The Passion of The Christ

[garyzilla]

No offense Garyzilla because you are obviously a man of God, but you might want to edit your posts for clarity before submitting them.

Will do! My brain works faster than I type.

 

[manfreakca]

Hi Bros,well me and my fiancee went to see the movie first nite.And i must say Mel made a brilliant picture.My congrates go out to Mel and the actors for putting there heart and soul in to it.The movie had me glued to my seat the whole time.And there was a big applause after the movie ended.It is a very emotinal and powerfull movie.I did not find one flaw in this movie from scene to scene.I see this movie as the whole human race crucified jesus all of us crucified him,not just the jews in this movie.It shows how much jesus loves mankind to be put through this kind of brutality,pain and mohcary i think that how u spell it.And to be fianally nailed with spikes to a cross is unimaginible.Some strong points in the movie are..when the first rain drop lands and everything shakes and splits.The crow poking out the eyes of the non believer.Were the camera goes to his teaching and back the movie.The put on the thorns on his head with sticks and the blood dripping after wards.I was wondring to myself how is mel going to end this movie.And there he did great again,with a healthy looking jesus getting up from the tomb and showing the spike scars on his hands.I get shivers just writing this bros.Again what a excellent movie.My hats of to Mel the cast and crew for making such a great movie.GOD BLESS YOU ALL....NO MAN HAS SHOWN GREATER LOVE..... THAN TO LAY HIS LIFE DOWN FOR HIS FRIENDS.

 

[garyzilla]

Hi Bros,well me and my fiancee went to see the movie first nite.And i must say Mel made a brilliant picture.My congrates go out to Mel and the actors for putting there heart and soul in to it.The movie had me glued to my seat the whole time.And there was a big applause after the movie ended.It is a very emotinal and powerfull movie.I did not find one flaw in this movie from scene to scene.I see this movie as the whole human race crucified jesus all of us crucified him,not just the jews in this movie.It shows how much jesus loves mankind to be put through this kind of brutality,pain and mohcary i think that how u spell it.And to be fianally nailed with spikes to a cross is unimaginible.Some strong points in the movie are..when the first rain drop lands and everything shakes and splits.The crow poking out the eyes of the non believer.Were the camera goes to his teaching and back the movie.The put on the thorns on his head with sticks and the blood dripping after wards.I was wondring to myself how is mel going to end this movie.And there he did great again,with a healthy looking jesus getting up from the tomb and showing the spike scars on his hands.I get shivers just writing this bros.Again what a excellent movie.My hats of to Mel the cast and crew for making such a great movie.GOD BLESS YOU ALL....NO MAN HAS SHOWN GREATER LOVE..... THAN TO LAY HIS LIFE DOWN FOR HIS FRIENDS.

Thanks for the post. I thought Mel did a great job as well!

 

[oldtimer]

I have a couple of Qs for everyone, and I hope no one takes it the wrong way; Im just trying to start an intelligent conversation.

You guys say that Jesus was crucified; some say he was God, and some say he was the son of God. My 1st Q is this: if he was the son of God, why would God let his own son be killed in such a brutal way to wash away someone else's sin?, i mean, since the beginning of mankind, we know how people get punished badly by God if they mistreat one of his messengers (not saying Jesus was "just" a messenger, but he had a message to carry right?). For example, look at the story of Moses, the story of Lut, the story of David, and the list goes on...

If Jesus was indeed God, why would God sacrifice himself for his own creation?, i mean, does it make sense that you build a car and kill yourself so the car becomes better?, wouldn't it be more logical if you just scraped that mal-car and built a newer/better one?

I have my own beliefs in this matter (I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus was not crucified, he's still alive up in the heavens, and that he'll come and save this earth at the end of time...)

Tell me what you think

-OT

 

[Grizzly]

Technically, Christians believe the same thing about Jesus being alive in the heavans.

I agree with your other assertions, too, but that's just because I believe it's all balderdash. Of course, I'm also a hell-bound heathen.

 

[Hogg]

I am gald to see that you are on a journey. At least you have given some thought and study into religion, for that I commend you. Your right in saying that countless atrocites have been committed in the name of religion. That I guess is where I draw the line. I see what I do much more than a religion, but a relationship with Chirst. People who hide behind the mask of religion to commit these horrible atrocites, I would say are not real Christians.

A church is not a building, the church are the people inside the building. The chruch can meet wherever they want to meet. The point is they meet at a regular time. For someone to say they hate the church (Which you never said you did Hogg) is to say you hate the people, for the church is/are the people. I think that if you came to the church that I pastor you would be very suprized. I think sometimes modernism gets in the way of the truth. If we cannot prove it in the lab of science then it must be faults.

I acknowledge the fact that there are congregations where the pastor or minister truly believes in spreading the word and I have great admiration for these self-less men who seek to spread the Word. However, out here in orange county, essentially the bible belt of the west coast, there are too many ivory palaces run by power mongers who hide behind the tax structure of the church.

I could speak at length about my feelings regarding promise keepers, calvary chapel, and the roman catholic church but I believe that the words are better left unspoken for sake of not sparking an inferno.

 

[Hogg]

We saw 'Passion' tonight.

Ms. Hogg was in tears throughout the movie, she's in the living room right now flipping through her Bible and quite honestly, I am not pleased that we went to see this movie.

We recently watched 'The Gospel of John' on DVD and I felt that the movie was much better than 'Passion' as it portrayed Christ as a teacher, as a savior, and essentially the loving Father of his children.

Passion was a Hollywood-contrived fixation on the brutality enacted upon Christ and not much more. I walked away from the movie wondering what someone who had not read the bible would garner from the movie. There was no dialog during the scene where he prevented the stoning of the adultress....no one would understand why she was to be stoned nor how Christ forgave her sins and changed her life.......They briefly touched on his washing of the disciples feet yet I feel that most of Christ's message to his disciples and to his people was left out.....rather, the movie was about brutality....essentially the Jews and a number of romans beating Christ mercilessly.

The film was rather horrific. I cant say that I've watched a combat flic with as much gore nor for that matter most horror movies.

I'm waiting for some dumbass redneck to make the 6 oclock news after being arrested for transgressing against jews as a result of watching this movie.....I'd be willing to bet a dollar that this movie will be the center of much controversy in weeks to come.

 

[oldtimer]

I acknowledge the fact that there are congregations where the pastor or minister truly believes in spreading the word and I have great admiration for these self-less men who seek to spread the Word. However, out here in orange county, essentially the bible belt of the west coast, there are too many ivory palaces run by power mongers who hide behind the tax structure of the church.

I could speak at length about my feelings regarding promise keepers, calvary chapel, and the roman catholic church but I believe that the words are better left unspoken for sake of not sparking an inferno.

Dude your PM box is full, the house needs some cleaning .

-OT

 

[bustafood]

where in Orange County do you live Hogg? I'm in Laguna Niguel

 

[Sandman]

I went and seen it wednesday and saturday night!! Amazing movie!!!

 

[garyzilla]

I acknowledge the fact that there are congregations where the pastor or minister truly believes in spreading the word and I have great admiration for these self-less men who seek to spread the Word. However, out here in orange county, essentially the bible belt of the west coast, there are too many ivory palaces run by power mongers who hide behind the tax structure of the church.

I could speak at length about my feelings regarding promise keepers, calvary chapel, and the roman catholic church but I believe that the words are better left unspoken for sake of not sparking an inferno.

Hogg believe it or not, I am in agreement with you. I feel the same way about pastors and churches that are big bussiness and only want to get rich. My fear is that there are people you think just like you and I, and will never set foot in a church because they feel all churches are the same. By the way, there is a church in Orange County that I know is not like the others. It is called Saddleback Community Church, and the pastor is Rick Warren.

 

[garyzilla]

Ms. Hogg was in tears throughout the movie, she's in the living room right now flipping through her Bible and quite honestly, I am not pleased that we went to see this movie.

We recently watched 'The Gospel of John' on DVD and I felt that the movie was much better than 'Passion' as it portrayed Christ as a teacher, as a savior, and essentially the loving Father of his children.

Passion was a Hollywood-contrived fixation on the brutality enacted upon Christ and not much more. I walked away from the movie wondering what someone who had not read the bible would garner from the movie. There was no dialog during the scene where he prevented the stoning of the adultress....no one would understand why she was to be stoned nor how Christ forgave her sins and changed her life.......They briefly touched on his washing of the disciples feet yet I feel that most of Christ's message to his disciples and to his people was left out.....rather, the movie was about brutality....essentially the Jews and a number of romans beating Christ mercilessly.

The film was rather horrific. I cant say that I've watched a combat flic with as much gore nor for that matter most horror movies.

I'm waiting for some dumbass redneck to make the 6 oclock news after being arrested for transgressing against jews as a result of watching this movie.....I'd be willing to bet a dollar that this movie will be the center of much controversy in weeks to come.

I am sad to see that you did not like the movie, but I think that you missed the point of the movie. The movie was of the last twelve hours of the life of Chirst, and that is it. If you where expecting to see the whole life of Chrst, you will be greatly disappointed. None of those events that you wanted to see happen in the last twelve hours. The point was to show really what Christ went through on the way to the cross, and on the cross. For me I will not look at the last twelve hours the same again.

 

[stevemac]

I have a couple of Qs for everyone, and I hope no one takes it the wrong way; Im just trying to start an intelligent conversation.

You guys say that Jesus was crucified; some say he was God, and some say he was the son of God. My 1st Q is this: if he was the son of God, why would God let his own son be killed in such a brutal way to wash away someone else's sin?, i mean, since the beginning of mankind, we know how people get punished badly by God if they mistreat one of his messengers (not saying Jesus was "just" a messenger, but he had a message to carry right?). For example, look at the story of Moses, the story of Lut, the story of David, and the list goes on...

If Jesus was indeed God, why would God sacrifice himself for his own creation?, i mean, does it make sense that you build a car and kill yourself so the car becomes better?, wouldn't it be more logical if you just scraped that mal-car and built a newer/better one?

I have my own beliefs in this matter (I believe that Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus was not crucified, he's still alive up in the heavens, and that he'll come and save this earth at the end of time...)

Tell me what you think

-OT

see, this could be talked about all day. To say jesus was not crucified would mean that the gospel is a lie. If the gospel were built of lies then jesus is not who he says he is. And yes, jesus is the son of god, and God loved the world so much as to sacrifice his only son. This was going to happen since genesis. To compare people to broken down cars really misses the point all together, jesus conquered death. he returned from the dead, he didnt just die on the cross. Christians believe we will all be resurrectred also, and moses spoke of jesus. "one day a new convenant will come where the laws are written on our hearts and not in stone" jesus is the new covenant. It's not feasable to try and understand God with human emotions or reasoning, he is not human. most human feelings come from evil, God does not get these feelings.

As for you Hogg, I see your point. It was a brutal movie. but the only thing hollywood about was gibson, because it was an idependant film and not controlled by studio. But you could make 1000 movies on jesus and they will all be different. This moviee focused on the price jesus paid for our sins. the gospel of john focused on his teaching and life. I have yet to see this film though. It's all really subjective to the eyes of the beholder.

 

[Peace Division]

see, this could be talked about all day. To say jesus was not crucified would mean that the gospel is a lie. If the gospel were built of lies then jesus is not who he says he is. And yes, jesus is the son of god, and God loved the world so much as to sacrifice his only son. This was going to happen since genesis. To compare people to broken down cars really misses the point all together, jesus conquered death. he returned from the dead, he didnt just die on the cross. Christians believe we will all be resurrectred also, and moses spoke of jesus. "one day a new convenant will come where the laws are written on our hearts and not in stone" jesus is the new covenant. It's not feasable to try and understand God with human emotions or reasoning, he is not human. most human feelings come from evil, God does not get these feelings.

I agree with Stevemac and will add that to say that Jesus' Resurrection made His death moot, is really missing the point. His death replaced the libations and such that Jews presented to God for the cleansing of their sins. By accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior, your sins are forgiven.

His Resurrection proves what Jesus said, that He would rise in 3 days, and shows people that there is and will be life after death. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and have eternal life in Heaven or do not accept Him and have eternal life in Hell. Also, His Resurrection is symbolic of accepting Him as Lord and Savior and "being born-again."

 

[Southernjuice]

I agree with Stevemac and will add that to say that Jesus' Resurrection made His death moot, is really missing the point. His death replaced the libations and such that Jews presented to God for the cleansing of their sins. By accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior, your sins are forgiven.

His Resurrection proves what Jesus said, that He would rise in 3 days, and shows people that there is and will be life after death. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and have eternal life in Heaven or do not accept Him and have eternal life in Hell. Also, His Resurrection is symbolic of accepting Him as Lord and Savior and "being born-again."

His ressurection was the final blow to satin and was neccessary.

 

[eleven11]

On a side note:

Andy Rooney said he wouldnt not go see the Passions because "he wouldnt spend 9 dollars for just a few laughs..."

I am sorry, but if a Christian had said that about Shindler's List, they would have been fired the next day!

[MK]

That is 100% true. But thats because we know who runs Hollywood.........11

 

[Rod]

"Of course, I'm also a hell-bound heathen."

Grizzly, you are not a hell bound heathen. You are a sophisticated realist who can see beyond the popular myths that the rest of humanity must use to escape from grim reality.

 

[Phreezer]

Hogg believe it or not, I am in agreement with you. I feel the same way about pastors and churches that are big bussiness and only want to get rich. My fear is that there are people you think just like you and I, and will never set foot in a church because they feel all churches are the same. By the way, there is a church in Orange County that I know is not like the others. It is called Saddleback Community Church, and the pastor is Rick Warren.

I know of saddleback church.. and I recently read "A purpose driven Life" by Rick Warren.. Very good book ... I honestly feel that book helped my faith a great deal.

 

[Hogg]

I am sad to see that you did not like the movie, but I think that you missed the point of the movie. The movie was of the last twelve hours of the life of Chirst, and that is it. If you where expecting to see the whole life of Chrst, you will be greatly disappointed. None of those events that you wanted to see happen in the last twelve hours. The point was to show really what Christ went through on the way to the cross, and on the cross. For me I will not look at the last twelve hours the same again.

I walked into the movie theater never having read a review or a plot and thus had no idea what to expect. The combination of gore, the dolby sound system cranked up, and Ms Hogg balling her eyes out had me in a rather melancholy state within the first hour.

 

[garyzilla]

I know of saddleback church.. and I recently read "A purpose driven Life" by Rick Warren.. Very good book ... I honestly feel that book helped my faith a great deal.

I have read the book also! What an amazing book, and made think a lot about how I view myself!