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Wife really wants to try something (AS) this time. Without going into her life of training and diet - just wondering if what one would recommmend for a woman:
Test or test and deca??? We were thinking like 50-100 mg test (or deca) a week. Thought a shot every 3 days though (like 25 mg to 50 mg)
She was orignally thinking about 2IU of GH for 5-6 months but we talked to a few places in Florida (Theraphy places) and they were recommending test for her as well. A few searches found that a little test can help a woman as much as a man. I dont go to gym any more but a few gals there were using test (even fina) and looked pretty good (even feminine), which suprised me!!!
I never thought about test for here until lately.
I did see woman produce 1/7 the testosterone that men make on one site, some also say 1/10.
BTW Shes done having kids. She is very active.
She LIfts ED faithfully, cardio ED. NEver took AS before. Trained all her life. Personal trainer in her 20's at her gym....just looking for a little help in her late 30's. She is not looking to gain any mass, just to help her out and give her more energy. Test and deca I have so it is easy to give her.
Below is some info I cut and pasted: I am sure the companies responsible dont care about pasting this. As I have talked to them about her.
The first myth is the notion of the exclusivity of "male" and "female" sex hormones. While it is true that men have higher concentrations of testosterone and lower concentrations of estrogen and progesterone than women, all of these sex hormones play vital roles in both sexes. The second myth I will dispense with is the notion of "good" and "bad" hormones. Some hormones such as DHT and testosterone have been demonized and blamed for all sorts of health problems, but the fact is that every hormone plays a vital balancing role in the body. Rather than be labeled as "good" or "bad", each hormone has an optimal equilibrium level in the body with respect to the other sex hormones. It is when your sex hormones are out of balance-out of their proper ratios then you may manifest health problem, not just because of any one solitary "villain" hormone.
Testosterone is widely known as being the male hormone, yet it has been so villainized by society that even its medical use in men has been made into a social taboo for many years. However, now not only has testosterone replacement therapy became more accepted for use in men, more and more doctors are now also prescribing testosterone for women.
About Testosterone Therapy for Women
Testosterone: The Anti-Aging, Muscle Building, Sex Drive and Mental Sharpness Hormone!
Although women authors including Gail Sheehy and Susan Rako, M.D. have described this deficient testosterone state in women, almost no one talks about it and almost no one does anything about it. When women are placed on hormonal therapy, whether birth control of estrogen replacement, their testosterone levels drop dramatically.
Background Information
Testosterone is recognized as the hormone of desire: it makes muscles for boys and turns them into sexually functional men. But testosterone is very important to a woman, too. She produces increased amounts of this hormone in her puberty, because testosterone is the precursor to estrogen. Without testosterone, there would be no "woman."
A woman's testosterone levels are highest in the early twenties. The decrease in sex drive we see thereafter is often due to oral contraceptives which suppress all sex hormone production (testosterone, estrogens and progesterone). The treatment is relatively simple: add back some testosterone.
However, physicians see more effects from testosterone deficiency as a woman approaches and enters menopause. The ovaries produce the majority of testosterone and estrogens. With the cessation of 80% of hormonal production, a peri- menopausal woman suffers from estrogen, progesterone and testosterone deficiency. The replacement of estrogen alone does not correct an absent sex drive, loss of muscle tone and general lack of mental get-up-and-go.
Detecting Insufficient Testosterone Levels:
The laboratory tests for testosterone are not helpful. Some women with very low levels do not have symptoms, while others do. The laboratory tests measuring total and free testosterone are rarely of assistance.
Testosterone Produces Lean Muscle
With the social stigma against testosterone and anabolic steroids in general, it is difficult enough to get a study approved on testosterone in men. Imagine how difficult it is to get a human use committee to approve a study on testosterone in women!
However, there is one study that helped to illuminate the potential for androgens to help women lose fat. Lovejoy et al, in 1996 compared the effects of nandrolone decanoate and the anti-androgen drug spironolactone on body composition in obese, postmenopausal women.
The dose given the nandrolone group was low - 30 mg every other week. All women in the study were put on a calorie restricted diet (500 calories below lean mass maintenance), and were told not to change their exercise habits.
After nine months, the women receiving nandrolone lost an average of 3.6 percent of their bodyfat while the placebo group lost only 1.8 percent and the spirolactone (an anti-androgen) only .5 percent. Nandrolone doubled the rate of fat loss over the placebo and the anti-androgen group barely lost any fat at all - the role of androgens in fat loss is clearly demonstrated. Even more impressive, the nandrolone group actually gained an average of roughly four pounds of lean mass in spite of the calorie restriction while the placebo and anti-androgen groups lost over two pounds of lean mass.
Answers to Common Questions (FAQ)
Q. I'm a woman. Why should I consider testosterone replacement therapy?
A. Though testosterone is the primary male hormone, it is not unique to males. Testosterone is produced in the testes of males and the ovaries and adrenals of females. In women prior to menopause, the ovaries produce approximately one-tenth the amount of testosterone produced by males of a similar age. Testosterone plays a very important role in maintaining and synthesizing muscle tissue and in losing body fat. The often considerable difference in male and female testosterone levels is the primary reason males and females typically lose weight at different rates, even when on the same weight loss regimen. Females are typically given only estrogens and progestins as hormone replacement therapy. However, administering estrogen and progesterone to a woman without addressing diminished testosterone levels makes it extremely difficult, and at times impossible, for her to lose weight.
Q. Who should partake of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)?
A. As its name implies, Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is to replace deficient levels of hormones within our bodies. Most hormones, such as rHGH (Human Growth Hormone), Testosterone and Estrogen, can only be prescribed by a physician. Therefore, HRT should only be undertaken under the supervision and guidance of a physician. Since we lose our abilities to produce various hormones from about the age of 25 and upward, many adults would qualify as hormone deficient when tested for levels of hormones within their bodies.
Q. What are some of the signs of hormone deficiency?
A. Among the various signs of hormone deficiency that have been noted by researchers in the field are a loss of reduced lean body mass (muscle), an increase in body fat, decreased bone density, a lowered metabolic rate, an increase in LDL (bad) cholesterol and a decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol, plus decreased strength and exercise performance.
Q. What are some of the symptoms of hormone deficiency?
A. Hormone deficiency symptoms include a reduced vitality and sex drive, poor general health, memory loss, impaired psychological well-being (anxiety and depression), graying and brittle hair and a loss of skin thickness and tone.
Thoughts ??????????
Test or test and deca??? We were thinking like 50-100 mg test (or deca) a week. Thought a shot every 3 days though (like 25 mg to 50 mg)
She was orignally thinking about 2IU of GH for 5-6 months but we talked to a few places in Florida (Theraphy places) and they were recommending test for her as well. A few searches found that a little test can help a woman as much as a man. I dont go to gym any more but a few gals there were using test (even fina) and looked pretty good (even feminine), which suprised me!!!
I never thought about test for here until lately.
I did see woman produce 1/7 the testosterone that men make on one site, some also say 1/10.
BTW Shes done having kids. She is very active.
She LIfts ED faithfully, cardio ED. NEver took AS before. Trained all her life. Personal trainer in her 20's at her gym....just looking for a little help in her late 30's. She is not looking to gain any mass, just to help her out and give her more energy. Test and deca I have so it is easy to give her.
Below is some info I cut and pasted: I am sure the companies responsible dont care about pasting this. As I have talked to them about her.
The first myth is the notion of the exclusivity of "male" and "female" sex hormones. While it is true that men have higher concentrations of testosterone and lower concentrations of estrogen and progesterone than women, all of these sex hormones play vital roles in both sexes. The second myth I will dispense with is the notion of "good" and "bad" hormones. Some hormones such as DHT and testosterone have been demonized and blamed for all sorts of health problems, but the fact is that every hormone plays a vital balancing role in the body. Rather than be labeled as "good" or "bad", each hormone has an optimal equilibrium level in the body with respect to the other sex hormones. It is when your sex hormones are out of balance-out of their proper ratios then you may manifest health problem, not just because of any one solitary "villain" hormone.
Testosterone is widely known as being the male hormone, yet it has been so villainized by society that even its medical use in men has been made into a social taboo for many years. However, now not only has testosterone replacement therapy became more accepted for use in men, more and more doctors are now also prescribing testosterone for women.
About Testosterone Therapy for Women
Testosterone: The Anti-Aging, Muscle Building, Sex Drive and Mental Sharpness Hormone!
Although women authors including Gail Sheehy and Susan Rako, M.D. have described this deficient testosterone state in women, almost no one talks about it and almost no one does anything about it. When women are placed on hormonal therapy, whether birth control of estrogen replacement, their testosterone levels drop dramatically.
Background Information
Testosterone is recognized as the hormone of desire: it makes muscles for boys and turns them into sexually functional men. But testosterone is very important to a woman, too. She produces increased amounts of this hormone in her puberty, because testosterone is the precursor to estrogen. Without testosterone, there would be no "woman."
A woman's testosterone levels are highest in the early twenties. The decrease in sex drive we see thereafter is often due to oral contraceptives which suppress all sex hormone production (testosterone, estrogens and progesterone). The treatment is relatively simple: add back some testosterone.
However, physicians see more effects from testosterone deficiency as a woman approaches and enters menopause. The ovaries produce the majority of testosterone and estrogens. With the cessation of 80% of hormonal production, a peri- menopausal woman suffers from estrogen, progesterone and testosterone deficiency. The replacement of estrogen alone does not correct an absent sex drive, loss of muscle tone and general lack of mental get-up-and-go.
Detecting Insufficient Testosterone Levels:
The laboratory tests for testosterone are not helpful. Some women with very low levels do not have symptoms, while others do. The laboratory tests measuring total and free testosterone are rarely of assistance.
Testosterone Produces Lean Muscle
With the social stigma against testosterone and anabolic steroids in general, it is difficult enough to get a study approved on testosterone in men. Imagine how difficult it is to get a human use committee to approve a study on testosterone in women!
However, there is one study that helped to illuminate the potential for androgens to help women lose fat. Lovejoy et al, in 1996 compared the effects of nandrolone decanoate and the anti-androgen drug spironolactone on body composition in obese, postmenopausal women.
The dose given the nandrolone group was low - 30 mg every other week. All women in the study were put on a calorie restricted diet (500 calories below lean mass maintenance), and were told not to change their exercise habits.
After nine months, the women receiving nandrolone lost an average of 3.6 percent of their bodyfat while the placebo group lost only 1.8 percent and the spirolactone (an anti-androgen) only .5 percent. Nandrolone doubled the rate of fat loss over the placebo and the anti-androgen group barely lost any fat at all - the role of androgens in fat loss is clearly demonstrated. Even more impressive, the nandrolone group actually gained an average of roughly four pounds of lean mass in spite of the calorie restriction while the placebo and anti-androgen groups lost over two pounds of lean mass.
Answers to Common Questions (FAQ)
Q. I'm a woman. Why should I consider testosterone replacement therapy?
A. Though testosterone is the primary male hormone, it is not unique to males. Testosterone is produced in the testes of males and the ovaries and adrenals of females. In women prior to menopause, the ovaries produce approximately one-tenth the amount of testosterone produced by males of a similar age. Testosterone plays a very important role in maintaining and synthesizing muscle tissue and in losing body fat. The often considerable difference in male and female testosterone levels is the primary reason males and females typically lose weight at different rates, even when on the same weight loss regimen. Females are typically given only estrogens and progestins as hormone replacement therapy. However, administering estrogen and progesterone to a woman without addressing diminished testosterone levels makes it extremely difficult, and at times impossible, for her to lose weight.
Q. Who should partake of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)?
A. As its name implies, Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is to replace deficient levels of hormones within our bodies. Most hormones, such as rHGH (Human Growth Hormone), Testosterone and Estrogen, can only be prescribed by a physician. Therefore, HRT should only be undertaken under the supervision and guidance of a physician. Since we lose our abilities to produce various hormones from about the age of 25 and upward, many adults would qualify as hormone deficient when tested for levels of hormones within their bodies.
Q. What are some of the signs of hormone deficiency?
A. Among the various signs of hormone deficiency that have been noted by researchers in the field are a loss of reduced lean body mass (muscle), an increase in body fat, decreased bone density, a lowered metabolic rate, an increase in LDL (bad) cholesterol and a decrease in HDL (good) cholesterol, plus decreased strength and exercise performance.
Q. What are some of the symptoms of hormone deficiency?
A. Hormone deficiency symptoms include a reduced vitality and sex drive, poor general health, memory loss, impaired psychological well-being (anxiety and depression), graying and brittle hair and a loss of skin thickness and tone.
Thoughts ??????????
