Test, Deca, EQ, Mast, Primo HGH Cycle

[Nathaniel13]

Love the blood pressure stack, I’m also prone to high blood pressure, basically isolated systolic hypertension while on cycle and use the exact same stack. I’ll also be running test/deca/primo this winter. 20 weeks, adrol for the first 4 weeks and injectable sdrol for the last 4 weeks. I use injectable glutathione any time I use harsh orals and I’ve never had an issue with appetite/heartburn or feeling toxic, definitely worth having on hand

Smart man. Best to tame the BP beast early on. Do you feel that NAC is comparable to injectable glutathione, or do you think there’s no comparison considering the glutathione goes straight to the bloodstream unimpeded? I might also have to jump on that train

 

[Gonz0]

Smart man. Best to tame the BP beast early on. Do you feel that NAC is comparable to injectable glutathione, or do you think there’s no comparison considering the glutathione goes straight to the bloodstream unimpeded? I might also have to jump on that train

I personally believe that glutathione is superior, it also can helps your skin, I had some hyperpigmentation and after a couple months of 600mg a week inj glutathione it started to clear up so that’s just kind of an extra bonus. Check out some of the Korean beauty sites like meamo or skin reboot , they all carry glutathione and it’s really not that bad on the wallet at all ! All I’ve ever used for liver support is 1000mg Tudca and 600mg weekly inj glutathione, but if you don’t have any skin issues and aren’t a fan of pinning you could get very similar results with just nac and Tudca or liposomal glutathione capsules

 

[Nathaniel13]

I personally believe that glutathione is superior, it also can helps your skin, I had some hyperpigmentation and after a couple months of 600mg a week inj glutathione it started to clear up so that’s just kind of an extra bonus. Check out some of the Korean beauty sites like meamo or skin reboot , they all carry glutathione and it’s really not that bad on the wallet at all ! All I’ve ever used for liver support is 1000mg Tudca and 600mg weekly inj glutathione, but if you don’t have any skin issues and aren’t a fan of pinning you could get very similar results with just nac and Tudca or liposomal glutathione capsules

That makes sense man. I am a cheap-o so I will try the high dose NAC. Already taking 1000mg a day, I will bump up the dose. If you’re not taking already, astaxanthin is 6000 times more powerful than Vitamin C, ergothioneine is also a powerful antioxidant that’s been noted to be more powerful than glutathione.

But I personally believe we can benefit by taking all of them. Have heard a lot of people reference the studies of high dose antioxidants blunting hypertrophy.

My reasoning is, we have so much sh*t in our environment and food now inducing oxidative stress. I would rather end up with slightly less gains and a healthier, more resilient system than the opposite.

 

[Nathaniel13]

Approximate week 2 update:

Bodyweight is hovering around 226-227 morning fasted upon waking, and 230 during the day.

Feeling more “contractile” (when I flex, I can feel the increased water/pressure inside the muscle), but that has yet to extrapolate to increased strength or performance, yet.

Will be upping my daily caffeine dose from 100mg to 200mg-600mg per day as I am one of those who experience increased perceived inertia on cycle.

And def not one of those that necessarily enjoy the feeling of being on cycle in general, only while in the gym. I prefer the light, high mental clarity state of TRT in day to day life, but the short term heaviness and reduced cognitive acuity are worth the long term gains IMO.

Goal is a watery, slightly fluffy 240-245 by March. Will keep you guys updated

 

[xrayphoton13]

I like the idea of anavar, as one feels so much better on it than anadrol. I love strength/power but I also love feeling good. You raise a good point sir

Edit: and happy thanksgiving to you and everyone else at meso

Something that's helped me recently is to do half and half so 25mg anavar/25mg anadrol. Still feels pretty good and keeps me from getting the tiredness of anadrol

 

[Nathaniel13]

Something that's helped me recently is to do half and half so 25mg anavar/25mg anadrol. Still feels pretty good and keeps me from getting the tiredness of anadrol

Alright, this is legitimately genius. Was considering gently ushering anadrol off the cycle stage (just turned 30 and prioritizing health a ‘bit’ more), but this is a balance I can get behind. As you said, sounds like something you can take advantage of without feeling completely wrecked.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Alright, this is legitimately genius. Was considering gently ushering anadrol off the cycle stage (just turned 30 and prioritizing health a ‘bit’ more), but this is a balance I can get behind. As you said, sounds like something you can take advantage of without feeling completely wrecked.

I'm about to hit 40 and it's been working for me during my cut/recomp. If I was bulking this combo would still work but I might consider dbol/anadrol instead. I've heard great things about that combo as well

 

[Nathaniel13]

I'm about to hit 40 and it's been working for me during my cut/recomp. If I was bulking this combo would still work but I might consider dbol/anadrol instead. I've heard great things about that combo as well

The dbol and anadrol sounds like a heavenly combo, but that’d shoot my water retention and BP through the roof. I’m currently on a microdose of indapamide (that’s probably frowned upon by most here) and already feel tons better

I ordered the Anavar and going to try your var / drol split strategy. Legitimately one of the coolest yet unsuspecting ideas I have heard in a while.

 

[Jaxino]

Hey guys. Any advice or tweaks on cycle design would be appreciated. I’ve been enhanced for 4 years now. Started working out 5 years ago at 165lbs.

Current Stats:
-220lbs (5’11”) morning weight before food or drink
-9-10% body fat (visible abs and obliques with veins if in warm temp room)
-435lb bench (wrapped touch and go)
-645lb squat (wrapped low bar)
-175lb weighted chin up (I don’t do deadlifts)

Decent genetics to have gained 55 lean pounds in the training journey so far. Would post pics but covered in tattoos. I have what I’d consider good knowledge of anabolic usage but not excellent like many of the vets in here.

My goal is to maximize strength and mass while minimizing side effects and staying as healthy as possible. I get my blood work done twice a year (I know, should be more) and only thing that’s ever been slightly skewed is my hematocrit, liver enzymes after oral usage, and creatinine (but not dangerously)

Cycle is planned as follows:

CYCLE Wk 1-4: 500 Test, 400 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH



Saturday:

-250 test | 1ml

-200 Mast/Primo | 1ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wednesday:

-250 test | 1ml

-200 Mast/Primo | 1ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wk 4-12 625mg Test, 600 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH



Saturday:

-375 test | 1.5ml

-300 Mast/Primo | 1.5ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wednesday:

-250 test | 1ml

-300 Mast/Primo | 1.5ml

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Nutrition is as follows (I won’t include all supplements as it is an exhaustive list)


Typical Meal #1:

~0.6-0.7lbs of tilapia | 60-70g protein / 260-300 calories

~Hemp seeds | 30-40g protein / 510-670 calories

~Avocado oil | 5-6tbsp | 600 - 720

~3 dates | 60 calories

~Arugula



1560-1660 calories





Typical Meal #2:

~Vegan protein powder | 90g protein / 510 calories

~Powdered sugar | 100-120 calories

~BCAAs


700 calories



Typical Meal #3:

Same as Meal #1


1560-1660 calories


Sweetened drink / juice | 1000 calories

Total: 4800-5000 calories



Are there any tweaks I can make to the cycle?

Also, I want to add anadrol for strength gains, but not until everything has kicked in to derive max benefit, but not towards end of cycle once the body is already a bit fatigued / desensitized to compounds. When EXACTLY would you guys recommend?

I would just run

10iu HGH daily
1g Test long ester
600 EQ
400 NPP or 200 Tren if you prefer it

Some Humalog pre and postwo

 

[Nathaniel13]

I would just run

10iu HGH daily
1g Test long ester
600 EQ
400 NPP or 200 Tren if you prefer it

Some Humalog pre and postwo

Hey Jax, that sounds quite fruitful for someone that can handle high test and high nand.

I recently decided on a more John Jewett / Erick Janicki-esque approach, with less test and more dht. Actually the mass monster out of Russia, Sergey Danilov is doing so also.

Granted, Jewett’s and Danilov’s dosages are far beyond what I’m doing.

I switched to:

-375 Test
-800 Mast/Primo 50/50 Blend
-100 (yes, 100 lol) EQ/Deca 50/50 Blend

Also, added a microdose of indapamide.

Went from watery/bloated, high BP feeling to now quite dry and amazing. Thirst has slightly increased but I can live with that for feeling more energetic and having a cleaner aesthetic day in and day out.

I will keep you guys updated on the progress

 

[Jaxino]

Hey Jax, that sounds quite fruitful for someone that can handle high test and high nand.

I recently decided on a more John Jewett / Erick Janicki-esque approach, with less test and more dht. Actually the mass monster out of Russia, Sergey Danilov is doing so also.

Granted, Jewett’s and Danilov’s dosages are far beyond what I’m doing.

I switched to:

-375 Test
-800 Mast/Primo 50/50 Blend
-100 (yes, 100 lol) EQ/Deca 50/50 Blend

Also, added a microdose of indapamide.

Went from watery/bloated, high BP feeling to now quite dry and amazing. Thirst has slightly increased but I can live with that for feeling more energetic and having a cleaner aesthetic day in and day out.

I will keep you guys updated on the progress

Jewett is currently running 2.5 g of testosterone sustanon, 1 g of masteron enanthate, 15 IU of pharmaceutical-grade HGH, 500 mg metformin, 40 mg telmisartan, 1 mg MOTS-c, and 10 mg methylene blue.

During bulking phases he remains perpetually on 3.5 g of total gear.

The protocol you referenced dates back quite a while.
Cycling remains an extremely individual matter; high-dose testosterone still performs exceptionally well and, in my considered opinion, continues to represent the most effective approach.
At the present time, it is frankly the worst possible moment to incorporate DHT derivatives, as the overwhelming majority of underground labs are peddling counterfeit masteron and primobolan. Should you have access to raw powders, by all means have them analytically tested; only then may one reasonably proceed.

Yet believe it or not, virtually no one has ever achieved truly massive proportions relying on a low-testosterone, high-DHT or high-anabolic paradigm.

The sole low-testosterone cycle that actually holds logical merit, should one genuinely wish to restrain testosterone dosage, is a modest testosterone base paired with a substantially higher nandrolone decanoate component

Also for my experience there's no need to push super high doses of Test like 2,5g.
Test at 1g already does his job quite well.

Justin Harris always said that most pros take between 2-3g of gear on offseason and I think it's accurate.
The ones that use less usually have 19-nors and the ones the use more have just Test+EQ/Primo.

I don't think that Masteron is a builder at all, keeps you dry on off-season which can be a plus to see your progress but just that.

I am more oriented on:
High test 1-1,5g
EQ whatever is need to regulate my E2
low dose of TrenA/E 50-200 max
One vial of HGH generic a day
Humalog pre and postwo

Ofc you have to do 5k+ steps a day and at least 5x20min cardio, but this is the lifestyle to keep you insulin sensitive.

 

[Nathaniel13]

Jewett is currently running 2.5 g of testosterone sustanon, 1 g of masteron enanthate, 15 IU of pharmaceutical-grade HGH, 500 mg metformin, 40 mg telmisartan, 1 mg MOTS-c, and 10 mg methylene blue.

During bulking phases he remains perpetually on 3.5 g of total gear.

The protocol you referenced dates back quite a while.
Cycling remains an extremely individual matter; high-dose testosterone still performs exceptionally well and, in my considered opinion, continues to represent the most effective approach.
At the present time, it is frankly the worst possible moment to incorporate DHT derivatives, as the overwhelming majority of underground labs are peddling counterfeit masteron and primobolan. Should you have access to raw powders, by all means have them analytically tested; only then may one reasonably proceed.

Yet believe it or not, virtually no one has ever achieved truly massive proportions relying on a low-testosterone, high-DHT or high-anabolic paradigm.

The sole low-testosterone cycle that actually holds logical merit, should one genuinely wish to restrain testosterone dosage, is a modest testosterone base paired with a substantially higher nandrolone decanoate component

Also for my experience there's no need to push super high doses of Test like 2,5g.
Test at 1g already does his job quite well.

Justin Harris always said that most pros take between 2-3g of gear on offseason and I think it's accurate.
The ones that use less usually have 19-nors and the ones the use more have just Test+EQ/Primo.

I don't think that Masteron is a builder at all, keeps you dry on off-season which can be a plus to see your progress but just that.

I am more oriented on:
High test 1-1,5g
EQ whatever is need to regulate my E2
low dose of TrenA/E 50-200 max
One vial of HGH generic a day
Humalog pre and postwo

Ofc you have to do 5k+ steps a day and at least 5x20min cardio, but this is the lifestyle to keep you insulin sensitive.

I totally get that works for you man, and I don’t refute at all that that may be used and works by many other pros.

With that being said, as we all know and as you pointed out, this muscle growth / strength gain game isn’t a one size fits all.

Eric Janicki runs 300-400mg of test and a higher DHT in his off season. Jay Cutler’s dosages were around 500 test and 600 EQ in his off season.

Then strength guys like Colton Engelbrecht and Larry Wheels barely do/did 500 test in their strength and mass pushes with other compounds like anadrol, dbol, and mast in the mix.

Given how much 5-6iu of HGH and the cycle dosages I mentioned here puts the average individual above the anabolic baseline, it’s not unreasonable to assume that they’re sufficiently promotive of substantial growth in their respective dosages.

All of my compounds were bought earlier this year, btw, and from a tested and verified source here on the forum.

I do agree that Masteron isn’t the best mass builder. Far from it. With that being said, I am not driving hypertrophy only through means of AAS.

Masteron is great for boosting strength for me. My last training block before the cycle, I did a PR of 365 on bench for 10 reps.

Not elite by any means, but the point is, in my experience, you can elicit a serious muscle growth response through heavy weight, high rep training.

Take a weight that’s RPE 10 for you that you can only hit 8-10 reps with, set those PRs, overreach the week before deload, and smash it, is my philosophy that’s lead to consistent hypertrophy and strength gains for me.

I have gone from 165lbs to 225lbs (currently 230ish on cycle, not true weight) in 5 years while maintaining a low body fat percentage (maintaining quite visible abs the entire time) with this method.

Ideal from a hypertrophy standpoint? Probably not.Could I gain more muscle with what you are recommending? Very likely

But, this is the way that makes me feel healthiest and keeps me the strongest. If I could feel healthy doing it the way you are recommending, believe me, I would man.

 

[Nathaniel13]

My opinion: The cycle that lets you train the hardest, eat the most, sleep the best, and stay consistent the longest almost always wins in the end.