Test and low dose tren

[youngBuilder]

Im planning a cycle in the fall. I was originally planning on:

Test E 500mgs 1-8
ANAVAR 60 mgs ED last 4 days leading up to PCT

Iwas also considering adding Tren Enanthate at 200 mgs along with the 8 weeks of test. Even at a low dose, would this be at all beneficial? Ive done 2 short blitz cycle of prop and var before. This will be my first "long" cycle.

Should i add it or no? I want minimal sides. I also would rather go with tren E over acetate for that reason. The reason why i only did shorter cycles in the past was for recovery reasons; I wanted to make sure my body recovers normally. Would adding the tren make recovery that much harder?

 

[MANWHORE]

I think 60mg Var is too much .. Maybe 20mg Var/day with 500 Test and have Anti-Es on hand for PCT and if needed during ... Are you looking for bulk not worrying much about fat or would you rather give some size up for less weight and a more solid gain? I know alot of young guys here like Drol because they feel great when growing so fast even if alot is water and fat .. What are your stats

 

[youngBuilder]

Ive used 40 mgs Var ED with good strength gains, i think 20 mgs ED would be too low. Ive seen recomendations to be between 40-60mgs. I am looking for size, but i would give some up for good soild gains that i could hold on to. I also am looking for great strength gains as well.

Stats:

6'
205 lbs. 15% BF (im guessing - can see top two abs)
Will be 22 at the start of the cycle.

past cycle (~4 weeks) of prop var brought brought good strength gains, and a good 6 solid pounds. Calories were slightly restricted as well.

 

[youngBuilder]

So whats the consensus? Is 200mgs Tren Enanthate too low a dose?

 

[Beefy]

Hmmm...don't know how the var will affect the cycle, but with tren you should make sure you've got plenty of test in your system. Tren can shut your libido down if you don't counter with test. The thing that sucks is that tren is a much better steroid, IMO, than test for gains and fat loss. But not being able to get a boner is not cool.

I'd just keep the test at least 100mg/week higher than the tren dose. I like tren, so I would dose it as high as possible for the best results. For a mild cycle, maybe something like 600mg/week test and 400mg/week tren.

 

[MANWHORE]

Ive used 40 mgs Var ED with good strength gains, i think 20 mgs ED would be too low.

Depends on quality .. 20mg every other day is what friends are using because ED was too much .. I know a guy i was on A.com with years ago went by the name Stalker and he used to get BTW Var scripts from his doc .. Well he experimented with different doses and said from 5mg ED to 20mg ED strength was about the same but muscle growth happened more around 40mg ED .. There isn't a major difference between USP 24 and USP 26 but there is still a difference not to mention the fact the UG source you get gear from may be underdosing your Var .. Even if you need 40 and another guy needs 20 so what at least your able to get it ..

 

[youngBuilder]

Hmmm...don't know how the var will affect the cycle, but with tren you should make sure you've got plenty of test in your system. Tren can shut your libido down if you don't counter with test. The thing that sucks is that tren is a much better steroid, IMO, than test for gains and fat loss. But not being able to get a boner is not cool.

I'd just keep the test at least 100mg/week higher than the tren dose. I like tren, so I would dose it as high as possible for the best results. For a mild cycle, maybe something like 600mg/week test and 400mg/week tren.

I was thinking of 500mg Test E, 40-60mg Var, and 200 mg Tren E. The thing is the tren might be a little low, but i get a little anxiety from time to time and i know tren can worsen that. Also not getting a boner is not cool, which is another reason i was thinking of that low dose.

Would pct be harder with the addition of low dose tren? I guess thats really my question here - I rebound pretty quickly with test prop and var...

 

[jboldman]

i am not sure why everyone wants such a high dose of test with tren. sure, tren is suppressive but that is for your endogenous test, 250mg of test a week will more than replace that and assure your libido.

jb

 

[MANWHORE]

I was thinking of 500mg Test E, 40-60mg Var, and 200 mg Tren E. The thing is the tren might be a little low, but i get a little anxiety from time to time and i know tren can worsen that. Also not getting a boner is not cool, which is another reason i was thinking of that low dose.

I can't stop getting boners while using Tren .. Don't believe everything you read .. What are you looking for in this cycle again?

 

[youngBuilder]

Lean, keepable mass (doesnt have to be too lean) and crazy strength. Ill be in the middle of a bulking diet, but that doesnt mean i want to look like a blowfish.

 

[MANWHORE]

Lean, keepable mass (doesnt have to be too lean) and crazy strength. Ill be in the middle of a bulking diet, but that doesnt mean i want to look like a blowfish.

Well keepable depends on PCT .. What does your bulking diet look like because bulk diet to me means crazy calories with very high Protein/Carbs just like a Pro BBer would do ... Var and Tren will give you crazy strength .. Tren more but that goes without saying obviously .. For a SOLID muscle gain i would go with Var 20 ED .. Tren E 400/week .. and Test E 400-500mg/week . Just keep protein higher than carbs and no need to stuff yourself .. How did you like the Var and Test Prop last cycle?

 

[youngBuilder]

I loved it. No sides at all. Strength went up, and i actually leaned out a bit while adding a about 7 pounds. Cycle was over after 4 weeks (short and sweet to "test the waters"). I did 120 mg EOD Prop and 40 mgs ED Var. Strength went up almost emediately. Never felt suppressed through pct even though i knew i was. No libido loss or anything.

Manwhore, I know you speak of nightly sweats and other sides like that. I want to minimize sides while still adding some of the benefits of tren. Dont you think 200mgs will be a mild first try? I also want to just go with the clomid.nolva route for pct; trying to avoid using HCG just to keep things simple. Im thinking of having the cycle 8 weeks long and having the var run up until pct.

 

[MANWHORE]

I start off high and adjust if needed .. I would rather deal with few sides and lower than not see results and have to raise and wait .. Nightsweats isn't bad as long as you drink fluids throughout the day to stay hydrated .. Those 2 in stack with those doses should be good for what you looking for ... Don't waste too much time trying to figure out what MIGHT happen .. you won't know until you try it for yourself. Take the cycle 10 weeks and just run bloodwork at least once during

 

[youngBuilder]

Sounds good. Would you suggest HCG? Is pct realy that much harder with tren than without like everybody says it is?

 

[MANWHORE]

Sounds good. Would you suggest HCG? Is pct realy that much harder with tren than without like everybody says it is?

I don't know i don't do PCT .. Didn't feel bad when stopping Tren cold turkey last year without PCT. I lost deffinition but i also stopped lifting.. The left over Progest might make it a problem so just lower it like you would Estrogen before the end of cycle

 

[youngBuilder]

haha wow. So would that make you a freak of nature seeing as how you can use tren without test, and dont even need pct? Did you even experience testicular atrophy? I know your cycles are pretty long.

 

[MANWHORE]

haha wow. So would that make you a freak of nature seeing as how you can use tren without test, and dont even need pct? Did you even experience testicular atrophy? I know your cycles are pretty long.

Alot of guys have never used Tren alone so they shouldn't comment on No Sexdrive with Tren Alone cycles ... Testicles are small at times and big at times .. This is the same while off or on cycle but i don't believe that means i'm not shut down ... I am lowering the Test to 250mg/week and the reason i am not dropping it completely is because i just want a little estrogen for health .. I am starting Drost E today and upping Tren dose .. Not much just a little .. Maybe 500 Drost E and 500 Tren E /week .. The feedback i'm getting from the Var makes me want to add that in too .. I might add that in at 10mg 2X/day .. I changed my workout shortening rest and increasing reps .. I was exhausted when i left the gym before .. Pumps are great and veins are back .. I just need to keep protein up but i just can't forcefeed myself .. Now that i'm moving this month and with all the things i already had to do,i am very tired .. I took off work today and i slept from 8am to 11:30am but i could have slept all day without a problem .. Is this post about me ? lol