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TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
yea yea yea I know :(
I think if I dropped that one rep though I would have been in line...
I can't jump up 70lbs every set (well maybe I can but my mind trys to tell me no)
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I would of did a light burner like 225 or 315 then
455x1
Then max effort. As long as bloods flowing and stretching is done.


Hell I hit a PR today too.
One really light set
One heavy set stopped short
Then max effort. I got that shit too ;)
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
I would of did a light burner like 225 or 315 then
455x1
Then max effort. As long as bloods flowing and stretching is done.


Hell I hit a PR today too.
One really light set
One heavy set stopped short
Then max effort. I got that shit too ;)
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nice congrats man!

Yea it can be a thin line between overexerting myself warming up and injury, at least I aired on the side of caution. Missed my PR but stayed healthy to chase it another day, I'm gonna be on for several more months, I will have more opportunities. I can't dwell in the negativity the only thing I have on my mind is looking ahead to this next attempt.

I may take 50mg Drol pwo Saturday....bc I'm a gear whore
 
Docd187123 said:
I would e done something like

Bar x 5-10
135x5
225x3
315x1
405x1
465x1
And the PR attempt here
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I always start with bar weight I just never include it.
I've done 3 sets of triples leading up to heavy single attempts in the past but my thinking was 3x3=9 reps and in this single scheme I'm actually only doing 8 reps working up....back to the drawing board I guess.


Thanks for the insight though guys. I'm going to draw up two different progressions for my DL attempt Sat and see what you guys think. One with singles and one with triples since this is what I've used in the past and then open the floor for anyone willing to throw out suggestions or better alternatives.

I should maybe re-evaluate my rest periods as well. In this scheme I rested 2mins for the first 4 sets and 3mins after that. I've never rested more than 5 mins in between sets...but 5mins was my plan for the attempt Saturday. This is just a pace I've settled into and never really deviated from, I remember going 7-8mins before but lose some intensity of the moment. Once my mind is right I like to go and push hard....
 
I like to listen my favorite song the whole way thru, so what 3-5 minutes?

Then when I've worked myself some thing just shy of uncontained insanity I know I'm ready :)
 

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TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
I can't jump up 70lbs every set (well maybe I can but my mind trys to tell me no)
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The mind is one of the biggest things that hold us back from accomplishing any goal in life! If you tell yourself you can't do something, you'll never be able to do it.I'm with Doc as far as the set up I would have taken for your max attempt.

As far as conventional vs sumo DL a lot of it depends on your measurements. You're tall from what I remember what's your wing span vs your inseam length? I just started pulling sumo and after getting used to it and having someone coach me on it, I won't be turning back anytime soon.
 
theprodgicalson said:
The mind is one of the biggest things that hold us back from accomplishing any goal in life! If you tell yourself you can't do something, you'll never be able to do it.I'm with Doc as far as the set up I would have taken for your max attempt.

As far as conventional vs sumo DL a lot of it depends on your measurements. You're tall from what I remember what's your wing span vs your inseam length? I just started pulling sumo and after getting used to it and having someone coach me on it, I won't be turning back anytime soon.
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True words right there...mindset can make or break you.

I'm 6'2", I will have to bust a tape out it's been awhile. I DL'd conventional with an alternated grip training for sports early on and somewhere along the way when I began working primarily on improving olympic lifts I began to train less heavy on the deads and with a double overhand hookgrip. I feel pretty good about my numbers but they are far from my true potential I believe, If I focused more on powerlifting I think a 600lb pull should be a walk in the park based on my other numbers but the reality of where I'm at it's a pretty good realistic goal and one I will definitely feel accomplishment from once I get there, it's eluded me and that is agitating.

When I look at these tables it would figure my pull around 750+lbs comparatively based on my other numbers o_O That's not happening anytime soon....

http://breakingmuscle.com/olympic-w...t-ratio-can-tell-you-about-your-olympic-lifts

https://breakingmuscle.com/olympic-...ting-their-correlation-with-the-olympic-lifts
 
Lots of PL guys do hook grip for a lot of their sets, but their tops sets are alternate grip. Also, from the sounds of it and what I remember from your last log, you've been training primarily Olympic lifts. If you wanna deadlifts 600, deadlift often. Specificity is the name of the game as I'm sure you know. Pulling 600 is my goal also. I'll be following along for when you do pull that 6hundo.

Also I think those charts aren't always accurate. Especially because of what I said above. Both Oly lifting and PL require high frequency of the specific lifts. And they don't always transfer over like the charts says it's supposed to.
 
theprodgicalson said:
Lots of PL guys do hook grip for a lot of their sets, but their tops sets are alternate grip. Also, from the sounds of it and what I remember from your last log, you've been training primarily Olympic lifts. If you wanna deadlifts 600, deadlift often. Specificity is the name of the game as I'm sure you know. Pulling 600 is my goal also. I'll be following along for when you do pull that 6hundo.

Also I think those charts aren't always accurate. Especially because of what I said above. Both Oly lifting and PL require high frequency of the specific lifts. And they don't always transfer over like the charts says it's supposed to.
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I think I need to take more time off too, even though I'm juiced to the gills. I said I wasn't going to train at all until saturday....well, that was short lived.

I'm stuck in my routine, I hate sleeping late I figured I'd go to the gym and do a lil light bodybuilding split for a pump this morning. You know just keep everything tuned up :rolleyes:
Well that turned into a 1hr+ back and bi workout.

weighted pullups 2x12 45lbs
weighted chinups 2x12 45lbs
weighted dips 2x15 45lbs
wide grip lat pull down 4x15 (supersetted with pushdowns)
straight bar lat pushdown 4x15
lawnmowers 4x15 (supersetted with seated hammer low row)
seated hammer low row 4x15
weighted back extensions with pause 3x20 (supersetted with curls)
EZ bar cable curls 3x20
hammer strength high row 3x12
toe to bars 2x25
tbar reverse sled pull 3x30yards

I'm fucking overtraining again :oops::(
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
I'm fucking overtraining again :oops::(
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This was / is by far the hardest thing for me switching from BB to PL. I used to workout 6 or 7 days a week for 9 years. Sometimes 8 days a week. Now im on 3 days (even though I'll sneak in a 4th every once in awhile). But Ive found im reacting better to the time off*. Im lifting better (i.e. more) when I do go and im actually looking better. The time off is good on my physique.

*But I still do wake up early on my "off" days and think hard about going to the gym.
 
Taking time off is really hard to do, i feel like im somehow loosing muscle when i do even though i know how important it is to give my body a break once in a while.
I dont think there is a one size fits all as far as how often and when to take time off, i think you gotta listen to your body. This is what i do, but i still find myself overriding that feeling and pressing on. I think for alot of us this is an addiction, we love the gym the pump the weights and the routine.
Gotta remember the body recovers (grows) when we rest, not enough rest and recovery will suffer.
 
Yall need to pick up Heavy Duty I & II By Mike Mentzer

If you can train 8 or 9 days in a row. You ain't training intensely enough. As he says. You can either work out HARD or LONG but you can't do both. I believe this with every fiber in me.

Take that time off. Often I plan my workouts around 2 on 1 off. But it's real beneficial to take a day in between chest/biceps then back/ triceps. And you know what? The bigger I get I realize instinctually I need more time off. So 1 on 1 off is OK from time to time. Especially when I'm looking to add weight(s) progression. But let's be honest bodybuilding or strength training. You always want to be progressing with more weight.

Really look in to it. I don't digest all his babble but he helped me tremendously to understand how the body needs rest after intense workouts. And if yall need help understanding the heavy duty style of lifting I can help with that too. Throw conventional bb workouts out the window and bring your game face. It's not EASY
 
look at dem skinny lil get-away sticks...I should do some calf raises. I love squat jumps but I don't get any growth from them, well not size anyway. I guess I can work lower posterior chain and calves on my "off-day" tomorrow :rolleyes:
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
We can build those pretzels up! One set a week I promise you ;)
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they serve me pretty well but they look disproportionate. I do full depth alternating single leg on the leg press machine with a calf raise at the top but I feel like this is more of a performance exercise than a calf workout. I believe they help my first step quickness off the line and maybe slightly build vertical jump.

Edit: and I do a fuck ton of box jumps. But again my calves are just long and lean all the way down to my ankle but I've got the well defined v cut separation from the rear view they just have 0 "height".
 
I do 3-4 of these a day. 53' jam packed plus transporting the shit across hostile territory. 12-14 hr days. 220-290 lb a piece. That's my reality. What did you do today o_O

NFL ain't got nothin on me
 

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gr8whitetrukker said:
I do 3-4 of these a day. 53' jam packed plus transporting the shit across hostile territory. 12-14 hr days. 220-290 lb a piece. That's my reality. What did you do today o_O

NFL ain't got nothin on me
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shit son I'm in the "off season" right now
...I'm headed headed back back to Ga...Ga

You wanna see someone dump some water/bf quick wait till you see what that deep south heat does to a physique :eek:
I'll send you a postcard Squatch.
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
they serve me pretty well but they look disproportionate. I do full depth alternating single leg on the leg press machine with a calf raise at the top but I feel like this is more of a performance exercise than a calf workout. I believe they help my first step quickness off the line and maybe slightly build vertical jump.

Edit: and I do a fuck ton of box jumps. But again my calves are just long and lean all the way down to my ankle but I've got the well defined v cut separation from the rear view they just have 0 "height".
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if you want better calves it takes 9+ sets 20+ reps, 3 or 4 times a week. calves are not your normal muscle, calves need worked a lot.
 
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