Thane Labs

[Cmxer32]

 

[Moose]

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Damn it you got me in that one! Usually I give hell to the newbies for not reading.

 

[thane]

I think you should be careful what kind of info is saved in this "order" log. If you were to get popped by LE, you're just making their job easier. I'm not sure how other suppliers handle it, but it doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

It wouldn't have been identifying info.... it was just going to be products ordered nothing else.... I see how that could have come cross wrong

Idea has been scrapped anyways. It would just be my word vs. the commenter in that scenario which is useless. No order #'s at all

 

[Rocks Off]

You don't need to be sterile pre-filter. Being clean goes a long way yes but sterility is not needed until you filter, bottle, and cap.

I understand what you are saying. I guess I am misunderstanding what the actual requirement of pictures and descriptions of the brewing process actually is.
He's shown us his "sterile" bottling room but there are no pictures of his autoclave or anything that shows us his sterile filtering, bottling, and capping process. He's essentially given us a tarped off room with a table, two beakers, and 5 prefilled vials to show us that he's met the SCOC. That's enough?

If this is fine with everybody then I'll just shut up. Maybe I am misunderstanding what sort of and how much transparency we are looking for?

Here's where my concern lies: no one required pictures of the sterile brewing process from Mike Strong and now we have members with grey floaters in their vials, we have members with red crap in their vials, we even have a member who has an abscess at his injection site that still prevents him from exercising his legs almost two weeks after injection. And this is Mike Strong we are talking about, a guy who has been in the game for more than a decade, a guy that was grandfathered in on the good word of some WKM's, and look what has happened.

A few pages ago people were certain that Thane was Titan. Now he's, I guess, G2G? I dunno...

 

[Kody]

Not believing any of this bullshit.

 

[Docd187123]

I understand what you are saying. I guess I am misunderstanding what the actual requirement of pictures and descriptions of the brewing process actually is.
He's shown us his "sterile" bottling room but there are no pictures of his autoclave or anything that shows us his sterile filtering, bottling, and capping process. He's essentially given us a tarped off room with a table, two beakers, and 5 prefilled vials to show us that he's met the SCOC. That's enough?

If this is fine with everybody then I'll just shut up. Maybe I am misunderstanding what sort of and how much transparency we are looking for?

Here's where my concern lies: no one required pictures of the sterile brewing process from Mike Strong and now we have members with grey floaters in their vials, we have members with red crap in their vials, we even have a member who has an abscess at his injection site that still prevents him from exercising his legs almost two weeks after injection. And this is Mike Strong we are talking about, a guy who has been in the game for more than a decade, a guy that was grandfathered in on the good word of some WKM's, and look what has happened.

A few pages ago people were certain that Thane was Titan. Now he's, I guess, G2G? I dunno...

You're correct in that regards. I didn't mean to say that his process was good but I got the impression from your post that you seemed to think the actual mixing of the compounds or making of the solution had to be sterile too. My point was that part does not need sterility. Sterility only matters once you filter and go to cap and vial the product as you mentioned in this post. You can have a good product without an autoclave but it just provides an extra layer of protection. I personally use a pressure cooker for added piece of mind but mainly bc I use whatman zapcap-cr filters which don't come sterile. So while I'm filtering out many contaminants and bacteria, the filter itself is not sterile so I take the extra time to pressure cook everything.

I'm in no way endorsing him or his product either. I have no experience with him nor will I bc I brew my own. Just adding what info I could to the discussion. You do make some very valid points and I'm glad you elaborated on this.

 

[Marcus]

I understand what you are saying. I guess I am misunderstanding what the actual requirement of pictures and descriptions of the brewing process actually is.
He's shown us his "sterile" bottling room but there are no pictures of his autoclave or anything that shows us his sterile filtering, bottling, and capping process. He's essentially given us a tarped off room with a table, two beakers, and 5 prefilled vials to show us that he's met the SCOC. That's enough?

If this is fine with everybody then I'll just shut up. Maybe I am misunderstanding what sort of and how much transparency we are looking for?

Here's where my concern lies: no one required pictures of the sterile brewing process from Mike Strong and now we have members with grey floaters in their vials, we have members with red crap in their vials, we even have a member who has an abscess at his injection site that still prevents him from exercising his legs almost two weeks after injection. And this is Mike Strong we are talking about, a guy who has been in the game for more than a decade, a guy that was grandfathered in on the good word of some WKM's, and look what has happened.

A few pages ago people were certain that Thane was Titan. Now he's, I guess, G2G? I dunno...

NO ONE SAID THIS GUY IS G2G... Whatever that means, I thinks it's ridiculous to use this term anyway. But just because someone complies with the SCOC does not mean people have vouched for him. This thread acts as documentation of Thane's history on Meso and everyone is entitled to form their own opinion of him, I have mine as I'm sure you have yours. But I can guarantee that the process to him selling here is not over my man

 

[Rocks Off]

Cool man, thanks for information.

You're correct in that regards. I didn't mean to say that his process was good but I got the impression from your post that you seemed to think the actual mixing of the compounds or making of the solution had to be sterile too. My point was that part does not need sterility. Sterility only matters once you filter and go to cap and vial the product as you mentioned in this post. You can have a good product without an autoclave but it just provides an extra layer of protection. I personally use a pressure cooker for added piece of mind but mainly bc I use whatman zapcap-cr filters which don't come sterile. So while I'm filtering out many contaminants and bacteria, the filter itself is not sterile so I take the extra time to pressure cook everything.

I'm in no way endorsing him or his product either. I have no experience with him nor will I bc I brew my own. Just adding what info I could to the discussion. You do make some very valid points and I'm glad you elaborated on this.

 

[Kinikuman]

we even have a member who has an abscess at his injection site that still prevents him from exercising his legs almost two weeks after injection.

Do we have actual confirmation of an abscess on MS gear? I just searched the thread and couldn't find the word "abscess" anywhere.

 

[Flounder]

While I will never endorse any source because that is a stupid thing to do, I do believe he has earned the right to sell here. He completed the scoc, maybe a little slowly, but he did complete it. He has some extras, like testing of his raws and he accepts bitcoin. Yes we can say the pics of his lab are not exactly up to par as far as the lack of equipment shown in them. Maybe he can post some extra pics of equipment. But the room has a clean, sterile environment about it. Combine that with the idea of Thane testing his product for strength and purity, and we may have the 1st source here doing what we have hoped and asked for. Clean, sterile gear that has been tested for strength and adjusted accordingly. Could this be the one. Who knows? Like I said, I do not endorse any source. But I do support the idea of a source like this. Now it's up to Thane to prove himself.

Edit: Astro has said he is implementing testing of his raws, but I have yet to see any proof of this. Just needed to throw that in here.

 

[Rocks Off]

While I will never endorse any source because that is a stupid thing to do, I do believe he has earned the right to sell here. He completed the scoc, maybe a little slowly, but he did complete it. He has some extras, like testing of his raws and he accepts bitcoin. Yes we can say the pics of his lab are not exactly up to par as far as the lack of equipment shown in them. Maybe he can post some extra pics of equipment. But the room has a clean, sterile environment about it. Combine that with the idea of Thane testing his product for strength and purity, and we may have the 1st source here doing what we have hoped and asked for. Clean, sterile gear that has been tested for strength and adjusted accordingly. Could this be the one. Who knows? Like I said, I do not endorse any source. But I do support the idea of a source like this. Now it's up to Thane to prove himself.

Are we for certain those Mass Spec's are of his gear? There's MS all over the internet.

 

[Flounder]

Are we for certain those Mass Spec's are of his gear? There's MS all over the internet.

See that will always be a good question to ask. The best way to know if it is true is by running labs after 5 weeks and that will tell us the truth. That's what I love about Meso now is the amount of testing going on. We need to get on top of these sources early and test the shit out of them so they know we are serious. If Thane doesn't really test his shit, we will know it very quickly, and he knows that.

 

[Rocks Off]

Do we have actual confirmation of an abscess on MS gear? I just searched the thread and couldn't find the word "abscess" anywhere.

I may have been wrong about the abscess (could have sworn I read that, maybe in another thread). I re-read most of what lucabratzi wrote about his seemingly awful experience with floaters and massive PIP in his quad from the MS gear. Said he needed penicillin shots and a course of antibiotics. His leg was giving out, immovable at times, and could barely walk sometimes. It's been on two weeks now. I guess I inferred from the penicillin shots and swelling that it was an abscess. Regardless, it's a serious issue for him and could become a serious issue for any of us who buy improperly sterilized gear from these UGL's.

 

[Rocks Off]

See that will always be a good question to ask. The best way to know if it is true is by running labs after 5 weeks and that will tell us the truth. That's what I love about Meso now is the amount of testing going on. We need to get on top of these sources early and test the shit out of them so they know we are serious. If Thane doesn't really test his shit, we will know it very quickly, and he knows that.

Unfortunately to get to the testing we have to put our faith in these UGL's and hope we don't get infections like Luca or inject female hormones. Which is why I think every "T" needs to be crossed and every "I" dotted before Thane gets signed off. Something about his backstory isn't adding up for me.

 

[thane]

There is actually a part of the CoC I didn't address in detail

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After each order has been processed, all emails containing sensitive information are purged on my end shortly thereafter.

The only way to truly protect yourself is to learn how to use PGP encryption!! Search "mailvelope tutorial" on youtube - this is the most simple tutorial I've seen to date.

PLEASE LEARN HOW TO USE BITCOINS!!!! Eventually I intend to ONLY accept bitcoin for payment. Bitcoin and possibly other decentralized currencies are the way of the future plain and simple.

 

[FuriousWO]

@thane got any MS of the Tren A and NPP?

 

[thane]

Unfortunately to get to the testing we have to put our faith in these UGL's and hope we don't get infections like Luca or inject female hormones. Which is why I think every "T" needs to be crossed and every "I" dotted before Thane gets signed off. Something about his backstory isn't adding up for me.

You raise some very valid points. I'm certainly not the first UGL operator to claim to have all his raws tested. This is why I'm trying to be as user-friendly as humanly possible when it comes to testing - I want you all to rigorously test what I sell. This is the only way to prove I do what I claim to do and furthermore if even ONE test comes back bad I will be ran off of this forum because of what I've claimed, which has effectively taken plausible deniability off of the table. I can't hide behind the "bad batch" excuse. Even still, I'm pushing for testing and compensating those who do it. Think about that. MESO is ruthless and I know it.

The most valid of your criticisms IMO is the lack of autoclave. I completely agree.... the absolute number one priority for me going forward is to obtain one. It certainly is unprofessional to launch an UGL without one, but reality is between paying off the debt from this piece of wallpaper that definitely isn't useless at all some call a "degree" and life in general I was not able to purchase this roughly $5,000 piece of equipment prior to opening.... on top of the already large dollar amount I have invested that is. I've spent a few thousand on mass specs alone.

With regards to filtering, I currently use disposable units that come in sterilized packaging and obviously the media bottle into which the contents flow is also sterile. This combined with the "clean room" being utilized makes the risk of infection insanely low considering 2% BA is being used in all products. I spent my fair share of time inside labs during my time at University having been a Science major - basic laboratory procedure is not something I'm unfamiliar with.

I agree with whomever it was that said there is no such thing as an UGL being "G2G". Unfortunately, time and individual member testing is the best consolation I can offer you to prove legitimacy.

 

[Flounder]

Unfortunately to get to the testing we have to put our faith in these UGL's and hope we don't get infections like Luca or inject female hormones. Which is why I think every "T" needs to be crossed and every "I" dotted before Thane gets signed off. Something about his backstory isn't adding up for me.

Now this I agree with in regards to the safety of Meso members. And these are exactly the reasons I have been pushing Thane to complete the scoc. I wanted to see a sterile room that didn't include a toilet. lol. On a serious note, I don't know what else to suggest though. If you have any suggestions at all, then please throw 'em out here for everyone to discuss. That also goes for anyone else reading this post.

 

[Abuckeye]

You stated that "with regards to filtering that you use disposable units that are in sterilized packaging and media bottles in which the contents flow is also sterile. "
Can you take some pics of this process and these filters wherever it may be.
You've stated than any person around a lab can walk in and take pics of equipment but I want to see your filtering equipment.

 

[Rocks Off]

You stated that "with regards to filtering that you use disposable units that are in sterilized packaging and media bottles in which the contents flow is also sterile. "
Can you take some pics of this process and these filters wherever it may be.
You've stated than any person around a lab can walk in and take pics of equipment but I want to see your filtering equipment.

This is what I was asking for. He hasn't posted anything except a taped off room with a hepa filter in it. Thane disappears for two days at a time and then out of nowhere he has mass spec's, then he disappears again and then he shows up with his taped off room. This dude is not adding up. I'll keep saying it, his backstory does not jive.