Test e 300 pharmacom bloodwork

[Dw725]

So here's the details. Pharmacom test e 300, 2 1ml shots , one Wednesday, one Sunday. Total of 600/week. Also ran dbol the first 4.5 weeks. Got blood drawn exactly 6 weeks from the first pin, around 43 hours after my most recent pin on Sunday evening. Pretty happy with results. I prefer my estradiol a pinch lower , but this was also about 36 hours from my last arimidex dosing. Taking .5 eod pharmacy grade astra zeneca arimidex. My liver values elevated I assume from just recently ending the dbol, which was 30 mgs per day. Input appreciated, so far everything has seemed great on my end. Good weight gains and strength just climbing daily it feels.

 

[IronJulius]

nice TT numbers thanks

 

[Dw725]

Bumping for comparison to results of weekly vs bi weekly dosing of same gear.

 

[benchyourmom]

I was tracking with you, thinking split pinning you got worse numbers. I single pinned for my last bloods and got same numbers either way. There's some other factor I haven't figured out. I've been getting good body composition results like you said too!

 

[G2Ready]

Mine was 3433 with est at 41 at .5 arimidex EOD -- crazy close to how we metabolize T..... And also good to see PC arimidex did me justice

Thanks for BW

 

[XKawN]

So, that's 5.7 times. Is that good?

 

[G2Ready]

So, that's 5.7 times. Is that good?

I would say it ain't great, just happy my numbers are close to somebody else's, most people getting close to 5,000 range with 600mg wk with PC--- thought I was loosing my mind

 

[Dw725]

It was slightly over 10x my last pin, which is consistent with bloods I've drawn other times. I posted bloods from my friend running the same gear same order and he pinned all his weekly dose in one shot, so 2cc every Sunday, and got his levels in the 5k range. In my experience split dosing vs single dosing produces different t levels when drawn 48 hours after pin, but difference in results was not noticeable. There was however difference in estrogen when taking the same ai protocol.

So, that's 5.7 times. Is that good?

I would say it ain't great, just happy my numbers are close to somebody else's, most people getting close to 5,000 range with 600mg wk with PC--- thought I was loosing my mind

 

[NFRCR]

What about experiments on gains single dosing vs double dosing? Double dosing would create a smaller difference between peaks and lows during the week. Could it be that single dosing creates a bigger difference and then you will have better gains because every week your receptors will feel a "shock" compared to the low before the injection?

 

[Dr JIM]

It was slightly over 10x my last pin, which is consistent with bloods I've drawn other times. I posted bloods from my friend running the same gear same order and he pinned all his weekly dose in one shot, so 2cc every Sunday, and got his levels in the 5k range. In my experience split dosing vs single dosing produces different t levels when drawn 48 hours after pin, but difference in results was not noticeable. There was however difference in estrogen when taking the same ai protocol.

Regardless of the results you're trying to compare apples to oranges by varying the ANY of the following;
1) time from last pin to blood draw
2) the pin to pin interval (like once a week or twice a week)
3) the number of injections prior to bloods being drawn
4) the use of some ancillaries HCG in particular and even AIs or SERMS in select cases

To that end the most reliable and reproducible data is derived from TRT patients who have; reached STEADY STATE levels, pinning T-c (or T-e), ONCE WEEKLY, for roughly
4-6 WEEKS, and whose blood is drawn at PEAK CONCENTRATIONS, between
28-36 hours AFTER the last injection.

Following this outline provides the most reliable dose/response curve and coincides with a TT level of bt 8 to 12 times the last pinned dose.

For example if you pin 800mg, following this outline, the TT level should approximate 8000ng/dl,
(+ or - 2K)

To that end its very important for mates to understand since most UGLs are fully aware such estimates are relatively easy to accomplish on behalf of their customers, TT is much less likely to be "under dosed", by larger volume UGL and is not necessarily reflective of their overall product quality, IME.

 

[Dw725]

Regardless of the results you're trying to compare apples to oranges by varying the ANY of the following;
1) time from last pin to blood draw
2) the pin to pin interval (like once a week or twice a week)
3) the number of injections prior to bloods being drawn
4) the use of some ancillaries HCG in particular and even AIs or SERMS in select cases

To that end the most reliable and reproducible data is derived from TRT patients who have; reached STEADY STATE levels, pinning T-c (or T-e), ONCE WEEKLY, for roughly
4-6 WEEKS, and whose blood is drawn at PEAK CONCENTRATIONS, between
28-36 hours AFTER the last injection.

Following this outline provides the most reliable dose/response curve and coincides with a TT level of bt 8 to 12 times the last pinned dose.

For example if you pin 800mg, following this outline, the TT level should approximate 8000ng/dl,
(+ or - 2K)

To that end its very important for mates to understand since most UGLs are fully aware such estimates are relatively easy to accomplish on behalf of their customers, TT is much less likely to be "under dosed", by larger volume UGL and is not necessarily reflective of their overall product quality, IME.

I understand and agree with what you're saying. There are always going to be variables. The biggest being that we are two different individuals. That being said, we tried to eliminate as many variables as possible when we did this. Bloods drawn around 6 week mark, approximately 36-40 hours after pinning. We used the same ancillaries, ai only, with the same protocol. And the gear was purchased and received at the same time, so as close as one can get to using the same product with a ugl. Only thing we could have done more similar is pin from the same vials and that wasn't an option for obvious reasons. Besides being two different individuals, and different dosing protocol for the testosterone, everything was as close to similar as two average adult men could expect. Of course this is just our experience that I chose to post on the internet. It's up to the reader to take it and interpret and decide if it is at all useful to them, and it very well may not be.

 

[Dr JIM]

There are always going to be variables. The biggest being that we are two different individuals. .

Actually I'm not sure you do understand what I'm referring to, bc the "everyone is different" excuse is THE REASON research of this nature is conducted.

More specifically TRT studies had to be conducted to determine what TT dose was necessary and/or required to achieve the desired outcome, a restoration of physiologic TT levels, while minimizing the adverse effects of such therapy.

Thus to reach this objective the researchers HAD TO consider "all those variables that may effect the results of the population under study. The latter also required the use of CONTROLS to ensure such variances were either markedly minimized, readily identified with respect to causation or otherwise RIGHTFULLY attributed to the that variable under study, in this case the TESTOSTERONE DOSE.

Oh and I should also mentionon may also obtain a NADIR TT level as an estimate. In this case the blood is drawn immediately prior to the next WEEKLY pinning. The results will approximate 5X the amount injected.

I mean think about it, at what TT dose/level should the "everyone is different" explaination be legitimately identified as a bogus excuse for the sale of UNDER-DOSED gear by UGLs?

The data is already been collated mate.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Regardless of the results you're trying to compare apples to oranges by varying the ANY of the following;
1) time from last pin to blood draw
2) the pin to pin interval (like once a week or twice a week)
3) the number of injections prior to bloods being drawn
4) the use of some ancillaries HCG in particular and even AIs or SERMS in select cases

To that end the most reliable and reproducible data is derived from TRT patients who have; reached STEADY STATE levels, pinning T-c (or T-e), ONCE WEEKLY, for roughly
4-6 WEEKS, and whose blood is drawn at PEAK CONCENTRATIONS, between
28-36 hours AFTER the last injection.

Following this outline provides the most reliable dose/response curve and coincides with a TT level of bt 8 to 12 times the last pinned dose.

For example if you pin 800mg, following this outline, the TT level should approximate 8000ng/dl,
(+ or - 2K)

To that end its very important for mates to understand since most UGLs are fully aware such estimates are relatively easy to accomplish on behalf of their customers, TT is much less likely to be "under dosed", by larger volume UGL and is not necessarily reflective of their overall product quality, IME.

Here you again playing scientist.

And where exactly do you get this fuckery from.