THE FULL VIDEO of the guy getting beheaded

[la_triathlete]

The video and this thread make me sick!!!!

I just watched the video. Right now my chest feels very heavy and I have a lump in my throat that doesnt seem to want to go away. But you know what actually made me more sad than seeing that video? It was reading this thread!

How ignorant are some of you guys? Tolerance and understanding must not have been part of your education- if some of you even received an education at all! Do you ever stop your knee jerk reactions and THINK!!!!! Do you realize that United States history is laden with international political situations that WE SET UP, and wind up turning into these kind of fucked up messes? Why dont some of you pick up a book regarding a real and critical analysis of US Foreign Policy. Yes, we do plenty of good stuff around the world, but we FUCK UP a lot as well. There are a few foreign policy decisions/ actions I can think of that were for altruistic reasons, but unfortunately, more times than not, political expediency is at the forefront of foreign policy decisions. We assume that we can handle, with ease, the fall out of decisions we made in the past, just to find ourselves in situations like that occurring in Iraq right now.

I also find it laughable that some of you guys are talking about Those Fucken Arab Terrorists as if the United States is some sort of moral nation void of terrorist evil and that any terrorists in the US are foreign born. Humm.. Have any of you heard of Timothy McVeigh, what about the KKK, the Arian Nation? How about the Michigan Militia, or the Neo-Confederate, or the Black Separatists?

One of you guys mentioned how those Muslim animals who decapitated the American were hiding behind their religion as a justification for their atrocities. What the fuck are all those Christian fundamentalists doing when they justify burning down an abortion clinic, or when those fucked up White Supremacist groups quote scripture as a rationalization for their hatred. Do any of you care to make a serious, logical, and non-knee jerk reaction about the difference between those Muslim animals and Christian Fundamentalists or U.S. based hate groups? They are all the same.

The entire world, and that includes the United States, is very fucked up. All people ever think of is retaliation and retribution. If this is a tit-for-tat situation, how far back do you care to go regarding who started what first? Please no bull shit answer like- well Saddam had those terrorists fly into the WTC! No he did not, and if you have been listening to what is coming out of our own government, even our non-popularly, Supreme Court elected president admits that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. As for people in Baghdad parading in the streets after the WTC attacks- Yes, that is fucked up, but that does not make them complicit in the event.

How fucken ironic that some of you guys lump all those Arab Animals in one boat for what a few did. By that logical, all Americans are animals for what a few did in that prison. This is when I ask some of you guys to fucken think before making your knee jerk reactions/ responses. And let us be 100% serious. Do you REALLY think the prisoner abuses are as isolated as the government is making it out to seem? If so, then dont even bother replying to my post, because I will have little to no respect for your comments.

I DO NOT THINK that the American Military folks who perpetrated those acts are bad people, but let us consider a few things about the situation:
When you put young people, most of whom are probably just out of high school, in a HIGHLY EMOTIONAL CHARGED, and STRESSFUL environment, fighting for their lives in a foreign country, believing that what they are doing is righteous, and are hated for it, you cant help but develop a situation that resulted in the abuse of prisoners. The gist of this is basic human psychology.

I am tired of all the bullshit. Shit in this world is fucked up because some guys like you say shit like they deserve it, or they are savages. Well, guess what, some of your comments are no better than the shit some Iraqis are saying about us. You think you or the US has some moral upper hand? Well guess what, WE DONT!!!!!

Finally, I dont think Stevemac has an irrational hatred of the U.S. Maybe some of you guys have an irrational need to defend the U.S. even when it is obvious that WE HAVE FUCKED UP. If some of you guys just stopped your knee jerk, xenophobic reactions and remarks, maybe we could have a rational conversation about how and why the US fucks up and make sure it does not happen again!

 

[stevemac]

I really appreciate that, im glad to see someone in the US can look outside the box. you made some excellent points and i began to feel alienated, you're right, its that kind of thinking that makes war a never ending cycle of death and destruction. I personally feel that the war in iraq made more enemies for the US then it destroyed. of course i love the US, there's little difference between canada and the USA culturally.

 

[ren]

OMG!!! what the hell is wrong with you? why are you twisting everything? don't you watch the news, you must be very young to be such an idiot. cnn reported the other day that british troops mowed down a little girl for shits and giggles amoung other things, this evidence is being viewed by the UN, and those american abuses and killings are now being investigated, i dont know if you know or not but its all over the news shithead.

if that is true..that means our military has a few bad apples that need to be gotten rid of...but the iraqui and al quaedas' entire military strategy is centered around killing the innocent

ren

 

[Patuba]

i dont know if you know or not but its all over the news shithead.

For this being a free country American news is very biased so we hardly hear everything or both sides of the story. I work for a newspaper, trust me, a lot of shit gets pulled out of the news so many Americans don't know about it.

 

[ren]

i guess after most of the statements in this thread common sense would lead us to this question: Are these muslim extremists actually just a small percentage of the entire middle eastern arab region or is it widespread belief throughout?..because it seems to me that there are way too many muslim extremist for them to be called a fundamentalist sect..seems the entire fucking religion is based on zero-tolerance of other religion

..but i consider myself a pretty intelligent man..so i ask myslef is this just american wartime propaganda or is it actually what it seems to be

thoughts?

ren

 

[Patuba]

..but i consider myself a pretty intelligent man..so i ask myslef is this just american wartime propaganda or is it actually what it seems to be

thoughts?

ren

The question if this was wartime propaganda came across my mind as well.

 

[ren]

The question if this was wartime propaganda came across my mind as well.

if its only a small percentage of extremists causing these horrific acts ..then we deal with them accordingly...

but if islamic countries actually do base their way of life on zero-tolerance..something drastic has to be done or they may very well become sort of a terrorist nazi party..this terrorism shit has to stop ..and if it is funded by their gov't we have no choice but to go to full blown war to protect ourselves here at home

ren

 

[Patuba]

I agree totally. The only thing that scares me is how difficult, if not impossible, it will be to get all of the terrorists.

if its only a small percentage of extremists causing these horrific acts ..then we deal with them accordingly...

but if islamic countries actually do base their way of life on zero-tolerance..something drastic has to be done or they may very well become sort of a terrorist nazi party..this terrorism shit has to stop ..and if it is funded by their gov't we have no choice but to go to full blown war to protect ourselves here at home

ren

 

[stevemac]

if that is true..that means our military has a few bad apples that need to be gotten rid of...but the iraqui and al quaedas' entire military strategy is centered around killing the innocent

ren

wrong, i agree that al queda's entire military strategy is killingthe innocent but not iraqis. alot of the iraqi generals that worked for saddam and banished by the US are now being asked to help the USA, they were just soldiers following orders and defending their country, alot of them just wanted to feed their families. a lot of the muslim reliegion is filled with great people, its just more interesting to tell about the bad ones in the news.

 

[Massive690]

the sad thing is... its never going to end. iraq is never going to become a peaceful nation. they are never going to have the leadership or structure to actually govern themselves. i was more for the war in iraq than anyone probably. but now i am starting to realize that the people there were probably better off with saddam. its never going to end bros, the militants and anti-americans there now have kids that they are raising to be just like themselves, then they will grow up and raise THEIR kids to be like them, its just going to keep going on forever. i think its about time we pull out and just start taking care of ourselves for once. the reason we invaded was because afghanistan and iraq woke the sleeping beast when those towers fell. so we invaded them, kicked all their asses, captured or killed their leaders (most anyways, except for that damn bin laden), now its time to pack our shit and haul ass back to the states. im sick of my buddies and fellow Americans getting killed trying to "rescue" a bunch of assholes that would saw our heads off with a steak knife in a heartbeat given the chance. America has done enough for the world, its time to take care of ourselves and let someone else step up to the plate.

 

[Snowblind]

Well, after viewing that video...I don't think I'll ever be the same. It made me sick to my stomach.

What's is also somewhat disturbing is this thread. But I will say one thing...were we just supposed to sit on our ass after 9/11 happened. I totally agree with what we are doing over there for the long run. It will get worse before it gets better. And we are hitting terrorism at all levels....not just one.

We may not always be right in what we are doing....but most of the world is just sitting on the sidelines watching this all play out. I mean....fucking stand for something....either you agree with terrorists, or you don't. If you don't....then stand up and say you don't. Don't just sit there passive. Someone has to do it....and as the world leader....we had no choice but to act.

I do think that we need to send in a shitload more troops and stop pussyfooting around.....let's get this job done as quickly as reasonably possibe and get our troops back home.

And don't even get me started about countries like France

 

[Patuba]

I do think that we need to send in a shitload more troops and stop pussyfooting around.....let's get this job done as quickly as reasonably possibe and get our troops back home.

I agree that we need to finish this thing. Here is my question, is the reason why this war has gone on for so long a lack of man power, lack of intelligence, lack of leadership, a combination of some of those or something completely different?

 

[Massive690]

I agree that we need to finish this thing. Here is my question, is the reason why this war has gone on for so long a lack of man power, lack of intelligence, lack of leadership, a combination of some of those or something completely different?

completely different. its just like vietnam dude, you can't tell the good from the bad until they start shooting at you. it isn't WWII where the German troops wore distinct uniforms. noone can tell who the enemy is

 

[Patuba]

completely different. its just like vietnam dude, you can't tell the good from the bad until they start shooting at you. it isn't WWII where the German troops wore distinct uniforms. noone can tell who the enemy is

I agree with that but some people on this thread say "more troops, more troops", would more troops really help speed things along?? I think we need more intelligence.

 

[MANWHORE]

just 1 nuke and we stop their breeding. We give the people of Iraq 2 choices. They either take control of their country or there will be no more Iraq,because we will blow it off the map.

 

[jah_live10]

I agree with that but some people on this thread say "more troops, more troops", would more troops really help speed things along?? I think we need more intelligence.

more troops wont do shit. we cant see the enemy because they hide with the normal population..... most of the terrorist come in to Iraq from Syria....Iraqs neighboring country.....

what we need to do let the Iraqie people fend for themselves. We already overthrew there corrupt government and gave them their freedom.

 

[Snowblind]

I agree with that but some people on this thread say "more troops, more troops", would more troops really help speed things along?? I think we need more intelligence.

Good point....but to gather more intelligence, we need more cooperation. And I don't think we are getting the cooperation we need.

 

[stevemac]

We may not always be right in what we are doing....but most of the world is just sitting on the sidelines watching this all play out. I mean....fucking stand for something....either you agree with terrorists, or you don't. If you don't....then stand up and say you don't. Don't just sit there passive. Someone has to do it....and as the world leader....we had no choice but to act.

I do think that we need to send in a shitload more troops and stop pussyfooting around.....let's get this job done as quickly as reasonably possibe and get our troops back home.

And don't even get me started about countries like France

well, the thing is you seem to have bought into the propaganda that iraq was part of the war on terrorism. I really don't see how the war against al queda and iraq are the same, as much as bush has tried there is no evidence that al queda and saddam ever worked together or got along for that matter. in fact, it was bin laden who wanted to go to war with saddam to protect saudi arabia from saddam in the gulf war, and most muslims despise saddam. i think to call the iraq war to be the war on terrorism is just false, im sorry.

 

[stevemac]

well, the thing is you seem to have bought into the propaganda that iraq was part of the war on terrorism. I really don't see how the war against al queda and iraq are the same, as much as bush has tried there is no evidence that al queda and saddam ever worked together or got along for that matter. in fact, it was bin laden who wanted to go to war with saddam to protect saudi arabia from saddam in the gulf war, and most muslims despise saddam. i think to call the iraq war to be the war on terrorism is just false, im sorry.

i meant to say "before" the gulf war. one of the main reasons bin laden hates the US so much is that the saudis chose to have the US protect them instead of bin laden, bin laden so this as the US conspiring to gain control over the middleeast, and now he seems to have been right but some observers.

 

[ren]

i meant to say "before" the gulf war. one of the main reasons bin laden hates the US so much is that the saudis chose to have the US protect them instead of bin laden, bin laden so this as the US conspiring to gain control over the middleeast, and now he seems to have been right but some observers.

steve read my other thread here about iraqi occupation...im curious to hear your opinion..you seem like an intelligent person and its all good if we agree to disagree anyway

ren