Test E & Glucose Levels

New-Jedi

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Ok, I've had some blood work done through my latest cycle, I'm on week 9 of test e 500mg a week cycle. I'm also do Stane at 1ml twice a week. But I just started that, I had been doing .5 twice a week, and only to try to control bloating. I was turning pretty red.

However, this week I had a low glucose blood lab result. I then realized they've been everywhere the last year, but all on high range. Needless to say, my doctor wants to do follow up.

So I need to understand how this cycle is impacting my glucose levels, if at all.

Here are my results since July 2015, and some from 2006. I started my cycle in Early August. So the July on are what concerns me.

Do any of you believe the test e and glucose results are related.

I hadn't eaten for like 4 hours before I took the last glucose test, I had a busy morning.

But normally I eat about an hour or two before the test. None of these came while fasting.


Gluc

50 (Low)
  • Pending until Oct 02, 2015, 06:36 a.m. CDT
    Date: Sep 30, 2015 04:22 p.m. CDT

    FASTING 70-100mg/dL RANDOM 70-149mg/dL Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) (Prediabetes) 100-125 mg/dL

  • 75 (Normal)
    Date: Sep 02, 2015 04:20 p.m. CDT
    FASTING 70-100mg/dL RANDOM 70-149mg/dL Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) (Prediabetes) 100-125 mg/dL

  • 90 (Normal)
    Date: Aug 05, 2015 03:37 p.m. CDT
    FASTING 70-100mg/dL RANDOM 70-149mg/dL Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) (Prediabetes) 100-125 mg/dL

  • 106 (High)
    Date: Jul 15, 2015 10:38 a.m. CDT


  • 113 mg/dL(Normal)
    Date: Jul 08, 2015 04:00 p.m. CDT
    Reference Range:
    70 mg/dL - 149 mg/dL


  • 93 (Normal)
    Date: Dec 29, 2006 03:10 a.m. CST


  • 96 (Normal)
    Date: Dec 26, 2006 07:40 p.m. CST


  • 109 (High)
    Date: Jan 17, 2005 04:28 a.m. CST

  • 114 (High)
    Date: Jan 16, 2005 07:47 p.m. CST

    FASTING 70-100mg/dL RANDOM 70-149mg/dL Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) (Prediabetes) 100-125 mg/dL
 
It has been shown that taking supplemental testosterone can lead to hypoglycemia because of increased rate of muscle glycogen synthesis. More glucose is taken out of the bloodstream to make glycogen. That is why a higher calorie diet, higher protein intake because of increased muscle protein synthesis and higher carbs because of glycogen production and higher energy demands, is recommended, even in a medical setting.
 
It has been shown that taking supplemental testosterone can lead to hypoglycemia because of increased rate of muscle glycogen synthesis. More glucose is taken out of the bloodstream to make glycogen. That is why a higher calorie diet, higher protein intake because of increased muscle protein synthesis and higher carbs because of glycogen production and higher energy demands, is recommended, even in a medical setting.

Thank you. I've been having issues with feeling dizzy, headache, and low energy. These don't last long, and go away shortly after drinking O.J.

I'm eating a lot, so much that I'm gaining some fat, while putting on decent muscle.

But it's all pretty healight stuff, until I introduced the O.J.. I eat shredded wheat for breakfast. And every other meal is brown rice, broccoli, carrots, black beans, chicken, and low fat cheese. It's not inventive, but makes eating healthy real easy to do.

I have a few weeks of this cycle left. Hopefully my blood sugar will soon stabilize.
 
Yeah you will constantly deal with drops in blood sugar while on cycle. Best to keep a high complex carb diet on cycle as the insulin spikes of simple carbs plus the effect of steroids on glucose can be rough.
 
Yeah you will constantly deal with drops in blood sugar while on cycle. Best to keep a high complex carb diet on cycle as the insulin spikes of simple carbs plus the effect of steroids on glucose can be rough.

Insulin spikes are easily managed with simple carbs. Just throw in some protein, fats or fiber and the glycemic load of the meal drops regardless of the glycemic index of the carb source itself.
 
Yeah Doc. Agreed. Just seemed like complex carb was an easy way to accomplish that. Lol. One of my weird questions... Would you say taking simpler carbs with whey protein would have the same glycemic load lowering effect as with say taking them with meat or other protein source similar?
 
[QUOTE="RaveHead, post: 1421557, member: 74768"

]It has been shown that taking supplemental testosterone can lead to hypoglycemia because of increased rate of muscle glycogen synthesis. More glucose is taken out of the bloodstream to make glycogen. .[/QUOTE]

"It has been shown", BY WHOM? Utter nonsense!

The formation of glycogen is under the influence of INSULIN and occurs when BS levels are high and energy demands are LOW.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with serum testosterone levels.

More importantly the diagnosis of HYPOGLYCEMIA must be avoided unless the patient has symptoms that are consistent with insulin excess, the latter being the underlying etiology in almost all cases of legitimate hypoglycemia! (And I am only aware of two mechanisms by which this may occur; an insulinoma or the administration of diabetic drugs to non-diabetic patients)

Why are you checking your BS on a periodic basis?

I ask bc repeat testing to determine if someone is "hypoglycemic" based only on prior "low glucose levels" is usually reserved for patients with emotional issues in search of an organic diagnosis.

My suggestion, cease the BS testing immediately.
 
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I can tell you from personal experience when I run dbol my fasting glucose numbers are greatly reduced. On a thirty day average on dbol my fasting number 80 when off it goes back up to 110
 
Ok Dr. Jim. Here is where "anecdotal" reports are useful. We know that hypogonadism leads to insulin resistance (also per my endocrinologist). Supplementing with Test improves insulin sensitivity. So there is a correlation between the two hormones. When there is too little Test insulin doesn't function properly. Stands to reason that if there is too much Test insulin's functioning is also affected. Herein my anecdotal two cents. When i jack up my test dosage i notice huge fluctuations in blood sugar (weakness, dizziness, sweating). These symptoms are indeed and solely alleviated by the ingestion of carbs, usually fast digesting. Tell me this not valid science. Thanks for your input. I always appreciate it when you grace my threads. :)
 
I can tell you from personal experience when I run dbol my fasting glucose numbers are greatly reduced. On a thirty day average on dbol my fasting number 80 when off it goes back up to 110

A BS of 80mg/dl is in no way considered hypoglycemia.

Well of course BS falls during exercise or when fasting but that's a NORMAL physiological process which is to be expected.

And the body naturally responds by diminishing the secretion of insulin and by releasing those hormones which increae glucose levels such as glucagon, c-steroids, epi and even GH.

The point is like the diagnosis of "low T" there is much more to the diagnosis of "hypoglycemia" than some random numerical BS of less than 40-50 mg/dl.
 
Ok Dr. Jim. Here is where "anecdotal" reports are useful. We know that hypogonadism leads to insulin resistance (also per my endocrinologist). Supplementing with Test improves insulin sensitivity. So there is a correlation between the two hormones. When there is too little Test insulin doesn't function properly. Stands to reason that if there is too much Test insulin's functioning is also affected. Herein my anecdotal two cents. When i jack up my test dosage i notice huge fluctuations in blood sugar (weakness, dizziness, sweating). These symptoms are indeed and solely alleviated by the ingestion of carbs, usually fast digesting. Tell me this not valid science. Thanks for your input. I always appreciate it when you grace my threads. :)

Whether or not hypogonadism leads to insulin resistance is NOT KNOWN, in fact it sounds like some concocted conclusion extrapolating data from patients with either diabetes or metabolic syndrome.

The net effect being the reason such patients may develop symptomatic hypoglycemia is the deranged glucose metabolism rather than low of high T.

If you have ANY evidence to the contrary I'd love to review it. That includes your endo!
 
Ok, I've had some blood work done through my latest cycle, I'm on week 9 of test e 500mg a week cycle. I'm also do Stane at 1ml twice a week. But I just started that, I had been doing .5 twice a week, and only to try to control bloating. I was turning pretty red.

However, this week I had a low glucose blood lab result. I then realized they've been everywhere the last year, but all on high range. Needless to say, my doctor wants to do follow up.

So I need to understand how this cycle is impacting my glucose levels, if at all.

Here are my results since July 2015, and some from 2006. I started my cycle in Early August. So the July on are what concerns me.

Do any of you believe the test e and glucose results are related.

I hadn't eaten for like 4 hours before I took the last glucose test, I had a busy morning.

But normally I eat about an hour or two before the test. None of these came while fasting.


Gluc

50 (Low)
  • Pending until Oct 02, 2015, 06:36 a.m. CDT
    Date: Sep 30, 2015 04:22 p.m. CDT

    FASTING 70-100mg/dL RANDOM 70-149mg/dL Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) (Prediabetes) 100-125 mg/dL

  • 75 (Normal)
    Date: Sep 02, 2015 04:20 p.m. CDT
    FASTING 70-100mg/dL RANDOM 70-149mg/dL Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) (Prediabetes) 100-125 mg/dL

  • 90 (Normal)
    Date: Aug 05, 2015 03:37 p.m. CDT
    FASTING 70-100mg/dL RANDOM 70-149mg/dL Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) (Prediabetes) 100-125 mg/dL

  • 106 (High)
    Date: Jul 15, 2015 10:38 a.m. CDT


  • 113 mg/dL(Normal)
    Date: Jul 08, 2015 04:00 p.m. CDT
    Reference Range:
    70 mg/dL - 149 mg/dL


  • 93 (Normal)
    Date: Dec 29, 2006 03:10 a.m. CST


  • 96 (Normal)
    Date: Dec 26, 2006 07:40 p.m. CST


  • 109 (High)
    Date: Jan 17, 2005 04:28 a.m. CST

  • 114 (High)
    Date: Jan 16, 2005 07:47 p.m. CST

    FASTING 70-100mg/dL RANDOM 70-149mg/dL Impaired Fasting Glucose (IFG) (Prediabetes) 100-125 mg/dL
normal is 120 I take care of diabetic mom.
89 is ok but below 60 is getting gooffy at 40 50 you would be feeling drunk acting rude.are you a diabetic.
but the answer is yes kinda I notice on a.a.s.if I don't eat every 3-4 hours I will get shakes like I'm out of sugar. I believe our body is working faster than normal its already in high o
protein synthesis I'm sure its working carbs similar. I know I'm on npp. I know nandrolone does this for sure I felt same way on prohormones as well. 7 ment. and trenavar
 
Dr. Jim, sir. Man is by nature a scientific creature, created in the image of God. If I say I can place my hand in 100degree water and not get burned, then it is so. If I say I cannot place it into 200degree water and not get burned, then it is so. And similar experiences are similar for countless others. If 100 people say boiling water burns always, believe it. Stop thinking so deeply and accept what is. The exact mechanism androgens have affecting glucose metabolism may never be known, but those whose levels drop suddenly can tell you identify your mechanism, accept what is, or just shut the hell up. I don't know what your credentials are or what your area of concentration is, then you never did offer up that information when asked a while back. Are you a bitter retired MD who wishes he'd pursued bodybuilding in his youth? Like I said, I admire your contributions to the board but not necessarily your antagonistic attitudes.
 
An alternative explanation would be the role of estrogen/progesterone, other steroid hormones, on glucose levels which are known to rollercoaster in women
 
Man is by nature a scientific creature, created in the image of God.

An oxymoron!

If I say I can place my hand in 100degree water and not get burned, then it is so. If I say I cannot place it into 200degree water and not get burned, then it is so.

If you say you're a millionaire, does it make that so too?

If 100 people say boiling water burns always, believe it.

If 100 people - or even 1,000,000 people - say the earth is flat, would you believe that?

Stop thinking so deeply and accept what is.

What you're saying is stop thinking altogether. You're not following science, you're practicing religion. If you're interested in finding the truth, faith won't help you. You need to start thinking critically.
 
CBS.

I didn't suggest we stop thinking critically. I said "identify your mechanism." Dr Jim was adamant about showing evidence. With many clinically used drugs the exact mechanism of action is unknown, yet we still use them for therapeutic value. We can't always explain why something works, but we know from many experiences that it does. For thousands of years people used coca leaves, opium, alcohol for their therapeutic value without understanding the why/how. The goal is to minimize the negative side effects.

I swear you and Dr J are like Bonnie and Clyde here. Lol. Good conversation though.
 
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