Test-dht derivative ratio

accidentaljedi173

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Does anyone run a dht derivative, such as mast or primo higher than they run test.

Obviously primo would be the least likely. I would like to rather gauge opinions on this. I want to run a gram of gear my next blast but would like to try to keep test at 250mg, and fill in the rest with masteron to be specific. What are any opinions or experiences with a cycle like this.
 
Not me for sure, I always run a ratio of 2:1 Test to primo, anything less than this and my E2 will tank.

So for example 500 Test 250 Primo.

Primo doesn't do the above to everyone, we are all different so you should try it first and see with your bloods where you at.

No experience with masteron, never tried.
 
Does anyone run a dht derivative, such as mast or primo higher than they run test.

Obviously primo would be the least likely. I would like to rather gauge opinions on this. I want to run a gram of gear my next blast but would like to try to keep test at 250mg, and fill in the rest with masteron to be specific. What are any opinions or experiences with a cycle like this.
I’ve done multiple runs with test around 250-350 and mast or primo from 250 up to 1000.

Primo, the joints dry out like crazy and libido tanks on the high end.

Mast, my blood pressure rises and I get headaches on the high end.

I could ‘get away ‘ with 250/600 of either, but libido suffers a bit, and joints aren’t awesome.

I have come to the conclusion of 1:1 unfortunately. Really loved the idea of high primo low test.
 
I’ve done multiple runs with test around 250-350 and mast or primo from 250 up to 1000.

Primo, the joints dry out like crazy and libido tanks on the high end.

Mast, my blood pressure rises and I get headaches on the high end.

I could ‘get away ‘ with 250/600 of either, but libido suffers a bit, and joints aren’t awesome.

I have come to the conclusion of 1:1 unfortunately. Really loved the idea of high primo low test.
Was thinking 250 test and 850 mast. But now I'm thinking having test as the secondary aas might not be a good idea. Maybe 500 test 400 mast?
 
What's the idea behind low test + higher other anabolic? Did you hit a plateau with Test where side effects are untolerable?
 
What's the idea behind low test + higher other anabolic? Did you hit a plateau with Test where side effects are untolerable?
I wouldn't say the sides were intolerable. However, I did a short cycle of 500 test only, and I let my e2 go through the roof so once I came down to cruise I got acne, that I'm still dealing with.

Ideally I would like to do a 20 week cycle of test and primo, but I have an ass load of masteron to use up. Maybe I'll do 800 test with 200 primo. Depends how I respond to primo though I've seen that some people respond terribly to it.

Really to answer your question I'm just kinda experimenting with masteron. I wasn't sure if using it as the primary aas over test was a good idea, but an idea that interested me.
 
Im running 375 test e/week with 600 mast e/week and loving it honestly
I was thinking something similar to this. Do you think 250mg test with 850mg mast be about the same. Or is the test being higher almost necessary since 250mg is my cruise dose. I'm a bit torn about this.
 
One benefit with mast and primo is that allows you to run test higher without the need of AI. Although i still can't understand why not use an AI. Taking 500mg of test without something to control estrogens and experience side effects of high e2 or e2 fluctuations it's clearly your fault, you can't blame test.

If you want to run moderate test and high secondary better try mast because primo there's a high chance it will bomb your e2.

If i was you and wanted to plan a cycle on a gram, i'd do 500 T + 400 Mast or 600 Test + 300 primo and after a month do labs, see where e2 is and adjust accordingly.

Also, keep in mind that some guys have to deal with acne with mast or primo, from what i know acne isn't only related to e2 but in test and DHT fluctuations.
 
One benefit with mast and primo is that allows you to run test higher without the need of AI. Although i still can't understand why not use an AI. Taking 500mg of test without something to control estrogens and experience side effects of high e2 or e2 fluctuations it's clearly your fault, you can't blame test.

If you want to run moderate test and high secondary better try mast because primo there's a high chance it will bomb your e2.

If i was you and wanted to plan a cycle on a gram, i'd do 500 T + 400 Mast or 600 Test + 300 primo and after a month do labs, see where e2 is and adjust accordingly.

Also, keep in mind that some guys have to deal with acne with mast or primo, from what i know acne isn't only related to e2 but in test and DHT fluctuations.
It was my first time running test at 500mg. I did dial in an ai after. I've run masteron 1:1 with 250mg test already and had zero sides. I felt the best on that cycle. I would assume with 500 test, 400mast I'll most likely have to get on an AI, which I have no problem with. Im pretty torn with how I want to handle this next blast.
 
It was my first time running test at 500mg. I did dial in an ai after. I've run masteron 1:1 with 250mg test already and had zero sides. I felt the best on that cycle. I would assume with 500 test, 400mast I'll most likely have to get on an AI, which I have no problem with. Im pretty torn with how I want to handle this next blast.

Ok, to summarize it this is just my opinion bro. I think having lower test and higher mast maybe has it's place if 1) you can't handle high test or 2) you've already put the desired amount of mass and now you are aiming to improve physique and details etc. I still haven't use mast, i already bought some but now i'm running primo. I will probably use it on the next cut when i'll be leaner than i am now.
 
I was thinking something similar to this. Do you think 250mg test with 850mg mast be about the same. Or is the test being higher almost necessary since 250mg is my cruise dose. I'm a bit torn about this.
Id think something like 500 test and 850mg mast would be solid,
or like 400 test, 850 mast

If youre test dose is too low and youre running high mast it can almost make you look flat/stringy. The only reason im running 375 test and 600 mast is because i like to keep my test dose lower when running tren to avoid aromitization/estrogen related sides. I find 375 test helps me keep that "full' look, so it's just my preferred dose with the current cycle im running
 
Ok, to summarize it this is just my opinion bro. I think having lower test and higher mast maybe has it's place if 1) you can't handle high test or 2) you've already put the desired amount of mass and now you are aiming to improve physique and details etc. I still haven't use mast, i already bought some but now i'm running primo. I will probably use it on the next cut when i'll be leaner than i am now.
Kind of want to run some primo on my cruise, and potentially into next blast. How are you liking it so far, or is it too soon to tell?
 
Kind of want to run some primo on my cruise, and potentially into next blast. How are you liking it so far, or is it too soon to tell?

I think it's quite soon, i'm 20 days on 150 primo and 275 Test but because of the sq pinning the effects will delay a little longer. I'm on a deficit, already looking a bit cleaner, i'm still full ofc because it's the first month of caloric restriction, scale just moved 2kg this week (took a while) but i've lost 5cm (2in) from belly which means i'm starting to recomp. Although i have much bf to lose..

One thing i noticed though it's a slight decrease in libido, after almost 10 days i added primo to test. Perhaps i'm biased and it's in my mind, because lately the "me too" on that thread was on fire..i was kinda expecting it so i don't know really maybe it's placebo. Or maybe in conjuction with caloric restriction it is an actual thing. Next week i'm going for bloods, i'm curious how it will affect my e2.
 
What's the idea behind low test + higher other anabolic? Did you hit a plateau with Test where side effects are untolerable?
The idea (idealistically) for me at least, was to basically have my dialed in TRT dose, and let another anabolic do the heavy lifting.

There is a small chunk of people like me who just can't handle higher doses of testosterone for some reason, or we get bogged down by blood pressure or estrogen issues. Ideally, I don't want to be on BP meds or AI. I'd rather just find an AAS stack.

In a perfect world, I'd love to run 200mg test +100omg of primo. I'd get nice small clean gains with pretty good health. in reality, almost everything fucks with estrogen or progesterone. I'm 41, I'm not looking to add bodyweight, more looking to fill in weak spots. a pound here, a pound there. Get proportional.

So far, what works FOR ME, is 350/350 test/mast, or 350/600 primo. I also feel great at 250/100 test/primo. I've considered perma-cruising on this.
 
Kind of want to run some primo on my cruise, and potentially into next blast. How are you liking it so far, or is it too soon to tell?
Primo is slooooow and small. Unless you are at or near your desired physique, I'd use other compounds. If I HAD to compare it, it's like 10mg of anavar. Very mild, and where test takes 4-6 weeks to kick in and see results, I think it may take 8-12 weeks for primo. But it's gentle and thats the tradeoff.
 
So far, what works FOR ME, is 350/350 test/mast, or 350/600 primo. I also feel great at 250/100 test/primo. I've considered perma-cruising on this.


So you use almost 1/2 ratio for Test and primo and 1/1 ratio with test and mast? Do you have similar e2 on both of these? Because you're literally one of the very few guys i see that runs primo double the T dose without burying the e2.
 
The idea (idealistically) for me at least, was to basically have my dialed in TRT dose, and let another anabolic do the heavy lifting.

There is a small chunk of people like me who just can't handle higher doses of testosterone for some reason, or we get bogged down by blood pressure or estrogen issues. Ideally, I don't want to be on BP meds or AI. I'd rather just find an AAS stack.

In a perfect world, I'd love to run 200mg test +100omg of primo. I'd get nice small clean gains with pretty good health. in reality, almost everything fucks with estrogen or progesterone. I'm 41, I'm not looking to add bodyweight, more looking to fill in weak spots. a pound here, a pound there. Get proportional.

So far, what works FOR ME, is 350/350 test/mast, or 350/600 primo. I also feel great at 250/100 test/primo. I've considered perma-cruising on this.
What are your blood markers on a dose like that with primo?
 
i drive mast always higher as my test.. like 600T/700M... higher i get high e2 sides.. higher mast dose my prostate gets a hit and i piss myself
Primo i start experiments soon
 
Where is the EQ? Or deca/npp? Or orals?

Low test is fine if you arent after the mass monster status but you need to sub in a heavy hitter. Mast and Primo are not it unless you are willing to bump those doses up but that will have its own side effects, especially in a low test environment.

Thing is, from the complaints you have about your 500mg test cycle, you dont need to go low test. You need to give your body time to adapt.

Tren gave me cystic acne my first go or two. Never again after that. Test, use to break me out above trt dose. I can sit on 750mg with clear skin now. Let the body adapt.


Edit

You said it yourself earlier, 250mg test with 250mg Mast was your best cycle to date. Replicate it... bump the dose.

500mg test 500mg mast. Dose AI as needed (bloodwork is cheap until you figure out how much you need) and you wont have acne problems.
 
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