Test results in, need some feedback

[Makloda]

Hey everyone...

Sorry to bother you but I just had my blood tested after a decade long search and I would very much apreciate some feedback.

Thanks a million in advance.

Im male 28 and suffer from a wide range of issues such as cronic fatigue, impotence, penile shrinkage, high sensitivity in emotions, depression, ...

Here are my results


Free t4 0,77 range: 0,79 - 2,35
TSH 0,67 range 0,46 - 4,68

Test: 309 range 132 - 813
Free test 8 range 7,5 - 55


It all seems pretty low no? The range for testosterone is 132 but I read everywhere on the internet it's 300? Or is that a european/ American thing? I'm european btw.

Specialist said I'm fine, no worries.

I wanted to do more so my doctor gave me some proviron but I don't know if it's the right thing to take?


Someone on another board suggested hCG and some clomid (clomiphene citrate) as well as some atomic iodine for my thyroid.

Does that sounds like good advice?


Anyway, I would very much apreciate your comments as I am pretty much in the dark here and official chanels offer little help.

Cheers.

 

[Tyler81]

It's fine man.

Don't d**k around with TRT until you need it. Take it from me. It can cause more harm than good.

No idea why he gave you priviron? Isn't that a steriod?

 

[Makloda]

It's fine man.

Don't d**k around with TRT until you need it. Take it from me. It can cause more harm than good.

No idea why he gave you priviron? Isn't that a steriod?

I've pleaded for some kind of testosteron aplication very strongly myself because my life quality has degenerated so badly over time I am kind of running out of options or so it seems.

Still molding in whether to take it or not but thank you for your reply it will be taken into considiration with other advice i am accumulating.

Cheers.

 

[Tyler81]

I've pleaded for some kind of testosteron aplication very strongly myself because my life quality has degenerated so badly over time I am kind of running out of options or so it seems.

Still molding in whether to take it or not but thank you for your reply it will be taken into considiration with other advice i am accumulating.

Cheers.

I'm 28 years old too. I know what you mean. I went onto TRT earlier this year. And if my quality of life was OK before, it's gone to sh*t this year after TRT. I thought TRT would make my life a lot better, but it didn't.

I think TRT is great for some guys, but for me, it was a nightmare. My T levels are lower than yours, but I am off TRT now, and don't want to touch it again for a long time. Hopefully in 5 years there will be better variations of testosterone treatment. Who knows, maybe they will have better treatment options.

If you do decide to go onto TRT, i would recommend the gel. It might seem cumbersome but it will give you a great libido, and if you want to switch to shots you can. Its much harder to switch from shots to the gel. I personally think the gel is the best.

 

[Martin777]

Hey everyone...

Sorry to bother you but I just had my blood tested after a decade long search and I would very much apreciate some feedback.

Thanks a million in advance.

Im male 28 and suffer from a wide range of issues such as cronic fatigue, impotence, penile shrinkage, high sensitivity in emotions, depression, ...

Here are my results


Free t4 0,77 range: 0,79 - 2,35
TSH 0,67 range 0,46 - 4,68

Test: 309 range 132 - 813
Free test 8 range 7,5 - 55


It all seems pretty low no? The range for testosterone is 132 but I read everywhere on the internet it's 300? Or is that a european/ American thing? I'm european btw.

Specialist said I'm fine, no worries.

I wanted to do more so my doctor gave me some proviron but I don't know if it's the right thing to take?


Someone on another board suggested hCG and some clomid (clomiphene citrate) as well as some atomic iodine for my thyroid.

Does that sounds like good advice?


Anyway, I would very much apreciate your comments as I am pretty much in the dark here and official chanels offer little help.

Cheers.

well, impotence is related to depression and mood changes and senstivity, emotions are easy to understand

yes, fatigue is related to low testosterone, yuor scale is universal, its in ng/dl (the other one is in nmol), yours is just fucked up because it says the low value is 132, which is BS in simple terms

you can read in all clinical studies etc that hypogonadism is referred mostly when T is below 300 ng/dl (and symptoms are co-existent)

my T is also around 300, ( last reading in July) one could say i am or i've been in same boat like you, although depression IMO also depends in a huge way on your social life, your friends, fmaily, if you have people around you that care about you and also some good friends , i've been unemployed and with poor social life, add to that overweight and impotence and there's no way not to be depressed and then you are not even sure what's the original, biggest problem

anyway im hesistant to go on TRT, havent been to a doctor, tried supplementing zinc and vit D3, these things didnt really help me i guess, but i'm overweight, but not THAT much, around 55 lbs or 25 kg... ive been telling myself i need to lose weight first to see if that alone will help me to get T levels up and cure the erectile symptoms, however, since over a year i cant make any progress in the weight loss department which is totally frustrating me !

now im putting my hopes on pycnogenol and l-arginine, i gonna order Prelox (it consists of these two and is allegeadly clinically proven to work) and when it comes to the sexual department i hope for some slow improvement with it.. im still trying exercising but ive been under quite some stress in past few months and couldnt just find the motivation, energy to do that regularly

i never made any main thread with all info combined cause its a non brainer after years of extremely bad diet, sedentary lifestytle and being overweight, these things should be altered as a first measure against any conditions that result from that

however, I think it's also possible that simply this huge stress contributed or even caused some permanent change in my hormones and even getting the weight in order wont be enough to fully recover

anyway, i dont want to sound like im advertising l-arginine and pycnogenol but i have seen the clinical studies as well as some experieces on message boards and it seems to be working for some guys so i'd rather take it first, before moving to viagra.

only if i take prelox for a while and at least make some progress in cutting weight, and when i still suffer then from a complete lack of morning erections and low libido, will i consult an endo and do the most complex labs possible and seek the best possible treatment

i'd just rather be natural than spend the whole life injecting testosterone and adjusting dosages , monitoring the labs changes etc

ps this forum is interesing, because even people with similar problems, all have different approach to this. Then again, if you've been stuck to your chair, eating pizzas, getting overweight and substituting a relationship with porn, its obvious that you're aware you had it all totally wrong and it requires time to cure yourself. If you've been having a good life, a stable relationship like Tyler81, and a problem with Ed or low hormones, suddenly arised, then its obvious you want an immediate cure and not one taking half a year.

 

[Tyler81]

now im putting my hopes on pycnogenol and l-arginine, i gonna order Prelox (it consists of these two and is allegeadly clinically proven to work) and when it comes to the sexual department i hope for some slow improvement with it.. im still trying exercising but ive been under quite some stress in past few months and couldnt just find the motivation, energy to do that regularly

ps this forum is interesing, because even people with similar problems, all have different approach to this. Then again, if you've been stuck to your chair, eating pizzas, getting overweight and substituting a relationship with porn, its obvious that you're aware you had it all totally wrong and it requires time to cure yourself. If you've been having a good life, a stable relationship like Tyler81, and a problem with Ed or low hormones, suddenly arised, then its obvious you want an immediate cure and not one taking half a year.

Hey man ... being in a stable relationship with no libido is the worst! I'm surprised my girl even stuck with me (and still sticks with me) even tho my libido is sh*t/non existant. Its made me appreciate her a hell of a lot more. I use my friend mr. cialis when needed to perform. It helps physically. I can also get it "up" without cialis, but i have no sexual hornyness like i did before TRT. Testim definetly gave me some HORNYNESS feelings. And a raging libido. My libido on Testim was almost ridiculous! I remember I spent hours looking at porn LOL only because it was such an amazing feeling to look at naked chicks and feel that sexual energy in my body.

I am curious about Prelox? WTF is it?

I am currently trying Wellbutrin for libido.

 

[Tyler81]

I googl'ed Prelox: http://www.prelox.com/html/prelox_3_3.html

It seems to be something that helps "get it up" more than actually increase libido.

I think things like Cialis, Viagara, Prelox, can help with physical functionality. But these things can't help with the physical "hornyness" and sexual desire. That feeling where you want to pick up a chick and toss her on a bed and f**k the sh*t outta her.

Man I miss that feeling!!!!!!

 

[Makloda]

Thanks for the back up people.

I found the following post elsewhere...

Could it be apliable to my situation as well given the off relation between TSH and F4 in my results?

I was diagnosed with secondary hypo with a tsh of .78 (.34-5.6), FT4 .76 (.5-1.5) and FT3 3.2 (2.5-3.9). All my numbers were in the "normal" range. It was the abnormal relationship between the tsh and FT4 and my symptoms that led to this diagnosis. And, my tsh and FT4 kept falling together. Generally, with a tsh in that low normal range, I should have a much higher FT4 level and as FT4 drops, tsh should rise - that wasn't happening for me. I do not have any pituitary tumors or disease.....just a sluggish pituitary gland or hypothalamus according to my doc. I take Armour now.


I don't understand why my endo didnt pick up on that relation...

 

[cj123]

alright tyler if I go to the doctor and they try to put me on TRT , make sure to do the gel not the shots right. I dont plan on using TRT first but if I have to choose a option go with the gel. I think my case is high E2 and low T

 

[Halfwaythere]

Thanks for the back up people.

I found the following post elsewhere...

Could it be apliable to my situation as well given the off relation between TSH and F4 in my results?

I was diagnosed with secondary hypo with a tsh of .78 (.34-5.6), FT4 .76 (.5-1.5) and FT3 3.2 (2.5-3.9). All my numbers were in the "normal" range. It was the abnormal relationship between the tsh and FT4 and my symptoms that led to this diagnosis. And, my tsh and FT4 kept falling together. Generally, with a tsh in that low normal range, I should have a much higher FT4 level and as FT4 drops, tsh should rise - that wasn't happening for me. I do not have any pituitary tumors or disease.....just a sluggish pituitary gland or hypothalamus according to my doc. I take Armour now.


I don't understand why my endo didnt pick up on that relation...

Your thyroid levels definitely are off. Fixing your thyroid problem may raise your testosterone enough that you won't need to go on Testosterone replacement. Unfortunately most doctors won't know what to do and will not treat your condition. It is especially hard to find a doc that will treat your condition in Europe.

 

[CubbieBlue]

Your thyroid levels definitely are off. Fixing your thyroid problem may raise your testosterone enough that you won't need to go on Testosterone replacement. Unfortunately most doctors won't know what to do and will not treat your condition. It is especially hard to find a doc that will treat your condition in Europe.

What part of his thyroid numbers are "off"?

 

[Makloda]

What part of his thyroid numbers are "off"?

You disagree? You think they are fine?

 

[Makloda]

I made an appointment with Dr Crisler who is a known Dr in this area I think and send him my story.

I will post it here as well should anyone read something in it that might ring a bell concerning my specific situation. thanks for any feedback in advance.


HGH: <0,05 range <0,8

IGF-1 186 117-303
LH 2,3 1,2-7,8
FSH 3,8 1,6-9,7
Prolactine 6,7 3,7-17,9

Cortisol 11,7 4,5-22,4
T 520 132-813
Free androgen 60 15-95
Sex binding globuline 30 7-100
TSH 0,92 0,3-3,90
Free t4 11,3 10-28
Anti thyroglobuline <20 <40
Anti TPO <10 <35


I was also diagnosed with a vitamine D and phosphate shortage.



Visited 5 endocrinologists. They all said 1000% perfect test results. Penis tests, faeces and urine tests came back spotless as well.

Intro:



About 10 years ago my problems started. One night during masturbation I tried to achieve orgasm trough stimulation of the prostate. My penis in erection disappeared, shrivelled to levels unimaginable before and erection became impossible to achieve.

What happened? Did I hit my prostate nerves? Urologist diagnoses heavy prostate inflammation. 6 months of taravid subscribed. Viagra subscribed. Full constant penis size both erect as flaccid returns and stays days after Viagra usage, even in small doses.

Very very sexually active for 4 years. Able to have sex for hours and full ejaculation control. Relationship ends. 6 months later and still single urinal incontinence appears, as does extreme premature ejaculation. No prostate inflammation observed in tests, taravid offers no relief.

Urinal incontinence brought under control trough manual manipulation trough the stomach. No premature ejaculation relief at all.

Testicular atrophy appears. At first trough them literally disappearing, later on trough them just being smaller.

Viagra is no alternative anymore. Does nothing (really nothing except a red face!) anymore where it used to be the perfect helping tool. Same goes for cialis etc. I am not impotent just to make that clear! I can have erections still but with it’s fair share of complications.

Where we are today:


My primary physical complaints:

* No spontaneous erections. Ever. Morning erection is there but only starts in the first minute after waking up strangely enough.

* Flaccid penis fluctuates in size constantly from extremely shrivelled and desensitised to full size fully trough blooded. How can this be? Perfect penis one moment, penis disappears the next and so on. - Best for flaccid penis size and erection is sitting down or lying down … The worst is standing up straight. Erection can be achieved and maintained in all any position but is the most difficult and unsustainable standing up.

* Atrophy in testicles, started 3 to 4 years after penis size became an issue. At times I can literally watch them shrivel.

* Chronic premature ejaculation. After 1 minute of masturbation I can feel the inflammation taking hold. I once had sex with a girl after suffering from severe urinal distress at the time and 3 days later she had to go to the toilet as well 20 times a day. The doctors found no STD but I am positive I was the cause.

* High(er) prostate sensitivity. The notion of having ejaculated can remain for at least 24 hours.

* Urination flow and control offers no noticeable problem anymore except perhaps in situations of high stress.
* Low fertility.
* Still look 19 both in the face as body wise.
* Fatigue! I can be so tired at times either by doing nothing or after work or sport. Waking up is a ***** as well.

Secondary physical complaints:

* Lack of natural muscle building.
* Difficulty achieving muscle or weight gain. Difficulty holding on to gains.
* Inability to tolerate sugar, beverage in plastic bottles, caffeine, chocolate, cake. (see mental complaints for symptoms induced.)
* General stamina and endurance acceptable but abnormal recovery time required. I can go in the red walking 30 miles but I can’t sprint 500 meters.
* Pubic hair and armpit hair showing signs of thinning and slower growth, scalpel, leg and facial hair perfectly normal.
* My legs fall asleep often when seated in the same position for a longer time.

Primary mental complaints.


* Brain fog. On work days I get up at 5 o’clock and brain fog is pretty much absent. On days off I sleep late until 10 in the morning and brain fog is often there for large parts of the day. Going to work late or engaging other activity helps ease to a certain extend the brain fog. When I take a nap at 2 in the afternoon I know I will not reach brain clarity that day again regardless of the duration or the intensity of the nap.

* Ejaculation brain fog. After ejaculation severe brain fog and fatigue and the feeling of my body being totally inflamed appears only to ease after at least 24 to 48 hours. My face draws really pale as well.

* It really helps if I take a pain killer after ejaculation to shorten the downturn in length.

* If I masturbate without ejaculation it drains my system as well often leading to feeling weak and brain fog the next day. Ejaculation Also evokes eye twitching and sensitivity to sunlight. A sense of inflammation takes hold of my entire system focusing in the brain fog and the pelvic area.

* A more recent development: Not masturbating for a long period (+1month)destabilizes my system equally leading up to anxiety, irritation, deterioration in my genital functioning. As if my body is telling me abstinence has gone on long enough, bring it in balance again through ejaculating. Ejaculation used to bring about a further shrivelling of genitals but that no longer seems to be the case. Other post ejaculation symptoms remain in place as mentioned above.

* Brain fog linked to inability tolerating sugar, caffeine, chocolate, plastic bottles, cake,… Intake causes anxiety and general irritation. Exposure to those crashes my system and makes we want to crawl into bed and sleep.

* Caffeine particularly worsens penile and sexual function, others mainly add to deteriorating mental status.

* Intolerability of alcohol. Drunk fast.

* Cravings for sugar and or salt. I tested negative on diabetes and lactose intolerance.

Secondary mental complaints.

* Mood Swings.
* Quickly irritated.
* Quickly worried.
* Insecure
* I dumbed down, words can be harder to find.

Some musings:


* Taking a shower helps the flaccid penis size only to see it’s effect wear out fast after and actually often adding to the brain fog.

* When I am sick (it usually hits on my tonsils ) I go totally 100% impotent and my penis shrinks to the smallest ever! When I get better so does my potency but only to a certain extend. Brain fog is much better when I am sick.

* When I do pull ups my body mistakes the action and feels like getting ready for ejaculation. It effects the same mechanism which I am not able to control when I prematurely ejaculate.

* On bad days I get huge sacks below my eyes as if I haven’t slept for 2 weeks. The worse the sacks the bigger the brain fog. It really offers a window on my brain functioning and general status.

Therapy’s taken:


Acupuncture. Bio puncture. Osteopathy. Homeopathy. Supplement advise. Psychotherapy, psychiatry, etc. The works really.

All of them at least 10 to 20 appointments following their instructions to the letter.

Suplements taken:

I never did any steroids.

I once took 1 XTC pill long after my problems started and it made my penis shrink even more so only to see it’s influence wear of the next 48 hours.

I also once used protein powder to gain weight which in retrospective did harm my hormonal system if that’s even possible? In my memory I took it around the period my problems grew from penis size only to system degeneration for what it’s worth.

Apart from the endless list of OTC supplements (Zinc, maca, tribulus terrestris, 5htp, L’arginine, magnesium, watermelon seed, etc etc etc.) I have also taken:


* Proviron and DHEA. Neither of them provided any relief at all in penis health, erection wise, testicle size or premature ejaculation. It did effect my mood negatively and a bad temper was my share. DHEA did make me very horny.

* Anti depressants: did nothing potency wise nor mood wise, nor did it help brain fog on the contrary.

* l thyroxine: I ejaculated with a girl without her even touching my penis! This bad never happened before. It did have somewhat of a positive effect on my fatigue.

Body responds very sensitive to all supplements, vitamins or treatments given, if there is a positive effect it gives away all initial progress very shortly after, Treatment or supplement offers no result at all anymore after initial collapse in improvement regardless of effort or dosage.

Looking back only 2 intakes of many tried supplements had a positive effect past it’s intake time frame.

1 weekly broccoli extract + the accompanied ½ Dafalgan forte .The broccoli extract gave me considerable brain fog which I countered through the pain killer.

After a few days the negative effect started to wear off allowing the improvement in penis size, feeling more like a man to set in.


The other was Magnesium ascorbate. This offered stronger and more importantly natural (!) erection strength and better penis size in flaccid state. Most remarkable was it helping to sustain erection standing up.

Life style:

I eat relatively healthy, fresh vegetables every day, I do all my transportation by bike, my work is physically moderately intense. I have many friends, yet my love life and sex live has been non existent for years now.

My 4 big complaints:

1. Shrivelled penis.
2. Premature ejaculation
3. Brain fog
4. Post orgasm break down.

What is wrong with me?

I'm thinking my neurotransmittors are out of balance, I have non bacterial prostatitis which has spread into my entire pelvic area and my hpta is in stand by modus.

But what do I know right.

Thanks for any responses.