The Nad+ Burn

[Middus]

I'm trying to source all of this so I can test pH and maybe come up with a reliable formula. If lidocaine is needed, or just improves the process, why not, right?

Maybe you saw it, but Tracy made a post in the QSC thread about "Lipo C" coming up for sale (currently testing). Not shilling for him, but he listed the ingredients, one being lidocaine:

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So I imagine maybe it's possible to get these ingredients to work. But, at what mixture/concentration? Would these particular peptides degrade and/or aggregate?

Many People Sell Lipo C. Funny enough, It's very hard to test for the components. But the B12 in it works.

I add lido to many of my IM stuff except things with GABA. The NAD one confused me at first, but I guess it's that if the lido doesn't overwhelm the NAD, the acidic nature of lido itself will still make it sting.

 

[Middus]

I don’t have time to research more but it looks like several pharma brand hgh have recommendations to use sodium chloride for reconstitution.

For instance, Tev-Tropin by Kaiser Permanente (now discontinued) suggests sodium chloride in their drug insert and the drug came with sodium chloride for preparation. Under “How Supplied” section.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2014/019774s028lbl.pdf

Zomacton also comes with sodium chloride for reconstitution.

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My ai tells me Omnitrope’s insert recommends both sodium chloride and bac water for reconstitution, but I don’t have time to check the inserts right now but will later.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2006/021426lbl.pdf

I wouldn’t dismiss this out of hand without more research. I don’t think it’s pertinent to all peptides, but it sure seems applicable to some.

European pharma loves Sodium Chloride too

 

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I get the gluth from here. They have few different versions. Both with sodium bicarb buffer so no pip qfter injection. Shipping is also very fast. Typically 3 days.

 

[nullandvoid]

Been working down a collection of pre-drawn syringes of Glutathione (Liver Restore) from Amino Asylum. As sold, it has a very bad bite for me and leaves significant and lasting lumps. Got ahold of the sodium bicarb, and it's been a huge help. I ended up with a 1:1 ratio of AA's glutathione to sodium bicarbonate. I started with 2:1, and it still felt a little spicy. I will say that the bicarb seems a little reactive with the glutathione and had one syringe blow the plunger out the back until I learned to draw very slowly. With the 1:1 ratio, there is hardly any noticeable pain or irritation during and after the injection... and there are no more lumps.

 

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Finally finished out Amino's inelegant product.

Happy to report the Glutaone kit (x10 1200mg vials) I purchased from a Korean beauty site is pain-free. Though it doesn't say it anywhere on the listing, the vial does have text that translates it is "stabilized" with sodium bicarbonate. Way easier than adding it myself. I don't know how to calculate how much to reconstitute given a certain powder weight, but I reconstituted with 4ml and ended up with 4.69ml total. So 78 units a pop is 200mg.

 

[johnp76]

Finally finished out Amino's inelegant product.

Happy to report the Glutaone kit (x10 1200mg vials) I purchased from a Korean beauty site is pain-free. Though it doesn't say it anywhere on the listing, the vial does have text that translates it is "stabilized" with sodium bicarbonate. Way easier than adding it myself. I don't know how to calculate how much to reconstitute given a certain powder weight, but I reconstituted with 4ml and ended up with 4.69ml total. So 78 units a pop is 200mg.

i add 4ml of bac water. that gives me 300mg per ML

 

[fike]

Let me preface by saying I think I have a pretty high pain tolerance. I gave a natural birth after 3 days of labor, I have tattoos on my inner wrist and ribs(I fell asleep getting the tatt on my ribs). I used to be a cutter. Etc.

And I have to say this nad+ burn is annoying. Subq 50mg done in 25 units on 1ml syringe. Burning lasts a few hours and IS stays sore for about 2 days. No other reactions.

I know some people dilute it more, but here's my question.

Does diluting it more help more vs just diluting less and injecting smaller ?

Example if I double the bac water and inject 50units would that really hurt less than halving the bac water and doing a smaller quick dose of say 10 units or even 5 units?

It's not the ph of the bac water as I used the same water for other peps and zero burn.

I've found that IM injections are way more comfortable than Subq personally. May be worth a try for you. It still burns a bit, but I push it slowly and it's definitely tolerable.