T3 is it worth it?

[Kakarot]

Considering t3 and trying to look at it from a few different angles. If any of you guys that use it during a cut could chime in I'd appreciate it. Interested to know if it's worth trying from a ugl due to its delicate nature and short shelf life or should I go legit pharmacy or if it's worth the shutdown from it.

 

[SauceBoss]

I would like to know this as well .. good question.. makes me nervous messing with the thyroid as it controls pretty much every aspect of the human body

 

[Saltyseadog]

It's no miracle managed to drop 20kg in 5 months and not lose strength dropped from 18'8 to just under 16st. It's an extra tool along with training 6 days a week for the most of 4 months in the gulf mid summer.


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[Kakarot]

It's no miracle managed to drop 20kg in 5 months and not lose strength dropped from 18'8 to just under 16st. It's an extra tool along with training 6 days a week for the most of 4 months in the gulf mid summer.


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Gonna to need a min to digest your post. You freaked me out with your metric/stone system.lol

 

[Saltyseadog]

About 119kg to 100


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[AnTabolic73]

@pharmacist has a t3/t4 blend I've used if you're looking for pharm grade.

 

[Eman]

It's no miracle managed to drop 20kg in 5 months and not lose strength dropped from 18'8 to just under 16st. It's an extra tool along with training 6 days a week for the most of 4 months in the gulf mid summer.


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Did you run it for 5 months straight??

 

[Kakarot]

What about you @Eman what's your take on it? Any experience with it? I'm starting to notice upper abs and thinking about continuing to cut down to 10% bf or lower.... but... I'm planning to bulk up this winter and I'm not sure if I have time to do that before then.

 

[Eman]

I've used it. Your diet has to be perfect IMO. The first time I used it, my diet needed adjusted and I ended up losing a lot of muscle mass. Lesson learned. Second try was better but I still didn't have the diet down good enough, it was better though. It was still a catabolic endeavor though in the end which is often the problem wth this drug...

If you are using something to attempt to combat the catabolic effects it seems you can make it worthwhile.

I'm using it right now but it's too early for me to have seen a lot of results. I'm working it slowly with HGH and I'm holding on to muscle quite well but I'm at a pretty mild dose. Strength seems shot though.

I've read several posts from @CensoredBoardsSuck regarding T3, maybe he'll include his thoughts. I found them helpful in the past.

 

[BioChemBro]

i've been taking 12.5mcg every morning for about 1.5 months now. As mentioned in Bill Roberts T3 article there should be little to no detectable suppression, so the additional 12.5mg would act as a boost.

IME the higher T3 doses made me feel flat and tired, so i opted for the low dose approach. I'm planning on getting bloods in a week or two so hopefully i can add some insight once i see those results.

 

[Sampei]

To me it's not worth it. Catabolic as fuck, tried up to 100mcg the only result was flat as shit and lost strength and probably muscle and didn't see any fat loss in general. Pharmagrade t3.

I had much better results with diet alone lol

 

[Saltyseadog]

Did you run it for 5 months straight??

No started the cut for the first 2 got everything in check first and to acclimatise to the heat. Then slowly introduced the t3 into the mix as core temp shoots up. With training and the heat cals were up to about 3k protein was up to around 300g or close as possible given food on board. It works but only as an assistance to an already gruelling cut.

Edit: 30 25mcg in Crete was 2euro 50 how could I not !

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[ChestRockwell]

Couple of pro-tips here...

- Never use research grade, ALWAYS use pharma grade when going with exogenous T3
- In reality, unless diet/training/lifestyle/dosing is severely out of whack, there will be no significant skeletal muscle atrophy even for natural individuals
- When using supraphysiological amounts of AAS, there will certainly be no atrophy
- Although exogenous T3 increases protein synthesis rates, it increases protein breakdown to a greater degree meaning it is net catabolic
- T3 is NOT to be seen as a "fat burner"

Now, my advice is that T3 should be respected and understood before blindly adding it to a hormone stack. As I said above, it should not be seen as a fat burner, as this is a severe oversimplification of how it works.

When you go beyond 25mcgs/day (estimate), you enter hyperthyroid territory. Please understand what hypothyroidism is and the potential sides that come along with it.

Exogenous thyriod does have a nice synergy with beta two agonist compounds as they may increase both the density and sensitivity of beta two type receptors in fat tissues.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Currently running T3/T4 for about 4 weeks and so far I haven't experience muscles/strength lost (yet). I've dropped fat and notice my lower abs popping out..

T3/T4 from pharmacist 20/100mcg per pill. Taken before bedtime (usually, I eat a big meal for dinner).
I would agree w/CRW that one needs to research before Fing around your thyroids

 

[GearGodess]

T3 is great to add to a cut stack when running tren. Tren lowers your natural T3 levels so this will bring it back to normal or you can run it higher. T3/T4 combos are a little redundant IMO. T4 slowly concerts to T3 so no point of having both in this instance.

I found that short 6 week bursts work best if you're after fat burning and stack it with Albuterol. It will make you feel warmer and speed up your metabolism so be prepared as some find themselves hungry sooner. So keep clean snacks around.

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[ChestRockwell]

T3 is great to add to a cut stack when running tren. Tren lowers your natural T3 levels so this will bring it back to normal or you can run it higher.

This is a highly speculative claim and based off of a single sheep study.

I found that short 6 week bursts work best if you're after fat burning and stack it with Albuterol. It will make you feel warmer and speed up your metabolism so be prepared as some find themselves hungry sooner. So keep clean snacks around.

I normally do not recommend running exogenous thyroid for as short as six week bursts simply due to the time it takes for the hormone to suppress and reach stable levels in the system. Conversely, once suppressed, the thyroidal axis may take anywhere from 2-6 weeks to restore endogenous production so this is a lot of stress on the body for only six weeks of usage.

There is a synergy with albuterol, due to it being a beta two agonist, however albuterol is VERY weak and I'd urge folks to use clenbuterol if looking for a beta two agonist to run alongside T3.

 

[GearGodess]

This is a highly speculative claim and based off of a single sheep study.



I normally do not recommend running exogenous thyroid for as short as six week bursts simply due to the time it takes for the hormone to suppress and reach stable levels in the system. Conversely, once suppressed, the thyroidal axis may take anywhere from 2-6 weeks to restore endogenous production so this is a lot of stress on the body for only six weeks of usage.

There is a synergy with albuterol, due to it being a beta two agonist, however albuterol is VERY weak and I'd urge folks to use clenbuterol if looking for a beta two agonist to run alongside T3.

I guess everyone has their preference. I find short bursts work very well especially in women. Plus the recovery has never been an issue when running it this way. Whole running it with tren, it's the only time that I've suggested running it through duration of the cycle. But 6 weeks of the combo is very complimentary to it for fat burning.

I do agree with you on the difference between clen and albuterol. For me, I can manage on 20mcg of Clen where 4mg (which would translate into 4,000mcg) is sufficient on albuterol and sometimes I increase it up to 6mg. So yes, less sides too as it's a weaker compound but still in the same family of drugs. Both work very well with T3.

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[ChestRockwell]

I guess everyone has their preference. I find short bursts work very well especially in women. Plus the recovery has never been an issue when running it this way. Whole running it with tren, it's the only time that I've suggested running it through duration of the cycle. But 6 weeks of the combo is very complimentary to it for fat burning.

Am I reading this correctly in that you have used trenbolone yourself and are female?

 

[Kakarot]

Is tren,hgh mandatory to run t3? Is it so catabolic that it takes more than high testosterone levels to combat it?

 

[ChestRockwell]

Is tren,hgh mandatory to run t3? Is it so catabolic that it takes more than high testosterone levels to combat it?

No, here is an overly-simplified, rule of thumb...if you are not running a beta two agonist, you don't need to run exogenous T3 in supratherapeutic doses.

Although the thyroid hormone is catabolic by definition, as I explained above, in practice studies have shown that it does not run the risk of atrophy until you are in pretty significant hyperthyroid status. A lot of individuals do not know the difference between depleted glycogen stores and actual tissue atrophy...