Test400/EQ Cycle ?

[bpower]

So my proposed cycle:

Weeks 1-12,

1 ml Test4 / 1 ml EQ twice a week

To kick start was going to be wks 1-4, 30mg Dbol ED
But I never ended up getting it in time, so I'm wondering if taking 30mg of Dbol Ed from weeks 4-8 would be ok? Since I'm just about 4 weeks in now.

Arimidex .5 mg EOD

HCG
Will be run weeks 4-12 at 500IU EW. (day after test/eq shot)

PCT
1day after last shot of HCG

Nolva
Days 1-7 40mg ED
Days 8-28 20mg ED

How does this look? Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

[skofan]

what test ester are you using?

 

[bpower]

Test cypionate 100 mg
Test enanthate 150 mg
Test undecanoate 150 mg

 

[skofan]

with the long halflife of the undecanoate ester you might have to wait up to 4 weeks for the test to clear before you can start pct. so id probably personally do the dbol during those weeks to see if i could keep the gains going, or at least avoid the feeling like shit just before pct.
also, please tell me you have an ai on hand in case you need it.
and lastly, if i were you id probably add some clomid to that pct.

 

[bpower]

Yup I've been taking 0.5 mg of arimidex tablets e
EOD. But thinking I might drop it to 0.25. And Ok I could do that. 4 weeks is a long time to wait for PCT though is it not ? And how much clomid should I throw in

 

[skofan]

yes, 4 weeks is indeed a long time to wait, but where test enanthate, and cyprionate have respective halflifes of roughly 5,5 and 6 days, undecanoate has a halflife reported of up to 16.5 days, and hence takes around 3 times as long to clear your system.

4 weeks of nolva at 40/40/20/20 and 4 weeks of clomid at 100/100/50/50 seems to be the most used pct.

 

[bpower]

Ok and would you recommended that I keep taking the Dex EOD at 0.5 or 0.25? Or until I notice I need it?

 

[skofan]

to me, thats a bit of a personal preference thing. if you arent getting any sides from it i dont see a reason to stop.
its keeping bloat down for you, so why not.

 

[solo47]

skofan has given you good answers and you seem pretty well prepared.

I'd add that if .25 eod of adex works for you, great. If you get itchy nips, however, move up to .5 rod.

After your actual cycle ends, I'd suggest continuing to run adex along with three further weeks of HCG at about 1000 iu 2x EW or even more if you feel the need. Some like this time when your long esters withdraw to throw in Dbol, which will certainly keep your levels up there but will not allow a natural decline in exogenous AAS. I'd say stop everything at the same time (but the HCG & adex).

After four weeks (1 week after quitting HCG & adex), begin your official SERM PCT with clomid & nolva. This is an important period for you to get through emotionally. You have to realize you are setting the stage for your natural HTPA to kick in and that it's going to take time. Just tell yourself, you begin again all over again when your BW indicates you're ready.

Respects,
Solo

 

[SkankHunt]

I'm gunna run testE/EQ in December. I'm looking forward to see what kind of gains you'll make. Best of luck.

 

[bpower]

I've heard from many people that running HCG while on your cycle is a waste of time and money because no matter what you take the HCG isn't enough to keep your balls going over your injections, is this true? And thanks again everybody I really appreciate it. Btw I am 4 weeks in and have already gained 23 lbs partially just from my increased appetite but it is nearly all lean muscle. Really loving it and starting to feel it now

 

[solo47]

I've heard from many people that running HCG while on your cycle is a waste of time and money because no matter what you take the HCG isn't enough to keep your balls going over your injections, is this true? And thanks again everybody I really appreciate it. Btw I am 4 weeks in and have already gained 23 lbs partially just from my increased appetite but it is nearly all lean muscle. Really loving it and starting to feel it now

23 lbs in 3 weeks and it's not water weight? Well, maybe. Great work.

Some say there's no real need to run HCG during your cycle because large doses (up to 500 iu/ED) at the end will kick your natural testosterone production back into gear and enlarge your testicles to their normal size. Why worry about shrunken balls on cycle for only cosmetic reasons? However, many feel keeping your testicles' natural size during your cycle makes it easier to get them working again after your cycle is done. So there's two views here. Yes, HCG does "keep your balls going", but it does nothing but continue to block your brain centres (the "H" & "P" part of your HPTA) that control natural testosterone production. One thing I am sure of izzat HCG on cycle in proper amounts will certainly keep the boys fat & jolly, and, it seems to me, will be a slight aphrodisiac and increase the size of your ejaculate too.

Respects,
Solo

 

[bpower]

Oh don't get me wrong some of it is definitely water weight but I think a fair bit of it is solid muscle but I'll just have to wait and see lol. So one last question what if I was to run dbol at 30 mgs a day for 4 weeks right now then took another 4 week break until I start my HCG to run another small cycle of dbol to try and keep my size ?

 

[idmd]

I've heard from many people that running HCG while on your cycle is a waste of time and money because no matter what you take the HCG isn't enough to keep your balls going over your injections, is this true? And thanks again everybody I really appreciate it. Btw I am 4 weeks in and have already gained 23 lbs partially just from my increased appetite but it is nearly all lean muscle. Really loving it and starting to feel it now

I'm confused by your logic here. Exogenous AAS negatively feeds back to the pituitary reducing LH/FSH levels. hCG is an LH analogue that directly stimulates the testes....whether or not your pituitary is or isn't producing LH due to AAS is irrelevant when you're injecting hCG....it WILL stimulate your testes regardless of AAS use....although FSH receptors in the testes will be minimally stimulated when injecting hCG during AAS.

 

[bpower]

It's not my logic man that's just what I've heard I'm on here to learn and do things properly so thank you I never knew that. Also good to know!

 

[DieYoungStrong]

For what it's worth, I am not a big fan of hcg for a cycler. If you're on trt its a bit different.

 

[bpower]

So what's the final verdict on everyones opinion on the dbol? Run it now for an early boost or save it for when I'm running HCG to keep levels up ?

 

[solo47]

So what's the final verdict on everyones opinion on the dbol? Run it now for an early boost or save it for when I'm running HCG to keep levels up ?

I'd throw the shit away, but I'm definitely in the minority here. Dbol made me grow alright, but it also bloated me and gave me terrible acid indigestion. My face looked like Humpty Dumpty before his great fall.

Solo

 

[bpower]

Start pct 10
Days after last test shot
Mix 1 bacterial static water in each Hcg bottle then shoot 10 units each day for 10 days
20 mgs of nolvadex daily for 30 days

This is what I was told by a trainer I know. Does this sound efficient as an alternative route with the gear I am running?

 

[skofan]

Start pct 10
Days after last test shot
Mix 1 bacterial static water in each Hcg bottle then shoot 10 units each day for 10 days
20 mgs of nolvadex daily for 30 days

This is what I was told by a trainer I know. Does this sound efficient as an alternative route with the gear I am running?

short answer NO!

long answer:

yes, 4 weeks is indeed a long time to wait, but where test enanthate, and cyprionate have respective halflifes of roughly 5,5 and 6 days, undecanoate has a halflife reported of up to 16.5 days, and hence takes around 3 times as long to clear your system.

4 weeks of nolva at 40/40/20/20 and 4 weeks of clomid at 100/100/50/50 seems to be the most used pct.

starting pct 10 days after last shot of aas and running for 30 days will give you at best a week of pct where your bloodstream has low enough amounts of aas in it for your body to start producing testosterone again. couple that with only using nolva, and only at 20 mg, and you have a one week pct consisting of 20 mg's of nolva.
there are several ways to go with the dbol, but only one effective way to go with the pct. i stand by my advice.