Is there any more info on this. Regarding the extra carbon atom. The more I think about it the more I circle back to this. When I look at the two structures there is def an extra "carbon atom" when it comes to test cyp. I think it's called a carbon atom lmao. Hopefully i don't get butchered for getting that wrong. Def alot of really smart ppl on this forum. I'm def average on iq scale lmao.
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Laxman3221
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I switched to prop EOD and felt Mitch better than when on cyp. Sex got better too.
How much eod? 100 eod did me really well at one point too. But my ocd gets the better of me and I feel like I have to use prop Ed lmao. Plus 100 is eod is a cycle so of course I felt good lol
Laxman3221
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50 EOD
sinistral
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I don't know much other than there's a difference. I saw a few months back that Kurt Havens is going to do a study on different esters but I think it was more geared toward efficacy.
sinistral
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Can you elaborate more on your experiences/difficulties with Cyp?
Sure. So to start i never used cyp. Always Test e. That was the only ester I could get almost 14 years ago. So I have been using shit forever. Blast and cruise. Maybe two or three periods completely off. Each lasting 6 months. About 7 or 8 years ago I went to a dr for trt. This is my intro to cyp. At first I felt great. Started at 1cc a week. Without his consent I slowly started blasting it all the way up to 700 mg per week. .5cc a day. Then out of nowhere I started like not being able to regulate myself. Moods, temperature, depression rolled in. Bad dreams, night sweets, skin issues, So I just quit it all. After another about 6 month period of time I went back on ugl shit. Test e and primo e, gh in there, npp, all kinds of shit with no real issues. I would add the cyp back in as a base sometimes, because i had pharm stashed. Everytime I would add it back in everything would go to hell. But I always blamed it on another compound. Or estro being to high or to low. Until finally I went back down to trt again and started using prop. Then I switched it milligram for milligram for cyp and it happened again. I thought it was the ugl again. So I switched to pharm and same thing. Back to prop and feeling normal now again. The feeling is like severe anxiety of everything. Lack of decision making. No sex drive. Everything overwhelms me. Can't manage stress. Feel burnt out. Wake up nervous. I lose weight and muscle. Almost like my body doesn't even use the test. Feels like what I would imagine ptsd to feel like. I want to quit work. I have a similar problem with orals. Like I can't take anavar or d bol without extreme looming death/anxiety. When on prop or test e I feel way better. My body pumps back up, I look better. Feel better. Almost like superman. Same mg. I dose the same. ED. And I go by mg with slin pin regardless of compound. I don't use AIs, I have in past for a certain number, or test to estro ratio. After writing about all this on the forum and thinking. I always have felt better on prop, or test e. It is plain as day to me now, I can take the test prop high as well. Like up to 700 with no real issues. The whole thing makes no real sense to me lol. I used to be able to take a gram of tren and just get night sweats and jacked lmao. Now I think about tren and get sides lmao. I know some of it is me aging for sure. And my natural anxiety. Nothing worse then when things go bad on a long ester and you are stuck until it gets out of your system lol.
sinistral
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Damn bro that sounds horrible. Almost sounds like your test was in the tank. Ever get bloods drawn while in that condition?
I did not. I like literally am just coming to this conclusion now. I haven't had bloods done in about 2 years as far as hormones. I had general health ones done recently. Once I get evened out again. I'm going to do bloods.
Alistair7
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Best TRT protocol I have ever used was 50mg a day test prop / test acetate 50/50 mix. I feel decent on cypionate but short esters are way better for mood, energy and sex drive.
I agree on the mood. Been on prop for a while. Def better for the mood. Idk why though?
Prolly due to quick esters hitting that dopamine and and all that jazz… some do well on short esters whilst other love the long esters… some say ace is the tits and prop along with phenyl prop… test u and test d are used a lot more now too due to how well they keep u stable… but that wuick hit of a short esters is usually what excites the neurons better for some whilst some get super anxiety from the wuickness rhe shorties hit…
How was it over all mood wise did u feel spiked up… like some equate it to the white bunnies ride… endorphins runin and just overall whewww ric flair type shitzzz
Like i deal with anxiety daily… and cant take caffeine or any kinda upper type stuff so i wonder how those shorties would make me feel… cns may get bumped and cause some issues… i use to live on cyp… and the hcg was for the great moods… wonder if prop and are ace with hcg would put me over the edge… ima try em out
There’s no law regarding esters and their usage
Please always take in account our body doesn’t produce naturally those esters when we create testosterone in the balls..
Naturally my test levels were at 44nnmol via blood work in the morning following that day towards the evening did another test and it was 21nnmol .. next day in the morning 31nmol evening 19 etc.. natural t production goes up and down just like glucose level during the day
Prop is king but painful and can limit .. Pharma grade prop that is 50mg per 1 ml is better but that’s too much oil either way ..
I recommend to mix test e with p for exp
Daily test p injection x mg
Twice a week test e x mg
This way if for any reason you would decide to com off prop you’ll have enanthate saturated enough to continue with it.. other than that for some reason prop converts to dht more than to e2 and I always thought because of the peaks and drops it would be the other way therefore conclusion always do what’s best for you Simple’s as that! (Trial and error)
Please always take in account our body doesn’t produce naturally those esters when we create testosterone in the balls..
Naturally my test levels were at 44nnmol via blood work in the morning following that day towards the evening did another test and it was 21nnmol .. next day in the morning 31nmol evening 19 etc.. natural t production goes up and down just like glucose level during the day
Prop is king but painful and can limit .. Pharma grade prop that is 50mg per 1 ml is better but that’s too much oil either way ..
I recommend to mix test e with p for exp
Daily test p injection x mg
Twice a week test e x mg
This way if for any reason you would decide to com off prop you’ll have enanthate saturated enough to continue with it.. other than that for some reason prop converts to dht more than to e2 and I always thought because of the peaks and drops it would be the other way therefore conclusion always do what’s best for you Simple’s as that! (Trial and error)
Alistair7
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Test ace hits me as hard as test with no ester. Someone with anxiety would probably be better sticking with prop. Mixing test ace with my prop also reduces the PIP a little.
Right now I’m having to take way too much allergy medication to be in a great mood but the short esters help with the fatigue.
Damn ace is like that? I got a mix with ace in it and was gunna hit it this weekend… i guess ill see how it goes… prop maybe better for me, always used cyp
Wow thats crazy about the dht… ima hit iso with ace and phenyl prop mix and see how it goes…
Did you brew that or is that a mix from a source here?
I've been curious to try acetate from time to time but it's not too common and I know I'd get sick of everyday pinning.If I could get away with EOD or 3x/week with a short ester I'd definitely try that for a long term experiment.
LGOP528
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I put more size on with a long ester mixed with test P also. I do both daily though. Good mood during the day and better sleep at night compared to just a high dose of long ester. Luckily I don’t get pip so I can run just test p if I need to let my system recover. Along time ago I was actually naturally producing FSH while just on test p.
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