Marcus
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I think I'm confused by your wording. Are you a source or are you speaking for professional muscle as a whole? What do you mean "we" are just 1 customer?
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Sorry for the confusion I will xplain further.
A syndicate of members @ PM have been involved in many dif types of testin from simple Bld work to now laboratory testin.
In a effort to try and check the legitimacy of HGH and now AAS.
So We have 12 HGH tests comin up shortly Performed by this Lab with 2 dif. types of tests most on products aval. @ PM. we have done 20 or so AAS tests the same way....
janoshik
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Mr. Buck is the treasurer and main organizer of the testing over at PM.com - without him it would not be possible at all.
He, along with Mr. Racepicks, collected samples from random users, took any labeling off the vials and shipped them to me, labeled with only numbers.
He is definitely not a source nor soliciting anything and his integrity cannot be questioned.
He just meant that along with this, let's say huge, project he is sure that I have a lot of other customers - which I do. That was in reaction to accusation that I'm in such a dire need for business that I came here to solicit it here.
janoshik
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The results are not complete yet, still working on it.
Marcus
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I meant when they are done. I figured it's still being tested
janoshik
Subscriber
I don't think those will be posted anywhere but on ProfessionalMuscle.com (as only members from over there donated to make that possible).
I have no say in this - the results are owned with all rights by the party which paid for them, except special cases [like source paying for his, let's say disputed product being tested by his customer - in that case even though source paid, it's both the customer and the source who will get the results and nor source nor customer can decide to not give the other party access to data etc].
However it's free to see the results over there once they are up.
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No Sir, Cannot do. They are and will always b the property Of PM we agree to this in the beginnin. the trade was all results are to b posted regardless of results...
The Administrator takes copyright breaches very seriously.
I would not be the one postin results anywhere not approved.
How ever all it takes is to sign up and have I think 50 quality posts and you can view and comment.
I am Not pushin anyone or doin a commercial for PM or anyone eles.
Its just very good knowledge and beneficial to have as much info as you can on HGH should you b a user...
Marcus
New Member
I understand... no problem. I'm a member there but i don't think I've ever actually posted. Might have to start
Doug_S
Member
Are you really seeking to obtain Level 3 or 4 data, or are just doing screening?
Have you established data quality objectives for precision and accuracy? Are you running duplicates and splits. Matrix spikes and matrix spikes duplicates as well as laboratory spikes?
Are you accredited? So you do level 2a or even better 2b data validation?
I am no protein chemist but chemical data is more or less my job. A lot goes into defensible data. I understand that there is a limit ( I man these are black market substances) but I think at a minimum you need to prove DQO within 30% and duplicates are a must at about ten percent. Splits at 5 % is even better.
Eman
Master
The administrator takes a lot of things seriously over there... Censoring, making money pushing products, etc.
Providing 50 quality posts on PM sounds dreadful... I never stick around long on there, concerned the 54,876 advertisements will give me a seizure.
janoshik
Subscriber
I have no idea what you mean by levels, Sir and I am generally unfamiliar with the terms you've used - esp. in English.
I've tested multiplicates of samples and standard, accounted for drift etc.
Standards were tested in bracket method. 6 point calibration curve.
No idea what you mean by splits, please, elaborate.
Matrix spikes make absolutely no sense in a scenario, where the matrix is extremely simple - do you not think so?
On a quick glance the difference between duplicates is 0.5% tops. Didn't have yet the time to bite through all the raw data.
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Doug_S
Member
Splits = sending duplicate to another lab for a double check. Results are expected to be with 30% of each other or you may have a data problem.
Level 3 data here has had sufficient Quality Assurance as to be true decision-making data.
No Worries my friend.
If you dont want to b there trust me we dont want ya there.
any amount of quality posts for some can b difficult...
Eman
Master
I stop in from time to time, usually leave with a bad taste.
Not really trying to knock your board either, it's not as bad as I might be sounding like I'm making it out to be... But, there's some shady shit that goes on over there that does not serve to protect or help members, it helps admins wallet.
janoshik
Subscriber
Oh, we call it different way here (and I'd translate it differently) so it had not occurred to me.
Splits were used for previous round of testing - results were well within 10%, 5% most of the time. Decided to not use any external service this time.
I'm not a data scientist and I have no problem admitting I'm kinda lost there - I have no idea about English terminology, so please go slow on me. I'm no expert in all fields.
What things I done to ensure the data are correct - if I have missed something important, please, let me know, I'll be only happy to improve my services in the future:
6 point calibration curve of certified reference standard was established, almost perfectly linear,
bracket method of testing standard (establishing calibration curve before and after the unknowns were tested),
sample of known concentration tested along with unknowns [result was within 1% of real content(!)],
triplicates of each sample were tested [I think the RSD was on average not over 1%],
noise and drift were controlled according to ASTM standards,
standard and samples were tested immediately after preparation for quantitation,
orthogonal methods of quantitation were used
I might've forgotten to write down something, but any input is appreciated.
Doug_S
Member
That looks REALLY good. Data without Quality Assurance is not useless, but it cannot be quantified.
Might I see some of your validation?
janoshik
Subscriber
What exactly would you like to see, Sir?
Doug_S
Member
I would love to see your duplicate and split sample QC. Essentially to look at precision and accuracy
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