Testosterone and Size

[malfeasance]

Anybody here big but always runs low testosterone?

I am genuinely curious.


Let's qualify "big." Big enough to win open class in NPC amateur competition.


I am asking because it seems every time I see somebody posting about running low testosterone exclusively, that person is small. Any exceptions to that here on Meso?

 

[Bumpygooch]

Good question.....isn’t this TRT/low test on blast a relatively new theory made popular by a now deceased person?

 

[grey]

I am asking because it seems every time I see somebody posting about running low testosterone exclusively, that person is small. Any exceptions to that here on Meso?

I would assume that anyone running just Test alone at low doses is essentially going to be at "natty" levels of size, maximum. be wierd if otherwise eh?

 

[All Nats McGee]

Arnold’s favorite stack
15mg Dbol base
200mg Primo E

He didn’t need grams of gear to win the Olympia.

 

[grey]

Arnold’s favorite stack
15mg Dbol base
200mg Primo E

He didn’t need grams of gear to win the Olympia.

I mean ok...?

What does this have to do with the topic of running nothing but low-dose test?

 

[All Nats McGee]

I mean ok...?

What does this have to do with the topic of running nothing but low-dose test?

You can ask what’s a low dose of test and get 20 different answers. What’s a low dose of test to you?

What I said shows what the genetically gifted can achieve on 300mg total of AAS. Doesn’t matter if it’s not test. How’s this not relevant?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

You can ask what’s a low dose of test and get 20 different answers. What’s a low dose of test to you?

What I said shows what the genetically gifted can achieve on 300mg total of AAS. Doesn’t matter if it’s not test. How’s this not relevant?

Or the truth might have been changed a wee bit.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

You can ask what’s a low dose of test and get 20 different answers. What’s a low dose of test to you?

What I said shows what the genetically gifted can achieve on 300mg total of AAS. Doesn’t matter if it’s not test. How’s this not relevant?

That's assuming Arnold is even telling the truth.
That's like Lee priest claiming he ran "One Deca (as in 1 ampoule per week) and some Test"


@malfeasance
Do you mean guys that cycle low T, use higher DHT or 19Nor?

Or just Low Test/compounds in general

Either way, interesting question

 

[grey]

You can ask what’s a low dose of test and get 20 different answers. What’s a low dose of test to you?

One which includes test at all instead of dianabol and primo?


and as @BigBaldBeardGuy mentioned, I also massively doubt Arnold's truthfulness here.

Restraint and moderation was NOT his thing at the time.

 

[RuchamCiMame]

You really belive this or just trollin, im New here this 15dbol and 200prim?

 

[All Nats McGee]

Or the truth might have been changed a wee bit.

There’s way to much evidence and testimonys showing what he achieved was on low amounts. He did up it a little like 2 weeks before a big show. But for the majority of the year it was low IMO. Can’t be 100% certain though.

 

[All Nats McGee]

That's assuming Arnold is even telling the truth.
That's like Lee priest claiming he ran "One Deca (as in 1 ampoule per week) and some Test"


@malfeasance
Do you mean guys that cycle low T, use higher DHT or 19Nor?

Or just Low Test/compounds in general

Either way, interesting question

Yeah I don’t believe Lee Prist.

 

[All Nats McGee]

One which includes test at all instead of dianabol and primo?


and as @BigBaldBeardGuy mentioned, I also massively doubt Arnold's truthfulness here.

Restraint and moderation was NOT his thing at the time.

Like I said it doesn’t really matter which AAS you choose. They all build muscle close to the same rate and all possess close to the same nitrogen retention quantity’s. So if it’s primo, dbol or test what matters more is total amount being used.

 

[Bumpygooch]

Arnold’s favorite stack
15mg Dbol base
200mg Primo E

He didn’t need grams of gear to win the Olympia.

You understand the relativity of this statement, right? #1 it was almost 50 years ago, #2 everyone was running the same thing. So, there certainly is a correlation, there is definitely not causality. He didn’t need grams of gear to win, this is true, but, was ANYONE taking grams of gear?

 

[All Nats McGee]

You understand the relativity of this statement, right? #1 it was almost 50 years ago, #2 everyone was running the same thing. So, there certainly is a correlation, there is definitely not causality. He didn’t need grams of gear to win, this is true, but, was ANYONE taking grams of gear?

I’m sure SOMEONE was.

 

[Bumpygooch]

I’m sure SOMEONE was.

Welp, as long as YOU’RE sure, game, set, match......speculative(at best)anecdotes for the win.

 

[grey]

I’m sure SOMEONE was.

As you are SURE Arnold wasn't... Good grief.

 

[RuchamCiMame]

Very interesting thread for me, coz any higher than 300ew test and all dhts crush my hdl to single digits, maybe low test cycle + dbol/19nor will save it

 

[Blange89]

I've always seen the guys that run a low test base tend to look like Dylan Gemelli, or that ZYZZ look.

 

[Monkipalo]

That sounds good