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I make recommendations to medical professionals based upon the latest research in autism and ever evolving field of genetic research. I deal with about 20-30 snps associated with autism or related disease. One could.look at as genetic counseling, its really correcting specific identifying pre existing snps

You know HAN, you are really playing with fire here.

I genuwinely like you as a person but I just dont understand how you can legitimately speak about areas you have not studied INDEPTH. And I am not talking about picking up a few books here and there. I am talking about a full fledged degree in that field with peer reviewed articles and evidence and support for your findings.

There is a reason that process exists. It is to prevent MASSIVE fuckups from happening to patients and people who put their faith in the people who advise them.
 
You know HAN, you are really playing with fire here.

I genuwinely like you as a person but I just dont understand how you can legitimately speak about areas you have not studied INDEPTH. And I am not talking about picking up a few books here and there. I am talking about a full fledged degree in that field with peer reviewed articles and evidence and support for your findings.

There is a reason that process exists. It is to prevent MASSIVE fuckups from happening to patients and people who put their faith in the people who advise them.
When at conference, when I speak Dr's do listen. After the conference, I am approach by several different Dr's we exchange card keep in contact build a good relationship then Dr refers case for further evaluation.


The major screw ups are coming from Dr's who are not dealing with issue properly from the start many of which you are dealing with here on a daily basis. Trust me I am under close supervision by the medical professionals since they are the ones who are over seeing the protocols designed Once you create a working relationship with Dr's, they are more open to cutting edge information. The research we are learning is not being taught in medical school and most Dr's have never heard of MTHFR, but guess what they now are as I have ever medical professional testing for it. When properly addressed people are coming off anti depressants (under supervision of medical professional) , resolving long standing CFS/ FM, helped my brother with MS, and especially kids with autism. Dr shippen is just scraping the surface of this , but having mutual patients with a Dr O we are bringing it to his attention at a deeper level. He has curiosity was aroused about our approach which was very likes. We have making small gains in finasteride cases because of it. I do understand your concern, but if you do not push the envelope advancements will not be made in medicine. I am one to push those envelopes while being properly monitered by medical professionals. This is how you make advancements in modern medicine. The results I seen far out way the risk involved. Crisler idea of HCG at first was probably not to well accepted in the endocrine society, but after many years its now main stream . Kudos for him for having the balls to push things to the next level which he still is doing challenging modern science and his peers. Medicine should be about progression not regression. I am working with pediatricians, psyhcologist, psychiatrist, DO, MD, neurologist, DAN Dr's, ND's Sports medicine Dr's they all run a tight shift. One must built a trusting relationship with them so they are not afraid to push the envelope. The results in these cases have been life changing for many. I met these medical professionals at medical seminars or conference which I attend. When you enter in the medical community you reputations will carry you. All of the medical professionals could care less about my credentials or what piece of paper I have. Its the facts is they see I deliver results to their patients. I have been in contact with one of sports medicine Drs who works on philadelphia sports team. We had a meeting. He wants me to help run the integrative medicine center. I was up front about my education. " I could careless, its what you know which is valuable to me. I saw how you helped my friend where no one else could. thats all that matters" He replied.

This did not happen over night but took years of networking, researching, and being at the right place at right time. One builds their reputation which takes years, took me over 7 years to work my way to the level I have gotten. Over past year I have built a virtually network of medical professionals from around the world to where we work together to resolve issues. This is what being a health professional is truly about learning, educating and helping people get well.
 
Too bad you didn't want to put in the hard work and actually get some legitimate credentials. You know, like every other legitimate healthcare practitioner. Notice how instead of defending himself, he just goes right back into shameless self promotion instead. You don't have to be a genius to see what's going on. I just hope nobody ends up seriously sick or dead following your advice, because then you'll quickly be up shits creek.


it is awesome that you're able to pay off your mortgage peddling your 180$/hour consultations, so kudos to you there.
 
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It's not "cutting edge" or "pushing the envelope"....it's human experimentation.

Like it or not research in medicine while not perfect is (or should be) a very logical, controlled, carefully executed vetting of what ever is being studied. Yes it's slow. Yes it's imperfect. Yes it saves people from getting hurt or killed much more than it doesn't.

HAN you are experimenting on people...that's it. If you want to help the world and not just your wallet why not publish your "clinical experimentation"? The world would love to know about these amazing outcomes. Even a case study even though it's the worst evidence in the world to make clinical decisions on is something.

I suspect the answer to that is you have no idea where to start. You have no desire to share anything that doesn't benefit you directly. The doctors you supposedly work with wouldn't put their names on a paper with you.

You remind me of a sales rep. No education or knowledge in the field outside of what the marketing department has put together but you're out there peddling the next big thing without any idea what it all really means because you get a commission.
 
All of the medical professionals could care less about my credentials or what piece of paper I have. Its the facts is they see I deliver results to their patients. I have been in contact with one of sports medicine Drs who works on philadelphia sports team. We had a meeting. He wants me to help run the integrative medicine center. I was up front about my education. " I could careless, its what you know which is valuable to me. I saw how you helped my friend where no one else could. thats all that matters" He replied.

This did not happen over night but took years of networking, researching, and being at the right place at right time. One builds their reputation which takes years, took me over 7 years to work my way to the level I have gotten. Over past year I have built a virtually network of medical professionals from around the world to where we work together to resolve issues. This is what being a health professional is truly about learning, educating and helping people get well.

I don't doubt you have great networking skills. But what are you going to do when you fuck up? When you make recommendations that fuck someone up?

You don't have the knowledge about the nuts and bolts of the science behind what you are recommending!!!! It's like if I knew nothing about rocket science but I figured out that if I put the levers in a certain alignment the rocket ship will work. What if one day I tried that and smoke started coming out of the engine? Well, i'm fucked because I dont know anything about rocket science.

Endocrinology is a complex field. You are only scratching the surface with what you know. And if medical professionals say "i dont care about your credentials" then shame on them.

The point is, you are fine until you fuck up. Then you are fucked because you dont have the credentials to back up your recommendations. You cannot say: "Well, I networked with alot of doctors who blindly trusted in me and then I made a bad recommendation and this patient died or became very ill"

People will take you to town.

The fact is, if you really want to be a credible authority on a subject you need to build an expertise in that area. That INCLUDES the foundational bullshit that you seem to be too lazy or "can't be bothered" to learn. That means going to a college or university and learning this shit on a foundational level AND working with doctors and medical professionals while you do that. Yeah the science is BORING but it's like building a house without the foundation. The house is gonna collapse if the foundation isn't there.

The moment you fuckup, your credibility goes out the window because you are essentially "trial and error" on people which is ok MAYBE in a clinical study where you get paid to be a human guniea pig, but otherwise it's not ok.

Your recommendations need to come from a place of knowledge and deep understanding and not just your own personal experiences.
 
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Although this is harsh it is true.

Until you have published a paper on your findings which has been peer reviewed by these medical professionals who seem to like what you say, your recommendations are something that I (or anyone on this forum) could make.

It's not "cutting edge" or "pushing the envelope"....it's human experimentation.

Like it or not research in medicine while not perfect is (or should be) a very logical, controlled, carefully executed vetting of what ever is being studied. Yes it's slow. Yes it's imperfect. Yes it saves people from getting hurt or killed much more than it doesn't.

HAN you are experimenting on people...that's it. If you want to help the world and not just your wallet why not publish your "clinical experimentation"? The world would love to know about these amazing outcomes. Even a case study even though it's the worst evidence in the world to make clinical decisions on is something.

I suspect the answer to that is you have no idea where to start. You have no desire to share anything that doesn't benefit you directly. The doctors you supposedly work with wouldn't put their names on a paper with you.

You remind me of a sales rep. No education or knowledge in the field outside of what the marketing department has put together but you're out there peddling the next big thing without any idea what it all really means because you get a commission.
 
Oh come on... HAN's a good boy. We need our resident nuts right. After all, if you guys run him off you might target my BS next.... LOL:D
 
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I have been looking into this for quite awhile and even have subject. I have some medical professional in mind to accomplish this. It has nothing to do with.not.putting name.on paper its time needed to complete it.
 
You know HAN, you are really playing with fire here.

I genuwinely like you as a person but I just dont understand how you can legitimately speak about areas you have not studied INDEPTH. And I am not talking about picking up a few books here and there. I am talking about a full fledged degree in that field with peer reviewed articles and evidence and support for your findings.

There is a reason that process exists. It is to prevent MASSIVE fuckups from happening to patients and people who put their faith in the people who advise them.

it can also prevent massive leaps in advancement. What field are you talking about? medicine?

Medicine is a practice itself, so it is trial an error. Im not saying that having a way to certify people in the field they work in is not important, but to imply HAN doesn't know what he is talking about cause he doesn't have one, is idiotic.

These statements you are making are about as general as they can be, maybe an attempt to draw away from the fact the maybe HAN does know what he is talking about, and you don't.
 
Too bad you didn't want to put in the hard work and actually get some legitimate credentials. You know, like every other legitimate healthcare practitioner. Notice how instead of defending himself, he just goes right back into shameless self promotion instead. You don't have to be a genius to see what's going on. I just hope nobody ends up seriously sick or dead following your advice, because then you'll quickly be up shits creek.


it is awesome that you're able to pay off your mortgage peddling your 180$/hour consultations, so kudos to you there.

Did you ever hear this story? The entire thing was put together by a guy who knew nothing about being a doctor............................

Chain 124, as it was labeled by the nonprofit National Kidney Registry, required lock-step coordination over four months among 17 hospitals in 11 states. It was born of innovations in computer matching, surgical technique and organ shipping, as well as the determination of a Long Island businessman named Garet Hil, who was inspired by his own daughter’s illness to supercharge the notion of “paying it forward.”

Dr. Robert A. Montgomery, a pioneering transplant surgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital, which was not involved in the chain, called it a “momentous feat” that demonstrated the potential for kidney exchanges to transform the field. “We are realizing the dream of extending the miracle of transplantation to thousands of additional patients each year,” he said.

The chain began with an algorithm and an altruist. Over the months it fractured time and again, suspending the fates of those down the line until Mr. Hil could repair the breach. Eventually, he succeeded in finding needle-in-a-haystack matches for patients whose antibodies would have caused them to reject organs from most donors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/health/lives-forever-linked-through-kidney-transplant-chain-124.html?pagewanted=all

maybe we should have told Hil to stay out of the picture, to let the "medical professionals with credentials" handle things................ his daughter would be dead right now if he listened to the doomsdayer's like yourself. :eek:
 
I don't doubt you have great networking skills. But what are you going to do when you fuck up? When you make recommendations that fuck someone up?

You don't have the knowledge about the nuts and bolts of the science behind what you are recommending!!!! It's like if I knew nothing about rocket science but I figured out that if I put the levers in a certain alignment the rocket ship will work. What if one day I tried that and smoke started coming out of the engine? Well, i'm fucked because I dont know anything about rocket science.

Endocrinology is a complex field. You are only scratching the surface with what you know. And if medical professionals say "i dont care about your credentials" then shame on them.

The point is, you are fine until you fuck up. Then you are fucked because you dont have the credentials to back up your recommendations. You cannot say: "Well, I networked with alot of doctors who blindly trusted in me and then I made a bad recommendation and this patient died or became very ill"

People will take you to town.

The fact is, if you really want to be a credible authority on a subject you need to build an expertise in that area. That INCLUDES the foundational bullshit that you seem to be too lazy or "can't be bothered" to learn. That means going to a college or university and learning this shit on a foundational level AND working with doctors and medical professionals while you do that. Yeah the science is BORING but it's like building a house without the foundation. The house is gonna collapse if the foundation isn't there.

The moment you fuckup, your credibility goes out the window because you are essentially "trial and error" on people which is ok MAYBE in a clinical study where you get paid to be a human guniea pig, but otherwise it's not ok.

Your recommendations need to come from a place of knowledge and deep understanding and not just your own personal experiences.

TRT is extremely safe in comparison to other treatments, its not like hans is advising people on how to do heart transplants, You are way out of line with these comments and couldn't be further from the truth in the real world.

Please tell what exactly he is going to " fuck up" ? no one has ever died from TRT, ever.

TRT is something that is trial and error, if you don't know that then you must still be new to it.
 
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it can also prevent massive leaps in advancement. What field are you talking about? medicine?

Medicine is a practice itself, so it is trial an error. Im not saying that having a way to certify people in the field they work in is not important, but to imply HAN doesn't know what he is talking about cause he doesn't have one, is idiotic.

These statements you are making are about as general as they can be, maybe an attempt to draw away from the fact the maybe HAN does know what he is talking about, and you don't.

Ok dude. Go ahead and allow HAN to experiment on you via trial and error.

Have fun!!!
 
TRT is extremely safe in comparison to other treatments, its not like hans is advising people on how to do heart transplants, You are way out of line with these comments and couldn't be further from the truth in the real world.

Please tell what exactly he is going to " fuck up" ? no one has ever died from TRT, ever.

Heart transplants are simple. I think you meant brain surgery.

The fact remains that he doesnt have the qualifications to CHARGE PEOPLE MONEY to advise them!!!!!

If you want to be his fanboy, cool. But calling me an "idiot" just makes you seem low rent.
 
Ok dude. Go ahead and allow HAN to experiment on you via trial and error.

Have fun!!!

I experiment on myself. Don't need HAN to do that, and I have yet to meet a doctor that can even have a conversation about hormones with me, in the real world. So why in the hell would I listen to them? Cause they have a piece of paper?
 
Heart transplants are simple. I think you meant brain surgery.

The fact remains that he doesnt have the qualifications to CHARGE PEOPLE MONEY to advise them!!!!!

If you want to be his fanboy, cool. But calling me an "idiot" just makes you seem low rent.

actually your comprehension skills are "low rent" otherwise you would realize the notion is what was idiotic...........................

Im not anyones fanboy, but the stuff your posting reeks of immaturity in the HRT game.

This is America buddy, you can charge anyone any amount for your time.
 
TRT is extremely safe in comparison to other treatments, its not like hans is advising people on how to do heart transplants, You are way out of line with these comments and couldn't be further from the truth in the real world.

Please tell what exactly he is going to " fuck up" ? no one has ever died from TRT, ever.

TRT is something that is trial and error, if you don't know that then you must still be new to it.


I believe he was referring to HANS being a genetic counselor. Although when I was going to him and Dr O for TRT he came across as a consummate BS artist.

Why not ask him just who was writing the script for the drugs he was prescribing - maybe it was HANS - maybe it was Dr O.
 
You think most doctors know how to treat TRT? How come i know mny that have paid large sums of money to consulting firms to bring TRT to their practice, or other specialties.........
 
I believe he was referring to HANS being a genetic counselor. Although when I was going to him and Dr O for TRT he came across as a consummate BS artist.

Why not ask him just who was writing the script for the drugs he was prescribing - maybe it was HANS - maybe it was Dr O.

That I don't know and honestly Victor it really doesn't matter to me, as I said before TRT is not this scary treatment that can get "fucked up" its merely supplementation, its far more dangerous to go to your local GNC and supplement than it is to your local testosterone bottle.

Im not saying that a Dr shouldn't sign off on everything, cause they should, but what does that really mean anyway? once the relationship is formed I'm sure he doesn't even look at the file anymore.
 

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