THE FULL VIDEO of the guy getting beheaded

[hewey Grant]

At the same time I feel it's all these Democratic bastards human right this, human rights that. I say they threaten to bury them with the pigs blood. They hate that shit. I forget exactly what it is but it's disgusting to them and they feel Allah wont accept them in the afterlife. I know a couple people in the military over there and they just say basically that they all even the kids hate americans period. They hate us. I really see no reason to help rebuild that shithole after all these are some of the same middle easterners who have been fighting over the same small piece of land for the past 50 some years. There was some Arab at the airport the other day whining about how security gives him the whole cavity search everytime basically but who can blame them? 9 out of 10 times these bombing terrorist are arabs? And about all the unhumane military acts, the people I know over there say it's just a way to get them to talk or help interrogate them so to say. It's probably saved some american's lives. I really have no respect for the culture either. The all blend in with the extremist who can somehow justify murdering people brutally as a religious crusade. Just remember all those anti war protestors, a very good number of Arabs over there would cut your fucking head off; even if they wouldn't do that they still despise you and hate your fucking guts. Sorry If I offended anyone I just had to let that out.

 

[la_triathlete]

At the same time I feel it's all these Democratic bastards human right this, human rights that. I say they threaten to bury them with the pigs blood. They hate that shit. I forget exactly what it is but it's disgusting to them and they feel Allah wont accept them in the afterlife. I know a couple people in the military over there and they just say basically that they all even the kids hate americans period. They hate us. I really see no reason to help rebuild that shithole after all these are some of the same middle easterners who have been fighting over the same small piece of land for the past 50 some years. There was some Arab at the airport the other day whining about how security gives him the whole cavity search everytime basically but who can blame them? 9 out of 10 times these bombing terrorist are arabs? And about all the unhumane military acts, the people I know over there say it's just a way to get them to talk or help interrogate them so to say. It's probably saved some american's lives. I really have no respect for the culture either. The all blend in with the extremist who can somehow justify murdering people brutally as a religious crusade. Just remember all those anti war protestors, a very good number of Arabs over there would cut your fucking head off; even if they wouldn't do that they still despise you and hate your fucking guts. Sorry If I offended anyone I just had to let that out.

Wow, I am not even sure how one would respond to such stupidity!?! Are you fucken stupid to not give a shit about basic human rights? Stop your fucking knee jerk reaction and THINK!!!!! Democratic Principles (as opposed to, oh say, dictatorships, communism, fascism, etc) are base on basic human rights. If you dont believe in them, or think people are just crying wolf, you should NOT be living in the U.S., Canada, or most other Democratic based countries. I would love to send your ass to some fucked up country that does not really give a shit about basic human rights (oh, say Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc) and see how your ass enjoys living in a country where your basic human rights and human dignity are trampled upon. Im willing to bet 100:1 that you will become a believer in protecting such rights!

As for how it is always the Democratic Bastards who pull this shit- well fuck, by that logic, The Republicans dont give a shit, so someone has too!

As for your comment I really see no reason to help rebuild that shithole. Well, by all accounts, President Bush said that he wanted to free the people of Iraq (that after he said invading was to rid Iraq of WMD, then said that invading was because Hussein was a baddddd man, then it was some other bullshit reason- what he should have said was, Daddy couldnt finish the job, so I went in- oh, and my oil buddies want the Iraqi oil fields for development). When someone makes a promise to free people, it goes hand in hand to help them rebuild and get up on their feet. This is what the U.S. signed up for (whether it wanted to or not) when it invaded Iraq. Helping to rebuild a country that we have bombed the shit out of is the RESPONSIBLE thing to do. Do I hate the fact that American citizens are being killed, YES!!!!!! Do I think it is a dangerous situation, YES!!!! But again, with power comes responsibility. Power without responsibility makes us no better than Nazi Germany, North Korea, Stalinist Russia, etc.. So unless you want to join those ranks, I suggest you switch your mind set and be responsible about your comments, attitudes, and thinking (of which I am not sure you have done much of!)
As for your comments about the Arab in the airport complaining- well shit, I would too. You must be a straight, white man- cause if you were anything else, you would understand how easy it is to be singled out for your differences. By your logic, after the Oklahoma City bombing, EVERY WHITE MAN should have been cavity searched and been considered suspect purely cause of the color of your skin. Did that happen, NO! So why should ALL people of Arab looking background be subject to that treatment. Like I said in my first post on this thread, the U.S. has its own American-born, white male based terrorist groups. Why then, should Arabs be the only ones to face this kind of treatment? Forgoing any bullshit, racist retort, please give me a logical reason for all of this! I highly doubt you can come up with one!\

Another lovely comments you made I really have no respect for the culture either. Well great, they (meaning the terrorists) have no respect for our culture either. That is why we are all in this mess to begin with. Your mentality is a great way to maintain this wonderful circle of violence and war we are in. I hope you never are in a position of leadership. But then, we already have morons in our government, so I guess one more wont make or break the current stupidity running this war!

You know, I have to admit that I am guilty of having thoughts like God, that whole middle east thing is really fucked up, we should just let them kill each other, or thoughts like we should just shoot first and ask questions later, or even why the fuck are we pussy footing around over there, send in more troops, secure the country, kill anyone who stands in our way, and just set up shop- they will thank us later I sometimes even think shit, while we are at it, we should just bomb the shit out of Saudi Arabia, they seem to be the most two faced mother fuckers in that entire region. Shit, virtually all the hijackers were Saudis anyway. We are in the wrong fucken country. But you know what, then I stop my knee jerk, moronic, illogical, redneck, white trash reactions and recognize all the implications of what I am thinking and practice some self restraint- (well, maybe with the exception of my feelings about Saudi Arabia!)

Things in this world are NOT so black and white as our president makes it out to be. Actually, I am convinced that his Black-and-White mentality is what causes so many foreign policy debackles. Furthermore, by his black and white mentality, why the hell is Saudi Arabia still not on the short list of countries to impose economic sanctions or an all out to wooping of their asses- can it be because of money and the House of Bush-House of Saud longer term relationships?

 

[Hogg]

LA,

THAT, my friend, was a wonderful read.

 

[la_triathlete]

to la_triathlete, im really glad to see someone like yourself on this board, i feel really discouraged to see so much hate around here. this eye for an eye thing gotta stop.

Well, I get the feeling we are out numbered, but that's OK, I never shy away from a good fight!

I really wonder if the amount of hateful speech on this thread (and some others I have read in the past) is really because this situation is so emotionally charged that people need to release their anger because they feel helpless and powerless to stop all the inhumanity around them (which can result in speaking before thinking). Or, maybe there is something seriously wrong with how my country teaches people to think critically about historical and political situations. I would like to think its the former, but I have to be honest with myself and think that there is something broken with the U.S. that most people are not willing to admit, or are fooled by people like Bush, Cheney, and the likes, that these problems do not really exist. This is, of course, a sure way to fall from Grace!

I truly believe that my fellow American citizens are good hearted, that when a disaster happens, we are willing to put ourselves in harms way to help out those who need it, and that our citizens are smarter than we are given credit for. But then again, I really do believe that Americans in general are not well traveled, are arrogant in relation to world politics and history, and are childishly naive about how U.S. power is perceived and received throughout the world.

With all that that said, threads like this make the good hearted nature of American citizens difficult to see. But then again, the stupidity of a few is not representative of the whole!

 

[la_triathlete]

LA,

THAT, my friend, was a wonderful read.

The rantings and ravings of a crazy liberal!!!!

 

[killiob]

Well, I get the feeling we are out numbered, but that's OK, I never shy away from a good fight!

I really wonder if the amount of hateful speech on this thread (and some others I have read in the past) is really because this situation is so emotionally charged that people need to release their anger because they feel helpless and powerless to stop all the inhumanity around them (which can result in speaking before thinking). Or, maybe there is something seriously wrong with how my country teaches people to think critically about historical and political situations. I would like to think its the former, but I have to be honest with myself and think that there is something broken with the U.S. that most people are not willing to admit, or are fooled by people like Bush, Cheney, and the likes, that these problems do not really exist. This is, of course, a sure why to fall from Grace!

I truly believe that my fellow American citizens are good hearted, that when a disaster happens, we are willing to put ourselves in harms way to help out those who need it, and that our citizens are smarter than we are given credit for. But then again, I really do believe that Americans in general are not well traveled, are arrogant in relation to world politics and history, and are childishly naive about how U.S. power is perceived and received throughout the world.

With all that that said, threads like this make the good hearted nature of American citizens difficult to see. But then again, the stupidity of a few is not representative of the whole!

Let me guess your a democrat, at least people like Bush don't support abortions, and gay marriages, etc. I hate to see how the world would be without people like Bush or without politicians who try to bring God's word into their leadership. I just pray that Kerry doesn't become president, or we are in for a world of hurt.

killiob

 

[la_triathlete]

Let me guess your a democrat, at least people like Bush don't support abortions, and gay marriages, etc. I hate to see how the world would be without people like Bush or without politicians who try to bring God's word into their leadership. I just pray that Kerry doesn't become president, or we are in for a world of hurt.
killiob

Let me guess, you are a conservative Republican!?

As for your "I [would] hate to see how the world would be without people like Bush or without politicians who try to bring God's word into their leadership." Holy Shit, you must be kidding me!!!! Um, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc are all examples of what happens when people want to bring their "God's word" and religion into their leadership. It seems that is exactly what we are fighting against in this so called war on terror. Many Islamic terrorists believe in a strict adherence to Allah and the Koran. Hum, well we see where that has lead them and many Islamic states! What blindness stops you from thinking that strict adherence to the Bible or Fundamental Christian tenants would make us any better than those Islamic states. I am 100% in favor of STRICT separation of church and state. I love my country for this principle, and think you should too!

I wont bother responding to your abortion or gay marriage comments!

 

[Massive690]

When someone makes a promise to free people, it goes hand in hand to help them rebuild and get up on their feet. This is what the U.S. signed up for (whether it wanted to or not) when it invaded Iraq. Helping to rebuild a country that we have bombed the shit out of is the RESPONSIBLE thing to do. Do I hate the fact that American citizens are being killed, YES!!!!!! Do I think it is a dangerous situation, YES!!!! But again, with power comes responsibility.

easy thing to say when you're sitting at home on your computer knowing that you are in no danger. if you believe in rebuliding and sticking it out so much in iraq, why don't you do the "responsible" thing and enlist and go to iraq and help them with it.

 

[MANWHORE]

Manwhore/ Doggy Style/ ramboj70, PLEASE tell me you guys are kidding. And if you are, your comments were not funny to begin with. I want to think you're all smarter than your comments, but you just proved my "knee-jerk-reaction" which unfortunately places you all in the lower category.

I feel like U.S. strength has long bread arrogance, when it should be breeding self restraint and responsibility. If you are a believer in American Exceptionalism, then our country should be leaning towards the latter, not the former! We have gone off our path, and we need to get back on it. However, our current administration and its Hawkish neo-conservative attitudes spew American Exceptionalism without understanding the responsibility that runs parallel to that grand idea.

I wasn't joking. NUKE THE BASTARDS!

 

[killiob]

Let me guess, you are a conservative Republican!?

As for your "I [would] hate to see how the world would be without people like Bush or without politicians who try to bring God's word into their leadership." Holy Shit, you must be kidding me!!!! Um, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc are all examples of what happens when people want to bring their "God's word" and religion into their leadership. It seems that is exactly what we are fighting against in this so called war on terror. Many Islamic terrorists believe in a strict adherence to Allah and the Koran. Hum, well we see where that has lead them and many Islamic states! What blindness stops you from thinking that strict adherence to the Bible or Fundamental Christian tenants would make us any better than those Islamic states. I am 100% in favor of STRICT separation of church and state. I love my country for this principle, and think you should too!

I wont bother responding to your abortion or gay marriage comments!

It is the very reason why people don't involve christianity into their life and belief in fake gods and stuff like that, which causes problems in the world today. The reason why other countrys fail because they are involving the wrong religion into their government. This is at no disrespect to other cultures, but that is why they continue to fail. I will not talk about religion anymore because this is not a place to talk about religion.

killiob

 

[stevemac]

If i lived in the US i would consider myself more of a republican believe it or not, i am against abortion and gay marriage, i believe gays can have civil unions but marriage is created by god, if you dont believe that then you have no reason to believe in marriage anyway, and god doesnt agree with homosexuality as do most religions. but thats besides the point. but, i was thinking about this whole thing alot today, and i came to the conclusion and la_triathlete stole the words out of my mouth, i was thinking that bush and his thinking is so black and white, arabs are bad, we are good type attitude that lets him justify this war.i juar keep thinking that some of you only care about US lives and no one elses, i hope this isnt true but it seems to be so, i mean, do you ever see cnn give the total number of iraqis killed?

 

[la_triathlete]

easy thing to say when you're sitting at home on your computer knowing that you are in no danger. if you believe in rebuliding and sticking it out so much in iraq, why don't you do the "responsible" thing and enlist and go to iraq and help them with it.

Funny thing is, in 1999, I tried to join the Air Force Reserves. I should have been the highlight of the recruiters day. Im not being conceited, but Im extremely athletic and strong, Im damn smart, I have skills in areas the military is in need of, and I have a belief that the U.S. (even with all of its problems) is a great country. For very stupid reasons I will not mention here, I was told that I was not an acceptable candidate.

No, it is not necessarily an easy thing to say. Do I want to see more American Soldier die? NO!!!!! Do I want to see more depression and despair of the Iraqi people or our own boys and girls trying to stay alive in Iraq, NO!!!!! However, the U.S. has made its policy decision regarding Iraq, and to pull out (or just blow the country up) before doing the RIGHT and RESPONSIBLE thing would be morally, ethically, and politically WRONG. This is the type of irresponsible shit the U.S. does that pisses off some many other countries and causes people around the world to think that the U.S. is the biggest threat to world peace!

What I find very funny is that your comments send the message of well, unless you are going to go serve in the military, you should keep your mouth shut. Well shit, what the fuck right do Bush or Cheney have to do anything? Bushs daddy kept him out of Vietnam, and Cheney just flat out didnt join the military at all. Just because I am not in (or was not allowed into) the military does not mean that I cant voice my opinions or try and fight for the soul of my country. I think we are heading down the wrong path and by God, I am willing to do things to affect change. What have you done to affect political change to make the world a safer place?

Can I ask Massive690, are you in the military or have you been in the military? Actually that is a pointless question, because even if you are in the military, that does not give you the right to say stupid shit like i think its time to start the bombing raids again. damn those bombings were fun to watch after school i'll take watching those ragheads getting bombed over Friends any day, or kill em all, let the devil sort em out. Comments like that make me think you are quite young, uninformed, and unthinking. Some folks in Iraq, or for any country in the Middle East for that matter, probably say shit like Ill take watching planes fly into those capitalist fuckers homes and buildings over watching Al Jazira any day. That shit is fucked up and your comment sounds just as fucked up and stupid as theirs!

 

[skyking]

Just watched it

Damn bro i say we should start cutting the fucks heads off that are in are prison now today for what they did to this guy they didnt even give him a clean whack they cut him just like you would be using a saw to cut a fucking peace of pvc pipe kill all these motherfuckers and also if i see any rag heads this weekend they are def going to get there ass kicked .............Skyking.

 

[la_triathlete]

Damn bro i say we should start cutting the fucks heads off that are in are prison now today for what they did to this guy they didnt even give him a clean whack they cut him just like you would be using a saw to cut a fucking peace of pvc pipe kill all these motherfuckers and also if i see any rag heads this weekend they are def going to get there ass kicked .............Skyking.

Wow! OK, if that's what you think is best, so be it.

 

[patsfan]

Funny thing is, in 1999, I tried to join the Air Force Reserves. I should have been the highlight of the recruiters day. Im not being conceited, but Im extremely athletic and strong, Im damn smart, I have skills in areas the military is in need of, and I have a belief that the U.S. (even with all of its problems) is a great country. For very stupid reasons I will not mention here, I was told that I was not an acceptable candidate.

No, it is not necessarily an easy thing to say. Do I want to see more American Soldier die? NO!!!!! Do I want to see more depression and despair of the Iraqi people or our own boys and girls trying to stay alive in Iraq, NO!!!!! However, the U.S. has made its policy decision regarding Iraq, and to pull out (or just blow the country up) before doing the RIGHT and RESPONSIBLE thing would be morally, ethically, and politically WRONG. This is the type of irresponsible shit the U.S. does that pisses off some many other countries and causes people around the world to think that the U.S. is the biggest threat to world peace!

What I find very funny is that your comments send the message of well, unless you are going to go serve in the military, you should keep your mouth shut. Well shit, what the fuck right do Bush or Cheney have to do anything? Bushs daddy kept him out of Vietnam, and Cheney just flat out didnt join the military at all. Just because I am not in (or was not allowed into) the military does not mean that I cant voice my opinions or try and fight for the soul of my country. I think we are heading down the wrong path and by God, I am willing to do things to affect change. What have you done to affect political change to make the world a safer place?

Can I ask Massive690, are you in the military or have you been in the military? Actually that is a pointless question, because even if you are in the military, that does not give you the right to say stupid shit like i think its time to start the bombing raids again. damn those bombings were fun to watch after school i'll take watching those ragheads getting bombed over Friends any day, or kill em all, let the devil sort em out. Comments like that make me think you are quite young, uninformed, and unthinking. Some folks in Iraq, or for any country in the Middle East for that matter, probably say shit like Ill take watching planes fly into those capitalist fuckers homes and buildings over watching Al Jazira any day. That shit is fucked up and your comment sounds just as fucked up and stupid as theirs!

Ive seen you post alot of good info. I think most bros are a little tweaked right now after seeing that video as am I.

Let me ask you this, " in you infinate wisdom...what do we do from here?" If we pull out we look like cowards and tuck tail and run which will be 10 times worse or better for them than when they sent the Russians packing. If we stay, our guys keep getting picked off but we have another strong base of operations.

Trust and believe after the 50 billion we spent on this deal so far that Bush will want it back with interest via Iraqi oil and rebuilding contracts.

The terrorists operate with impunity against us because we cant really blame a country. This measure has shown them different. Im not saying its the right thing to do and Im not saying it isnt. I havnt a clue but do we just sit back and take it in the ass from the Arabs. There are hundreds of factions waiting to take Osamas place and the only way to make them happy is if we boot the israelies out of the Gaza strip (which is not going to happen).



Pats

 

[Hogg]

Ive seen you post alot of good info.

He's a very bright fellow and a good friend. I'm very happy to see him participating on the board more often.

 

[PUMPED]

i rather see 5,000,000 innocent Iraqis die, then 1 innocent U.S. citizen or 1 U.S. soldier

Nuke them all

 

[sixfeetfour]

The terrorists operate with impunity against us because we cant really blame a country.

We can blame a country - and that country is Iran. They are the ones providing safe harbor to the terrorists, letting them train in their country, funneling money to them and lying to the USA about doing it. The border between Iran and Iraq is a terrorist highway.

I feel a big shitstorm coming on and I think if Bush wins the election in November we are going into Iran next. Either that or we are going to threaten those crazy mullahs running things over there that if they don't get their shit together and start handing over the terrorists they are hiding,then their fate will be the same as Saddam.

And if they keep denying and lying like Iran and Syria, we just keep bombing and shelling until they produce some terrorists. Tell them straight up - "You have 72 hours to get us some Tangos" Make them do something, give them a list and say "Hand them over - if you don't have them - find them." If they don't cooperate or get who we want, they will lose control of their country. No warnings or sanctions or empty threats. Just 72 hours of continous bombs. Then tell 'em they now have 48 hours...more bombs...then 24 hours...then level the place and remove the government. The leaders of these countries can turn terrorists over, they chose not to out of fear of losing power. We need to show them who to be more afraid of.

I know the USA is a civilized country, but damn, I think that is part of our problem. Its time to get nasty and rude, stop being a paper tiger and take care of our own. It is clear that our ememy understands violence of action, because that is what they terrorize us with. Time to turn the tables.

 

[Rod]

and for the love of god, if you cant see that the abombs on japan were acts of terrorism there is something wrong with you, yes, i acknowledge the attack on pearl harbour was terrible and underhanded, and over 3,000 people died but it was a military target. the citazens of japan did not deserve to be destroyed, tw o cities, 90% of which were civilians!!!!

Stevemac, my biggest problem with your calling the nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki acts of American terrorism is it ignores the historical context of how WWII was fought. The act of terror bombing of civilian targets was widely practiced by both sides. It began with the indiscriminant bombing of Warsaw and other Polish cities, followed by Rotterdam, Belgrade, and many British cities by the Germans. The British bombing of German population centers was born out of desperation. Churchill wrote a famous letter indicating that this was the only hope for stopping the overwhelming prospect of German domination. He considered German domination the ultimate catostrophe. He saw this as the only offensive available to the British. In hard times you are sometimes forced to make ugly choices. When the US finally joined the war we accepted this strategy of terror bombing. It was a standard mode of operation among the participants.

Now I want Turn to the situation in Japan, which our military leaders and politicians had to face. By the summer of 1945 no one in position of power in Japan believed victory was possible for Japan. The consensus among Japanese leaders of the time was that honor was more important than defeat. On June 6 1945 the Japanese Supreme council approved a document called fundamental policy to be followed henceforth in the conduct of the war. This provided for the use of 10,000 suicide planes, 2,350,000 troops to fight on the beeches, backed by 4,000,000 army and navy civil employees, and a civilian militia of 28,000,000. The Japanese Diet soon passed legislation to form this army.

American intelligence quickly became aware of the Japanese fight to the finish strategy. The American military commanders calculated from there experience in the mid-pacific Islands that American land invasion would cost the Americans about 1 million in casualties. It would also cost Japanese servicemen about 10 to 20 million.

Considering the human cost of a land invasion it seemed a rational and indeed humane solution to increase firepower by the development and use of the a-bomb in response to the irrational obstinacy of those in charge of Japans destiny. The nuclear bombings saved enormous American and Japanese lives by making it unnecessary for a mainland invasion.

Chris Gordon impressively hit the nail on the head: the atomic bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki were not in retaliation for anything...they were simply to avoid a mainland invasion of japan...which would have clamied so many more japanese civilians lives...im not condoning it by any means....but war is hell, and the japanese had the chance to surrender after the firstbomb, but choose not to....we gave them 9 days or so before the second one.

 

[Instock]

http://www.consumptionjunction.com/

the link is on the front page

You people who seek this kind of video out are fucked up and I will say no more on the subject. I will not watch this video period.