Katelove99
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Can anyone tell me the Saturation time for Tesf Decanate??
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Test decaonate saturation time
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UncleBuns
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Depends on the level you are trying to reach, the frequency of injection, and the mg's per in injection on your way to saturation.
It doesn’t depend on the level you are trying to achieve and frequency. Just dosage injected for every week.
Spaceman Spiff
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I meant you can reach saturation faster with higher dosage in first few weeks then lower it.
For all drugs, saturation is about 4 times it’s half life if the normal dosage is given like you said.
I should have been more clear, my bad
UncleBuns
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Yes, it does. If you want want get to 900 total T or 1,500 total T and you are doing 200 mg a week you're going to reach 900 a lot faster. That's just one variable though. Obviously the other variable is frequency of injection and size of injection while trying to reach saturation.
That is not how it is done in pharma industry.
Off cource you will reach 900 faster with same dosage. But when we talk about the saturation, we talk about the time it takes for a certain dosage to reach it’s steady state and it takes about 4 times it’s half life if the dosage is the same the whole time. It doesn’t even depend on the drug itself nor frequency, just half life.
I know it for certain because i had to learn it last year for my pharmacodynamics en kinetics exam.
Katelove99
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Basically I wanted to see if it was similar time frame as to something like test e or c which takes about 4-5weeks to reach peak levels
LGOP528
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Saturation point would be the individual highest blood concentration obtainable for a given dose. 900 TT would not be the saturation point if 1500 was possible for a given dose.
Frequency of injection and size go hand in hand. Unless you don’t split them evenly. This will change the value of the saturation point but not the time to reach it.
LGOP528
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Use steroid plotter to work out a dosing schedule to front load test D if you want to reach your saturation point faster.
For C or E, I double the dose for the first week and then go to regular dosing after that. Spend some time with the steroid plotter it will help you understand.
I also use it for changing between esters, so if you decide to switch from test D to test P, you can plot a schedule that is a nice transition.
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UncleBuns
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Yeah, you're repeating what I said in a weird way. If someone takes 200 mg a week, the amount of time it will take for them to hit 900 total test will come sooner than if they are trying to hit 1,500 total test, If they reach that at all. If you take 500 mg a week you will get to 1,500 total sooner than you will get taking 200 a week with a goal of reaching 900. The The amount of milligrams per week to sustain a total test level once saturation is reached is different than the "loading phase". You could just take the amount you plan to take long-term every week during the loading phase, but it will take a long time to reach saturation. Most people will speed up the loading phase by doing higher doses until they reach saturation and then settle in at their regular dose.
Each person will have a saturation point for a given milligrams per week. Of course your total test level will increase or decrease with the amount of milligrams per week you use. Saturation would simply be when you hit a steady state for your long-term dosing.
All I'm saying is The time to reach saturation depends what "saturation point" you have chosen, how frequently you inject, and how much you inject during the " loading phase". Any of these variables can be altered to change the timeline
I'm tired of arguing about this. It's not very complicated but believe what you will.
UncleBuns
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Maybe. It depends on how frequently you inject and how much. If you are going to start out with it injecting the same dose with the same frequency that you plan to do long-term, then it will take much longer than C or E. In order to speed up the process, most do a loading phase where they inject much larger amounts for a shorter period of time to reach saturation quicker. You can use one of the common plotter websites to ballpark what you need to take over how much time to reach the level you want before you switch to your "maintenance" dosing schedule.
LGOP528
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Yes, a loading phase changes the timeline.
Picking a weekly dose and sticking to a schedule, frequency doesn’t not change the timeline to reach the saturation point. You can only pick a saturation point by picking your dose and frequency. Time to saturation and saturation point are two separate quantities and completely different units of measurement. I also agree this is not complicated. It can also be verified by plotting different scenarios.
AlexDavis43
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What's the point?
To compress the time of a cycle (via front-loading, in which case you could just use a shorter ester)?
Or to reach TRT steady state faster?
If it's the latter, a few more weeks to reach steady state is nothing. This is a long game.
To compress the time of a cycle (via front-loading, in which case you could just use a shorter ester)?
Or to reach TRT steady state faster?
If it's the latter, a few more weeks to reach steady state is nothing. This is a long game.
