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RomanMVP said:
Actually, no, the amount men produce naturally is apprx. 5-6 mg. per day
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That's 42mg a week so if we strip off the ester trt is 61mg a week so how does 183mg a week of pure testosterone not help an athlete who supposedly built their performance on 42mg a week, really makes me fink

By his own logic that should provide a new hormonal stimulus unless these athletes were already using peds
 
RebornNez said:
That's 42mg a week so if we strip off the ester trt is 61mg a week so how does 183mg a week of pure testosterone not help an athlete who supposedly built their performance on 42mg a week, really makes me fink

By his own logic that should provide a new hormonal stimulus unless these athletes were already using peds
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because is not enough....
it can upgrade your desire of sex but can't increase your muscle....
 
Bump for more input. I always wondered whether 300mg could be sustained up until one is past their genetic limits and only then would they have to increase the dose.
 
Exister0 said:
Bump for more input. I always wondered whether 300mg could be sustained up until one is past their genetic limits and only then would they have to increase the dose.
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Sure, why not? You could probably do that on quote a bit less than 300, since most males are way below that level of natural testosterone. But it would take a LOT longer than if that same person injected 600mg of test and went to work.
 
malfeasance said:
Sure, why not? You could probably do that on quote a bit less than 300, since most males are way below that level of natural testosterone. But it would take a LOT longer than if that same person injected 600mg of test and went to work.
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How much longer? I know there are countless variables. But if you were to throw out a number, one for yourself with all sincerity what would your guess be>
 
Testosterone tells your body to grow muscle and be stronger. That is why men look different than women, and women who take testosterone and do not train get muscles like men.

Males given various doses of testosterone, with no training, get bigger muscles the higher the dose.

The studies go up to 600. The result stays the same up to the highest dose. More testosterone, more muscle.

It might still work at 700, 800, 1000. 1200 - but we do not know, because the studies do not go that high. At some point we know anecdotally that the dose stops being more effective. I don't know where that dose is for me, because I have not reached it, but I have heard IFBB pros (more than one, perhaps half a dozen) claiming that when they run it higher than somewhere in the range of 1250-1500 there was a point of seriously diminishing returns.

Now combine that knowledge with intense weight training and a diet planned for muscle growth, and you get results.

Yes, 300 grows more muscle than natty, too, even without weight training. But the effect is better at 600. Keep in mind those studies are on healthy males who are not weight training.
 
malfeasance said:
Testosterone tells your body to grow muscle and be stronger. That is why men look different than women, and women who take testosterone and do not train get muscles like men.

Males given various doses of testosterone, with no training, get bigger muscles the higher the dose.

The studies go up to 600. The result stays the same up to the highest dose. More testosterone, more muscle.

It might still work at 700, 800, 1000. 1200 - but we do not know, because the studies do not go that high. At some point we know anecdotally that the dose stops being more effective. I don't know where that dose is for me, because I have not reached it, but I have heard IFBB pros (more than one, perhaps half a dozen) claiming that when they run it higher than somewhere in the range of 1250-1500 there was a point of seriously diminishing returns.

Now combine that knowledge with intense weight training and a diet planned for muscle growth, and you get results.

Yes, 300 grows more muscle than natty, too, even without weight training. But the effect is better at 600. Keep in mind those studies are on healthy males who are not weight training.
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Ill met you in the middle at 450! :D
 
malfeasance said:
Sure, why not? You could probably do that on quote a bit less than 300, since most males are way below that level of natural testosterone. But it would take a LOT longer than if that same person injected 600mg of test and went to work.
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I believe what you said here is pretty much THE definition of blast and cruise. The way I understand it is the higher you go on a blast to keep gaining and progressing- the higher you would have to go with your cruise dosage in order to maintain the gain in mass. Somebody who builds themselves up 50 to 100 pounds over there natty weight should need more test then their natural levels in order to maintain.
 
Yeah I've always had the mentality that the bigger difference between your blast and cruise doses, the better growth. As in using the lowest dose to cruise with with no other compunds
 
Blange89 said:
Yeah I've always had the mentality that the bigger difference between your blast and cruise doses, the better growth. As in using the lowest dose to cruise with with no other compunds
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I think that GH15 in his bible wrote something good here and there.... This quote isn't that bad.... Even he admitted that he never cruised often...

i always was on .. changing products during my career?.

i hate this word but
i would cruise on
250mg if i used less than 1 gram testosterona
i would cruise on
400 - 500mg if used more than 1 gram
and i mean into the
2 and 3 gram testosterona doses


gh15 approved
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bob357sig said:
I believe what you said here is pretty much THE definition of blast and cruise. The way I understand it is the higher you go on a blast to keep gaining and progressing- the higher you would have to go with your cruise dosage in order to maintain the gain in mass. Somebody who builds themselves up 50 to 100 pounds over there natty weight should need more test then their natural levels in order to maintain.
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Generous cruise dose = about 2 to 2.5 mg/week for every kilogram of body weight.
 
The golden era guys were no different than the guys today, some run small doses with amazing results and some run high doses because they are lazy and or use shit gear.

People seem to forget that the guys in the 50's/60s/70s/80's were ALL running human grade gear and not this hit or miss shit from China we all use now and anyone who thinks UGL stuff can compare to UGL stuff is completely out to lunch. Go run 25mgs of hg dbol and it will feel like 100mgs of ugl stuff! :cool:
 
JetsFan said:
The golden era guys were no different than the guys today, some run small doses with amazing results and some run high doses because they are lazy and or use shit gear.

People seem to forget that the guys in the 50's/60s/70s/80's were ALL running human grade gear and not this hit or miss shit from China we all use now and anyone who thinks UGL stuff can compare to UGL stuff is completely out to lunch. Go run 25mgs of hg dbol and it will feel like 100mgs of ugl stuff! :cool:
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could you tell me what the magic ingredient is in pharma grade gear?
 
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