THE new "Generic" HGH Assay PAGE! AAA testing

[Cpriest88]

@mands I'll update the spreadsheet... will also account for the 8iu Hyges and the other corrections you relayed to @Eman ...

since the mg to iu "conversion" is now omitted from the new batch of reports ... I'll go ahead and auto calculate ... using the community accepted 3.3333..mg = 10iu conversion rate ... will also unhide the column I had showing for Mg in the earlier layout of the spreadsheet

 

[Cpriest88]

Updated Spreadsheet : Generic HGH Assays

 

[G.I. Bro]

Updated Spreadsheet : Generic HGH Assays

Much appreciated there on the data summary, @Cpriest88.

Jim, Mands, I'm very impressed with your continued efforts on this testing project. Not sure how you're funding the testing, but I'd gladly donate to keep this going over time. Have you considered a donation page? Would be awesome to see a standard sample run with this second pass of tests and a few pharma samples for comparison.

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^

No bc there is no NEED!

This form of testing can be obtained by Googling; AMINO ACID ANALYSIS LABORATORIES

Scroll down until you reach the Science Exchange site whom have listed several labs to choose from.

I will admit since many of the objectives have already been achieved in short course Meso members AND UGL! will be in charge of their own testing.

 

[Buck1973]

@mands I'll update the spreadsheet... will also account for the 8iu Hyges and the other corrections you relayed to @Eman ...

since the mg to iu "conversion" is now omitted from the new batch of reports ... I'll go ahead and auto calculate ... using the community accepted 3.3333..mg = 10iu conversion rate ... will also unhide the column I had showing for Mg in the earlier layout of the spreadsheet

Mr. Cpriest88,
Mayb I missed it , srry if I did.
but what is the reasoning that you calculate @ 3.33 and the Lab report has their previous listed @ 3 Iu's P/Mg.?

My understanding; =
from IU'S to MGS. = number of IU'S X .333
from MGS. to IU'S = Number of MGS. X 3

• Determine the dosage of HGH in IU.
  
  
• Multiply the number of IU by 0.333, which is the number of mg in a single IU of HGH. The resulting product is the equivalent dosage in mg.
  
  
• Convert a quantity of HGH in mg back to IU by multiplying the number of mg by 3.
  

Ofcourse this is the U.S. Standard and things vary country to country slightly (2.7-3.6) IU's = 1 mg.


Peace

 

[Cpriest88]

Mr. Cpriest88,
Mayb I missed it , srry if I did.
but what is the reasoning that you calculate @ 3.33 and the Lab report has their previous listed @ 3 Iu's P/Mg.?

My understanding; =
from IU'S to MGS. = number of IU'S X .333
from MGS. to IU'S = Number of MGS. X 3

• Determine the dosage of HGH in IU.
  
  
• Multiply the number of IU by 0.333, which is the number of mg in a single IU of HGH. The resulting product is the equivalent dosage in mg.
  
  
• Convert a quantity of HGH in mg back to IU by multiplying the number of mg by 3.

Ofcourse this is the U.S. Standard and things vary country to country slightly (2.7-3.6) IU's = 1 mg.


Peace

My mistake ... that was a formula error on my part. I just corrected conversion which also led me to discover the WHO International Standard for Somatropin unitage :

"3.0 International units per mg Somaptropin"

And you do bring up a good point ... which may be a subject of contention moving forward ... including wether or not producers of "Generic" Somatropin adhere to any standard, use their own made up one or simply slap on 10iu as an after thought... Since the Mg is not advertised for many of these products it's a great way to short change the end user. A notable exception being Sciroxxx/Karl's Somastim product which advertises 6.7mg per vial.

 

[Cpriest88]

I also protected the cells that contain data as I noticed some changes by others that appeared inadvertent ... if any one else notices any discrepancies or errors... please bring it to my attention.

 

[saffire]

best testing page ever! planing to test more greys or blacktops? little bit dissapointed with greys

 

[heady muscle]

Hey guys,
Once again move the chatter to the other thread please. Let's keep this basic with most results by Jim and Mands.

 

[Dr JIM]

planing to test more greys or blacktops?

^^^^

No bc there is no NEED!

This form of testing can be obtained by Googling; AMINO ACID ANALYSIS LABORATORIES

Scroll down until you reach the Science Exchange site whom have listed several labs to choose from.

I will admit since many of the objectives have already been achieved in short course Meso members AND UGL! will be in charge of their own testing.

GOT IT !

 

[G.I. Bro]

So Jim and Mands, let me play devil's advocate one moment. I have no preference for any specific UGL GH brand. I just want legit shit cheap like everyone else.

It looks like all 3 of the most (imo) reliable brands (official grey tops, black (meditrope) and Karl's) were all underdosed in these results at roughly 20-25%. This was consistent on all greys and the orange tops (Karl). Then even the blacks which are always overfilled. Do both of you believe this is absolutely accurate? It seems an odd coincidence to me they all seem consistently short in the same amount. Would you at least entertain the slight possibility that the testing methodology/procedure used here could have resulted in this skewed result across the board? Or do you believe there's no chance of that and they all just happen to be short at roughly the same percentage? I find it a little bit interesting there is a consistent percentage underdose across multiple samples of the top brands. It's either a calculated decision by the producers or an anomaly in these results. I actually lean toward the later despite supporting the efforts and these tests 100%.

 

[Platinum Direct]

Lets wait and see what the pharm brands produce.... If they come in underdosed too well then.... I find it very ironic that most all samples tested are a percent or 2 off. Greys are made in a regulated GMP facility. I will wait to draw any conclusion to any of this til I see a pharm sample tested...

 

[Mr.B66]

Lets wait and see what the pharm brands produce.... If they come in underdosed too well then.... I find it very ironic that most all samples tested are a percent or 2 off. Greys are made in a regulated GMP facility. I will wait to draw any conclusion to any of this til I see a pharm sample tested...

I know for a fact that there is pharm grade (sero) being tested so we will deff have a pharm grade to generic comparison.

 

[BigAli]

Lets wait and see what the pharm brands produce.... If they come in underdosed too well then.... I find it very ironic that most all samples tested are a percent or 2 off. Greys are made in a regulated GMP facility. I will wait to draw any conclusion to any of this til I see a pharm sample tested...

PD Are you personally aware of the regulations that control and monitor those GMP facilities I assume in (China)?
Do they test, control and monitor the purity and strength of each BATCH? do you see my point here? We cannot trust the product just beacause you say they're being made in a regulated GMP facility in China. Are blacks being made in the SAME GMP facility? If yes, I'd like to know what GMP regulations will allow 25-50% overdose? LOL!!! Non..sense..

 

[BigAli]

Also it's interesting to me that some people just blindly like a post.. huh!

 

[Platinum Direct]

When we have 0 pharm samples to compare to well then...... Once I see a pharm sample tested then I will speak up more. Also the blacks are not made in same GMP facility as the greys to my knowledge. I find it very funny that all generics are a percent or 2 under what they are suppose to be. Plenty other tests have been done at others area on the web that would contradict these scores. So lets see a pharm sample tested please....

 

[Platinum Direct]

PD Are you personally aware of the regulations that control and monitor those GMP facilities I assume in (China)?
Do they test, control and monitor the purity and strength of each BATCH? do you see my point here? We cannot trust the product just beacause you say they're being made in a regulated GMP facility in China. Are blacks being made in the SAME GMP facility? If yes, I'd like to know what GMP regulations will allow 25-50% overdose? LOL!!! Non..sense..

Also the blacks are very carefully monitored each batch purity and strength and the numbers there are different then the test here. That's y something is up with these test. Lets see a pharm sample tested please.

 

[BigAli]

When we have 0 pharm samples to compare to well then...... Once I see a pharm sample tested then I will speak up more. Also the blacks are not made in same GMP facility as the greys to my knowledge. I find it very funny that all generics are a percent or 2 under what they are suppose to be. Plenty other tests have been done at others area on the web that would contradict these scores. So lets see a pharm sample tested please....

A percent or two? Oh you mean 25-30 percent? What areas on the web exactly?? You mean some of the sponsor forums??? LOL... don't even say that here. Those boards get paid to cheat and shit! This is the only forum that I'm part of you know why? Because here the source is GUILTY until it's being known as legit but many of the well known members here!
So the BLACKS are being made in ANOTHER GMP facility. Regardless of whatever the result of the pharm garde will be this is another matter that you should clarify. What GMP facility and what REGULATIONS? Well we dont expect them to be made in a GMP facility but when you say something prove it!!

I buy from you guys too but if you want our business No BS please.

Sorry guys i didnt want to reply to PD here but when you see something you should say someyhing!! PD if you wanna reply do it on the other thread!

 

[Platinum Direct]

Not getting in a pissing match. I just want to see a pharm sample tested and see if it comes out to what it is suppose to be. That will clarify a lot of things

 

[Dr JIM]

READ MY LIPS ONE MORE TIME YOU UGLS want testing do it yourself!

I'm done footing the bill, and taking the heat for "unexpected" or "unexplained" results GOT IT!