Test, Deca, EQ, Mast, Primo HGH Cycle

[Nathaniel13]

Love the blood pressure stack, I’m also prone to high blood pressure, basically isolated systolic hypertension while on cycle and use the exact same stack. I’ll also be running test/deca/primo this winter. 20 weeks, adrol for the first 4 weeks and injectable sdrol for the last 4 weeks. I use injectable glutathione any time I use harsh orals and I’ve never had an issue with appetite/heartburn or feeling toxic, definitely worth having on hand

Smart man. Best to tame the BP beast early on. Do you feel that NAC is comparable to injectable glutathione, or do you think there’s no comparison considering the glutathione goes straight to the bloodstream unimpeded? I might also have to jump on that train

 

[Gonz0]

Smart man. Best to tame the BP beast early on. Do you feel that NAC is comparable to injectable glutathione, or do you think there’s no comparison considering the glutathione goes straight to the bloodstream unimpeded? I might also have to jump on that train

I personally believe that glutathione is superior, it also can helps your skin, I had some hyperpigmentation and after a couple months of 600mg a week inj glutathione it started to clear up so that’s just kind of an extra bonus. Check out some of the Korean beauty sites like meamo or skin reboot , they all carry glutathione and it’s really not that bad on the wallet at all ! All I’ve ever used for liver support is 1000mg Tudca and 600mg weekly inj glutathione, but if you don’t have any skin issues and aren’t a fan of pinning you could get very similar results with just nac and Tudca or liposomal glutathione capsules

 

[Nathaniel13]

I personally believe that glutathione is superior, it also can helps your skin, I had some hyperpigmentation and after a couple months of 600mg a week inj glutathione it started to clear up so that’s just kind of an extra bonus. Check out some of the Korean beauty sites like meamo or skin reboot , they all carry glutathione and it’s really not that bad on the wallet at all ! All I’ve ever used for liver support is 1000mg Tudca and 600mg weekly inj glutathione, but if you don’t have any skin issues and aren’t a fan of pinning you could get very similar results with just nac and Tudca or liposomal glutathione capsules

That makes sense man. I am a cheap-o so I will try the high dose NAC. Already taking 1000mg a day, I will bump up the dose. If you’re not taking already, astaxanthin is 6000 times more powerful than Vitamin C, ergothioneine is also a powerful antioxidant that’s been noted to be more powerful than glutathione.

But I personally believe we can benefit by taking all of them. Have heard a lot of people reference the studies of high dose antioxidants blunting hypertrophy.

My reasoning is, we have so much sh*t in our environment and food now inducing oxidative stress. I would rather end up with slightly less gains and a healthier, more resilient system than the opposite.

 

[Nathaniel13]

Approximate week 2 update:

Bodyweight is hovering around 226-227 morning fasted upon waking, and 230 during the day.

Feeling more “contractile” (when I flex, I can feel the increased water/pressure inside the muscle), but that has yet to extrapolate to increased strength or performance, yet.

Will be upping my daily caffeine dose from 100mg to 200mg-600mg per day as I am one of those who experience increased perceived inertia on cycle.

And def not one of those that necessarily enjoy the feeling of being on cycle in general, only while in the gym. I prefer the light, high mental clarity state of TRT in day to day life, but the short term heaviness and reduced cognitive acuity are worth the long term gains IMO.

Goal is a watery, slightly fluffy 240-245 by March. Will keep you guys updated

 

[xrayphoton13]

I like the idea of anavar, as one feels so much better on it than anadrol. I love strength/power but I also love feeling good. You raise a good point sir

Edit: and happy thanksgiving to you and everyone else at meso

Something that's helped me recently is to do half and half so 25mg anavar/25mg anadrol. Still feels pretty good and keeps me from getting the tiredness of anadrol

 

[Nathaniel13]

Something that's helped me recently is to do half and half so 25mg anavar/25mg anadrol. Still feels pretty good and keeps me from getting the tiredness of anadrol

Alright, this is legitimately genius. Was considering gently ushering anadrol off the cycle stage (just turned 30 and prioritizing health a ‘bit’ more), but this is a balance I can get behind. As you said, sounds like something you can take advantage of without feeling completely wrecked.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Alright, this is legitimately genius. Was considering gently ushering anadrol off the cycle stage (just turned 30 and prioritizing health a ‘bit’ more), but this is a balance I can get behind. As you said, sounds like something you can take advantage of without feeling completely wrecked.

I'm about to hit 40 and it's been working for me during my cut/recomp. If I was bulking this combo would still work but I might consider dbol/anadrol instead. I've heard great things about that combo as well

 

[Nathaniel13]

I'm about to hit 40 and it's been working for me during my cut/recomp. If I was bulking this combo would still work but I might consider dbol/anadrol instead. I've heard great things about that combo as well

The dbol and anadrol sounds like a heavenly combo, but that’d shoot my water retention and BP through the roof. I’m currently on a microdose of indapamide (that’s probably frowned upon by most here) and already feel tons better

I ordered the Anavar and going to try your var / drol split strategy. Legitimately one of the coolest yet unsuspecting ideas I have heard in a while.

 

[Jaxino]

Hey guys. Any advice or tweaks on cycle design would be appreciated. I’ve been enhanced for 4 years now. Started working out 5 years ago at 165lbs.

Current Stats:
-220lbs (5’11”) morning weight before food or drink
-9-10% body fat (visible abs and obliques with veins if in warm temp room)
-435lb bench (wrapped touch and go)
-645lb squat (wrapped low bar)
-175lb weighted chin up (I don’t do deadlifts)

Decent genetics to have gained 55 lean pounds in the training journey so far. Would post pics but covered in tattoos. I have what I’d consider good knowledge of anabolic usage but not excellent like many of the vets in here.

My goal is to maximize strength and mass while minimizing side effects and staying as healthy as possible. I get my blood work done twice a year (I know, should be more) and only thing that’s ever been slightly skewed is my hematocrit, liver enzymes after oral usage, and creatinine (but not dangerously)

Cycle is planned as follows:

CYCLE Wk 1-4: 500 Test, 400 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH



Saturday:

-250 test | 1ml

-200 Mast/Primo | 1ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wednesday:

-250 test | 1ml

-200 Mast/Primo | 1ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wk 4-12 625mg Test, 600 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH



Saturday:

-375 test | 1.5ml

-300 Mast/Primo | 1.5ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wednesday:

-250 test | 1ml

-300 Mast/Primo | 1.5ml

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Nutrition is as follows (I won’t include all supplements as it is an exhaustive list)


Typical Meal #1:

~0.6-0.7lbs of tilapia | 60-70g protein / 260-300 calories

~Hemp seeds | 30-40g protein / 510-670 calories

~Avocado oil | 5-6tbsp | 600 - 720

~3 dates | 60 calories

~Arugula



1560-1660 calories





Typical Meal #2:

~Vegan protein powder | 90g protein / 510 calories

~Powdered sugar | 100-120 calories

~BCAAs


700 calories



Typical Meal #3:

Same as Meal #1


1560-1660 calories


Sweetened drink / juice | 1000 calories

Total: 4800-5000 calories



Are there any tweaks I can make to the cycle?

Also, I want to add anadrol for strength gains, but not until everything has kicked in to derive max benefit, but not towards end of cycle once the body is already a bit fatigued / desensitized to compounds. When EXACTLY would you guys recommend?

I would just run

10iu HGH daily
1g Test long ester
600 EQ
400 NPP or 200 Tren if you prefer it

Some Humalog pre and postwo

 

[Nathaniel13]

I would just run

10iu HGH daily
1g Test long ester
600 EQ
400 NPP or 200 Tren if you prefer it

Some Humalog pre and postwo

Hey Jax, that sounds quite fruitful for someone that can handle high test and high nand.

I recently decided on a more John Jewett / Erick Janicki-esque approach, with less test and more dht. Actually the mass monster out of Russia, Sergey Danilov is doing so also.

Granted, Jewett’s and Danilov’s dosages are far beyond what I’m doing.

I switched to:

-375 Test
-800 Mast/Primo 50/50 Blend
-100 (yes, 100 lol) EQ/Deca 50/50 Blend

Also, added a microdose of indapamide.

Went from watery/bloated, high BP feeling to now quite dry and amazing. Thirst has slightly increased but I can live with that for feeling more energetic and having a cleaner aesthetic day in and day out.

I will keep you guys updated on the progress