Testosterone problems

[iamambition]

I came off a cycle, or should i say more like a cruise, 3 months ago. I was taking gear long time, not high doses, but long time, 3 and half year maybe. Last few months of a cycle i finishes with some low dose of test E, something like 50mg per week and 300mg of masteron acetate, i did 4 weeks of that before going all off. Started hcg while on cycle 2x500iu per week, when i went off upped hcg to 1000 EOD. I did a lab test of TT and E2 10 days ago, TT was 77ng/dl, E2 was also low 9.81pg/ml (11-43). I did my last hcg shot yesterday, and started nolva 40mg clomid 100mg 2x per day 7 days ago. Any advices here? Shall i countinue with hcg or go with only pct or?

 

[Biggerarms22]

I came off a cycle, or should i say more like a cruise, 3 months ago. I was taking gear long time, not high doses, but long time, 3 and half year maybe. Last few months of a cycle i finishes with some low dose of test E, something like 50mg per week and 300mg of masteron acetate, i did 4 weeks of that before going all off. Started hcg while on cycle 2x500iu per week, when i went off upped hcg to 1000 EOD. I did a lab test of TT and E2 10 days ago, TT was 77ng/dl, E2 was also low 9.81pg/ml (11-43). I did my last hcg shot yesterday, and started nolva 40mg clomid 100mg 2x per day 7 days ago. Any advices here? Shall i countinue with hcg or go with only pct or?

You were shut down for 3.5 years? Lol you're gonna more likely need to TRT. PCT could be done but I am doubtful you'll recover worthy test levels. You've already been on 3.5 years so why are you all of a sudden deciding to come off completely, instead of being off cycle on TRT? It seems like you're all about this lifestyle like myself. What's the real issue, are you hoping to get a partner pregnant?
Are you changing lifestyles? Having health issues? It's just you should never have been suppressing yourself for 3.5 years if you ever intended to come off completely.

 

[iamambition]

You were shut down for 3.5 years? Lol you're gonna more likely need to TRT. What's the real issue, are you hoping to get a partner pregnant?

Yeah, and also wanted give it a break from everything for a while to be honest.
Libido is getting better last few days gotta say, ill do labtest again in monday gona check prolactin also. Had small lactations few weeks ago.

 

[iamambition]

The strangest thing here tbh is that much low estrogen, ive been using hcg for months now, aound 3000iu per week last 2 months.

 

[Gbro]

So, you were on for three years... and now your testosterone is low. I am completely shocked by this! How could this happen?! Has anyone else ever heard of such an unforeseeable consequence?

Also, if you're not making any test, there will be nothing to aromatize into estrogen. Such a great mystery....

 

[Roco Bama]

The strangest thing here tbh is that much low estrogen, ive been using hcg for months now, aound 3000iu per week last 2 months.

If you were running hcg when you did bloods then your hcg is definitely bunk.

 

[iamambition]

If you were running hcg when you did bloods then your hcg is definitely bunk.

My thoughts also.
Im taking it from pharmacy, its that greece pharma hcg.

 

[Roco Bama]

My thoughts also.
Im taking it from pharmacy, its that greece pharma hcg.

You were sold bunk hcg. You need to get a new source. HCG is a synthetic lh analog so it should raise your T level regardless of how fucked up your HPTA is.

 

[Eman]

I'm not sure exactly what the timeline here is but, are you saying you pulled a 77ng/dl draw prior to starting any PCT meds?

If so, nothing too shocking here. Your PCT isn't off to a great start but this is all still salvageable. Everyone is usually very quick to jump to going on to TRT because "it'll be impossible to recover". It's very rare to see evidence of this and when there is, you have to consider the fact that TRT might have been needed regardless of using AAS.

I would continue your PCT but you might want to dial back the clomid. 200mg is a lot. Overlapping the HCG was a good way to do it although, I have to agree it seems odd that your markers are what they are while taking that... 77ng/dl is pretty much bottom of the barrel levels.

 

[iamambition]

I'm not sure exactly what the timeline here is but, are you saying you pulled a 77ng/dl draw prior to starting any PCT meds?

If so, nothing too shocking here. Your PCT isn't off to a great start but this is all still salvageable. Everyone is usually very quick to jump to going on to TRT because "it'll be impossible to recover". It's very rare to see evidence of this and when there is, you have to consider the fact that TRT might have been needed regardless of using AAS.

I would continue your PCT but you might want to dial back the clomid. 200mg is a lot. Overlapping the HCG was a good way to do it although, I have to agree it seems odd that your markers are what they are while taking that... 77ng/dl is pretty much bottom of the barrel levels.

Yeah after i did bloods i started PCT.
Doing 40mg on nolva and 100mg of clomid but splited into 2 doses, morning and evening, 20 mg-50mg.
Will do that thanks.

 

[The Terminator]

I would of stuck with the hCG until levels were middle normal. Maybe a higher dose, switching to IM injections, trying a different brand like ovitrelle. You can have testicular recovery with serms as well.

 

[Roco Bama]

I would of stuck with the hCG until levels were middle normal. Maybe a higher dose, switching to IM injections, trying a different brand like ovitrelle. You can have testicular recovery with serms as well.

From my research, hcg doesn't do anything to restore the HPTA function or stimulate FSH production other than suppressing it since it's a synthetic LH analog. Under what condition does hcg aids in restoring natural test production ?

 

[The Terminator]

From my research, hcg doesn't do anything to restore the HPTA function or stimulate FSH production other than suppressing it since it's a synthetic LH analog. Under what condition does hcg aids in restoring natural test production ?

It’s effective in restoring the T or testicular function, so it does help restore natural T production. The main reason to use hCG when coming off is to restore testicular function so they can better respond to LH. In this guys case if he’s having little to no response to hCG then he may not have the best response to LH. That’s why it’s best to get T levels to at least 400-500 before starting serms.

 

[Grab Bag]

I'm not sure exactly what the timeline here is but, are you saying you pulled a 77ng/dl draw prior to starting any PCT meds?

If so, nothing too shocking here. Your PCT isn't off to a great start but this is all still salvageable. Everyone is usually very quick to jump to going on to TRT because "it'll be impossible to recover". It's very rare to see evidence of this and when there is, you have to consider the fact that TRT might have been needed regardless of using AAS.

I would continue your PCT but you might want to dial back the clomid. 200mg is a lot. Overlapping the HCG was a good way to do it although, I have to agree it seems odd that your markers are what they are while taking that... 77ng/dl is pretty much bottom of the barrel levels.

Yeah after i did bloods i started PCT.
Doing 40mg on nolva and 100mg of clomid but splited into 2 doses, morning and evening, 20 mg-50mg.
Will do that thanks.

You’ll be fine man, just get real pharmaceutical products on your pct and you’ll be good. I came off after 4 years trt one time, and by the end of that first year off total T was higher than it was before I started trt.

don’t get freaked out and think you have to be on forever if you don’t want to. It won’t be fun, but it is possible if it’s what you want. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions.

 

[Grab Bag]

I'm not sure exactly what the timeline here is but, are you saying you pulled a 77ng/dl draw prior to starting any PCT meds?

If so, nothing too shocking here. Your PCT isn't off to a great start but this is all still salvageable. Everyone is usually very quick to jump to going on to TRT because "it'll be impossible to recover". It's very rare to see evidence of this and when there is, you have to consider the fact that TRT might have been needed regardless of using AAS.

I would continue your PCT but you might want to dial back the clomid. 200mg is a lot. Overlapping the HCG was a good way to do it although, I have to agree it seems odd that your markers are what they are while taking that... 77ng/dl is pretty much bottom of the barrel levels.

Yes that much clomid will cause issues I think. I had terrible sides at much lower doses. I hate clomid.

 

[iamambition]

I would of stuck with the hCG until levels were middle normal. Maybe a higher dose, switching to IM injections, trying a different brand like ovitrelle. You can have testicular recovery with serms as well.

I got ovitrelle today, its from pharmacy, 250mcg pen, 6500IU.
Ill go 1500 EOD and after 10 days ill do bloods. Yeah i was doing IM injections all the time, shoulders, HGH habbit.
Last few days libido is much better gotta say, having sex daily, so i think that serms r doing its job.

 

[iamambition]

You’ll be fine man, just get real pharmaceutical products on your pct and you’ll be good. I came off after 4 years trt one time, and by the end of that first year off total T was higher than it was before I started trt.

don’t get freaked out and think you have to be on forever if you don’t want to. It won’t be fun, but it is possible if it’s what you want. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks man, i appreciate it.

 

[The Terminator]

I got ovitrelle today, its from pharmacy, 250mcg pen, 6500IU.
Ill go 1500 EOD and after 10 days ill do bloods. Yeah i was doing IM injections all the time, shoulders, HGH habbit.
Last few days libido is much better gotta say, having sex daily, so i think that serms r doing its job.

Ah ok, reason I mention IM is because I felt like it worked better but you’re already doing that. When I first tried hCG I was still on trt and felt no difference with SC, as soon as I switched to IM I felt a big difference. When I pct’d off trt of 20 months plus a couple cycles including a tren A cycle that ended a week before I terminated trt I upped ovitrelle from ~1000iu/wk to 3000+ IU/wk. After only a few weeks my T was >700ng/dL, and there wasn’t any lingering testosterone cause my T got down to 240 then 175 3-4 weeks after I stopped trt.

I feel like ovitrelle is better for hormone recovery and ball size and the regular better for increasing semen volume and sensitivity. They’ll both work for the same shit but it just seemed like in my personal experience they worked better for different things. I think the natural or regular hCG may also lead to more estradiol cause I could take an AI every day and not have any issues but with ovitrelle daily AI use would cause issues.

 

[iamambition]

@The Terminator tell what can i expect if i do bloods on lh and fsh while on hcg/ovitrelle, what values?

 

[The Terminator]

@The Terminator tell what can i expect if i do bloods on lh and fsh while on hcg/ovitrelle, what values?

If you’re taking it by itself and it raises T/E then it’ll be low unless mixed with clomid then it could be normal. The purpose of hCG here is to get the testicles active again. It’s taking the place of LH, and FSH is for fertility/sperm besides once the balls are active again serms will help with LH/FSH recovery.