosterone (well, somewhat fortunately because it’s what got me into bodybuilding/hormones).

Been on HRT since a young lad due to it. The reason I still ask for experience, is I believe the dose I am taking (4 grain Armour Thyroid, translating to 38mcg T3 and 152 mcg T4) is still super-physiological IIRC. I want to say standard HRT for thyroid is 25mcg T3 100mcg T4.

I tried a couple routes before like just T4, then T4 with a bit of T3. Seems like my thyroid really didn’t wanna budge so they said they’ll try out Armour Thyroid. The amount of T3 in it will definitely be shutting down my TSH, but it seems like my TSH didn’t wanna do much with the T4 I was using before anyways tbh haha.

 

[Exister0]

Why would you want to promote a higher rate of turnover? If protein turnover is Z and = X/Y and you set protein synthesis at X, then increasing Y (breakdown) only makes your net protein balance lower. If that equation = 1 then youre not gaining any muscle..

From what I understand t3 is the major culprit of myofibrillar proteolysis, not t4. But if you’re not deficient on t4, say from exogenous gH confirmed by thyroid tests, then why take it..?

and even if they were both beneficial, which I don’t believe they are, are you really wanting to nuke your thyroid for it? If you’re a serious BB, ok, make an argument. But...seems crazy to me to just keep adding lifetime doses of meds...

Because it will allow him to stay ripped year round without suffering