T3 is it worth it?

[Kakarot]

Considering t3 and trying to look at it from a few different angles. If any of you guys that use it during a cut could chime in I'd appreciate it. Interested to know if it's worth trying from a ugl due to its delicate nature and short shelf life or should I go legit pharmacy or if it's worth the shutdown from it.

 

[GearGodess]

Am I reading this correctly in that you have used trenbolone yourself and are female?

Yes I have ran Tren briefly. Also have a few guys that use the same protocol and it works well for them.

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[ChestRockwell]

Yes I have ran tren briefly.

Very cool, it isn't often you hear this - I might have to pick your brain a bit at some point...

 

[GearGodess]

Is tren,hgh mandatory to run t3? Is it so catabolic that it takes more than high testosterone levels to combat it?

No and no. Not mandatory at all. There are many articles on that but where you need to start is your own levels then monitor. Also with GH, you're better off with T4.

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[Eman]

if you are not running a beta two agonist, you don't need to run exogenous T3 in supratherapeutic doses

I'm trying to understand what you're getting at here... You're saying that if you're NOT running clen for example you don't need to run excessive T3 doses. But if you are taking clen you should increase T3?

What is the logic?

 

[ChestRockwell]

I'm trying to understand what you're getting at here... You're saying that if you're NOT running clen for example you don't need to run excessive T3 doses. But if you are taking clen you should increase T3?

Exogenous T3 arguably has the potential to increase beta two receptor density and sensitivity in fat tissues. These are the same receptor types that clenbuterol binds with. So, extrapolating a bit here...it would allow clenbuterol to be more efficient at what it does, mobilizing and oxidizing stored fat substrates from fat cells.

If you aren't using clenbuterol, then I'm not a big advocate of using exogenous T3 under most circumstances, particularly if you don't know exactly what you are doing...

 

[GearGodess]

Very cool, it isn't often you hear this - I might have to pick your brain a bit at some point...

You're more than welcome to ask. I'm always happy to help

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[Eman]

Exogenous T3 arguably has the potential to increase beta two receptor density and sensitivity in fat tissues. These are the same receptor types that clenbuterol binds with. So, extrapolating a bit here...it would allow clenbuterol to be more efficient at what it does, mobilizing and oxidizing stored fat substrates from fat cells.

If you aren't using clenbuterol, then I'm not a big advocate of using exogenous T3 under most circumstances, particularly if you don't know exactly what you are doing...

I must have misunderstood your previous post, I'm wth you now.

 

[Kakarot]

No and no. Not mandatory at all. There are many articles on that but where you need to start is your own levels then monitor. Also with GH, you're better off with T4.

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I've got 2 or 3 sets of blood work with thyroid hormone on it from this year I'll have to find it tonight. I remember the doc telling me it was high normal.

 

[Ghostman]

OP, I'm curious why you want to use T3. Can you not achieve the same result in basically the same timeframe without T3?

 

[Kakarot]

OP, I'm curious why you want to use T3. Can you not achieve the same result in basically the same timeframe without T3?

Maybe maybe not. Just curious at the moment.

 

[Kakarot]

OP, I'm curious why you want to use T3. Can you not achieve the same result in basically the same timeframe without T3?

I know it goes against the norm here at meso but I like to look at things from all angles before I really consider trying anything so I figured make a thread, I can't be the only one curious about it....90% of threads started about someone trying something are after they've already started taking it.

 

[Ghostman]

I know it goes against the norm here at meso but I like to look at things from all angles before I really consider trying anything so I figured make a thread, I can't be the only one curious about it....90% of threads started about someone trying something are after they've already started taking it.

I do the same. I would assume whatever your goals are T3 is not needed. Having diet in check would be more relevant unless you have thyroid issues. Good luck either way!

 

[TheBeat]

Couple of pro-tips here...

- Never use research grade, ALWAYS use pharma grade when going with exogenous T3
- In reality, unless diet/training/lifestyle/dosing is severely out of whack, there will be no significant skeletal muscle atrophy even for natural individuals
- When using supraphysiological amounts of AAS, there will certainly be no atrophy
- Although exogenous T3 increases protein synthesis rates, it increases protein breakdown to a greater degree meaning it is net catabolic
- T3 is NOT to be seen as a "fat burner"

Now, my advice is that T3 should be respected and understood before blindly adding it to a hormone stack. As I said above, it should not be seen as a fat burner, as this is a severe oversimplification of how it works.

When you go beyond 25mcgs/day (estimate), you enter hyperthyroid territory. Please understand what hypothyroidism is and the potential sides that come along with it.

Exogenous thyriod does have a nice synergy with beta two agonist compounds as they may increase both the density and sensitivity of beta two type receptors in fat tissues.

With so much misinformation out there on this topic I appreciate your post!
I have hypothyroidism and have played with doses for over ten years- never above 125mcg t3, never lost muscle but it will make you flat and not gain at higher doses. I don't go above 50mcg for cutting assistance anymore as I find the sides (sweating, hunger, flatness, muscle weakness (100mcg and up for me), etc) aren't worth it. 150mcg isn't 3 times as effective as 50mcg for example, but is more than 3x the sides.

 

[Sampei]

Don't you find annoying that you need to be super strict with diet after you finish t3 use and you could rebound easily because you are in a semi hypotiroid status until the thyroid doedt get back to work?

I find it an hassle.
Prefer high dose of hgh ahaha

If you are hypo that's another story tough. You are on thyroid meds all your life so.

 

[ChestRockwell]

Don't you find annoying that you need to be super strict with diet after you finish t3 use and you could rebound easily because you are in a semi hypotiroid status until the thyroid doedt get back to work?

I find it an hassle.
Prefer high dose of hgh ahaha

If you are hypo that's another story tough. You are on thyroid meds all your life so.

In reality, there is no "rebound". I'm not advocating going YOLO on the diet after you cease using exogenous T3, however you will very likely not notice a single thing when you come off of it...

 

[Kakarot]

Thanks for the input everybody. First hand experience and advice are much appreciated. Lots of misinformation and contradicting advice out there.

 

[Docd187123]

In reality, there is no "rebound". I'm not advocating going YOLO on the diet after you cease using exogenous T3, however you will very likely not notice a single thing when you come off of it...

Have you been on any other forums besides this one? Your writing style, name, and use of studies struck a chord with me and I want to say I know you from somewhere else. You can PM me if you'd prefer not to answer here.

 

[AnTabolic73]

Couple of pro-tips here...

- Never use research grade, ALWAYS use pharma grade when going with exogenous T3
- In reality, unless diet/training/lifestyle/dosing is severely out of whack, there will be no significant skeletal muscle atrophy even for natural individuals
- When using supraphysiological amounts of AAS, there will certainly be no atrophy
- Although exogenous T3 increases protein synthesis rates, it increases protein breakdown to a greater degree meaning it is net catabolic
- T3 is NOT to be seen as a "fat burner"

Now, my advice is that T3 should be respected and understood before blindly adding it to a hormone stack. As I said above, it should not be seen as a fat burner, as this is a severe oversimplification of how it works.

When you go beyond 25mcgs/day (estimate), you enter hyperthyroid territory. Please understand what hypothyroidism is and the potential sides that come along with it.

Exogenous thyriod does have a nice synergy with beta two agonist compounds as they may increase both the density and sensitivity of beta two type receptors in fat tissues.

in high school, I went from being able to nearly dunking a basketball at 5'9, to barely touching the net because of hyperthyroidism. I was a kangaroo, huge powerful legs, scrawny upper body. the muscle loss wasn't obvious. parents took me to doctors office they gave me a drug test. they thought I was smoking Crack. lmao. turned out it was hyperthyroidism. in retrospect(about 16 years ago), it was probably the worst time of my life.

 

[ChestRockwell]

Have you been on any other forums besides this one? Your writing style, name, and use of studies struck a chord with me and I want to say I know you from somewhere else. You can PM me if you'd prefer not to answer here.

Yeah, a lot of folks may remember me from the old GH15 board however I'm on a handful of other hormone related boards. If you Google my username, you can also see some of my writings that often get posted to various boards around the 'Net....

 

[ChestRockwell]

in high school, I went from being able to nearly dunking a basketball at 5'9, to barely touching the net because of hyperthyroidism. I was a kangaroo, huge powerful legs, scrawny upper body. the muscle loss wasn't obvious. parents took me to doctors office they gave me a drug test. they thought I was smoking Crack. lmao. turned out it was hyperthyroidism. in retrospect(about 16 years ago), it was probably the worst time of my life.

I'm very sorry you had to go through all this but it really does demonstrate what hyperthyroidism can do, and why folks should understand the intricacies of the thyroidal axis before they should seriously consider the use of exogenous thyroid.