Test and primo or just test

[marsupial]

I’ve done test 50 ed for 19w in the past for my very first. Gained a lot of strength and mass and lost a decent amount after the cycle and as I was cutting. I also got kinda fat because I didn’t start off that lean and I didn’t proactively control estrogen (what I needed to do. I have lower shbg and am super sensitive to E2 in terms of sleep, appetite, and androgenic symptoms). Still currently better than I was natty and was recently able to cut to a leaner bf.

I just started test and primo (200 and 100 now but will titrate up later once I see within 2 weeks how my E is affected), but I’m toying with the idea of just doing the same cycle again that I previously did, but this time being more meticulous about diet and estrogen so my sleep doesn’t get totally fucked like it did last time, and so I minimize fat gain. That and I wouldn’t have to worry too much about hair, whereas I’ll need to monitor that consistently with primo.

On the flipside, my face bloated on test only, but that was likely also due to the fat gain, but not entirely. That was one reason I wanted to add primo to current cycle

Thoughts?

Not trying to compete, just trying to get a lean fake natty look

 

[F41l0r1337]

the bloat is more to nutrition/e2 management..

test/primo test/mast test/eq test/var are nice combinations matters which look u want..

max tolerable test dosage without AI + second anabolic for a bulk..

 

[monsterolympia]

best long term combo imo. 2:1 ratio

 

[marsupial]

the bloat is more to nutrition/e2 management..

test/primo test/mast test/eq test/var are nice combinations matters which look u want..

max tolerable test dosage without AI + second anabolic for a bulk..

For the time being I have to use an AI though. Primo’s ai affect doesn’t kick in right away. Certainly has not done so for me because I need 6.25 mg aromasin ED to sleep without sweating and maintain a normal appetite for now. That’s another thing that makes me wonder if I should keep primo around for a merely potential AI effect, an effect that some people also state they never got

I do want that dry look that primo can potentially give. Then again some people say “minimum 400 mg primo or you’re wasting time”

 

[Markimus Rex]

if e2 is an issue consider test prop eod, start low and build up to your desired weekly dosage, the peaks and troughs will prevent the build up of e2 and the peaks will give you a good boost

 

[Greenbay68]

Are you blasting and cruising?

What are your goals?

 

[marsupial]

if e2 is an issue consider test prop eod, start low and build up to your desired weekly dosage, the peaks and troughs will prevent the build up of e2 and the peaks will give you a good boost

Hmm I may, but I think the higher prop peaks would in fact lead to higher estrogen levels long term? I've also seen other people say this

 

[marsupial]

Are you blasting and cruising?

What are your goals?

Just to efficiently attain a fake natty look at 10-11% ish body fat. Currently on the fence about BnC still since this is my second cycle

 

[Greenbay68]

Just to efficiently attain a fake natty look at 10-11% ish body fat. Currently on the fence about BnC still since this is my second cycle

Well, you just blasted 350 test, now you’re cruising on 300 of test+primo, right?

Keep in mind, your sperm may not come back.

You need to decide if you’re going to build size first, then cut down, or try to lean bulk. Lean bulking takes an incredible amount of willpower. Be honest with yourself about whether you can do that or not, otherwise you’ll just be spinning your wheels and making no progress. I’ve been there, trust me.

Finally, when you have the size you’re looking for, leave primo to the old men like me, look for masteron or anavar for that finishing touch. Primo is very underwhelming. I’ve done a lot of it. I really wish it was as cool as I once thought.

 

[marsupial]

Well, you just blasted 350 test, now you’re cruising on 300 of test+primo, right?

Keep in mind, your sperm may not come back.

You need to decide if you’re going to build size first, then cut down, or try to lean bulk. Lean bulking takes an incredible amount of willpower. Be honest with yourself about whether you can do that or not, otherwise you’ll just be spinning your wheels and making no progress. I’ve been there, trust me.

Finally, when you have the size you’re looking for, leave primo to the old men like me, look for masteron or anavar for that finishing touch. Primo is very underwhelming. I’ve done a lot of it. I really wish it was as cool as I once thought.

I stopped for 15 weeks in between the 350 test and the current 300 test+primo. Didn’t use pct drugs because bloods showed I was recovering relatively quick, and I felt fine after stopping (I also tapered down in the final month)

I also froze my sperm electively before ever injecting anything

I think I’m gonna try for a lean bulk on the current cycle. Currently still even cutting right now because it’s gonna take 3 weeks before any nitrogen retention even happens.

Still unsure of pct or bnc for current blast. I have plenty of pct meds on hand if needed

 

[Greenbay68]

I stopped for 15 weeks in between the 350 test and the current 300 test+primo. Didn’t use pct drugs because bloods showed I was recovering relatively quick, and I felt fine after stopping (I also tapered down in the final month)

I also froze my sperm electively before ever injecting anything

I think I’m gonna try for a lean bulk on the current cycle. Currently still even cutting right now because it’s gonna take 3 weeks before any nitrogen retention even happens.

Still unsure of pct or bnc for current blast. I have plenty of pct meds on hand if needed

Sounds good, let us know how you do

 

[lukiss96]

Just to efficiently attain a fake natty look

Testosterone only at 200-300mg per week gets the job done effectively and quite safely for that goal.

P.S. strict diet and consistent training as always are the key for best results.

 

[jtmarlin]

Keep in mind, your sperm may not come back.

If he produced viable sperm before using AAS he will produce viable sperm after cessation.

 

[marsupial]

Testosterone only at 200-300mg per week gets the job done effectively and quite safely for that goal.

P.S. strict diet and consistent training as always are the key for best results.

Figured, esp for me who has baseline low shbg. I would’ve screwed myself kinda hard with sides if I did 500/week for my first cycle. Honestly may still keep the primo at 100 at least and just monitor for sides since I spent a lot on it lol

 

[Greenbay68]

Tha

If he produced viable sperm before using AAS he will produce viable sperm after cessation.

Thats not true at all.

My coworker and friend specifically got his sperm tested after 2-3 years of ‘cruising’, on 150-350 test, since his wife wanted to have one more kid (he’s 41, she is 35ish) His sperm count was low as well as dysfunctional. The sperm had two heads and looked weird. We had a really good laugh about it. He went off for about 6 months in order to improve. Well, his levels came up, but he just has more retarded two headed sperm floating around. I should add that they’ve been trying without success for a couple years now.

 

[jtmarlin]

Did he ever get tested before using AAS? Dr Rand has talked at great lengths about this. If you have intact parts that make successful sperm after puberty and before AAS use, you WILL make successful sperm after cessation given enough time. How much time is the question one is willing to wait but my guess is that your friend had non viable sperm to begin with or is taking some other AAS drug that he isn't mentioning.

In my personal situation I went from zero sperm to pregnant wife in 4 months after stopping 3 years of TRT.

 

[lukiss96]

Honestly may still keep the primo at 100 at least and just monitor for sides since I spent a lot on it lol

Primo is good. If you respond well to it then it's a fine choice.

 

[Ghoul]

Does 100 Primo accomplish anything when combined with 200 Test? I thought Primo was very weak and needed 400+ doses to see any impact.

 

[marsupial]

Does 100 Primo accomplish anything when combined with 200 Test? I thought Primo was very weak and needed 400+ doses to see any impact.

From my limited knowledge, if you want to go on stage, compete, and be huge and lean, then yes, you need primo at higher doses to have any effectiveness as an AI and to make your physique pop.

If you want a decent half natty physique, I think one can benefit from small doses. Maybe I’ll find out soon

 

[jtmarlin]

Does 100 Primo accomplish anything when combined with 200 Test? I thought Primo was very weak and needed 400+ doses to see any impact.

It will control E2 very well if one prefers E2 levels lower than they'd otherwise be. One thing I have noticed is that 200 test is stronger than 200 test + 100 primo and similar up the scale due to E2 not being reduced on test alone. The reduction in E2 has more of a reduced effect on anabolism than the addition of primo. Perhaps at much much higher doses this isn't the case.