Think I might be on the unwanted path of developing diabetes at 50.

[RoidmeDangerfield]

Hey, all.

Been a while since I posted. Been super busy with life, my work, fixing up my one year old home and making time to go to the gym. I'm creating this thread to see if others out there have developed type 2 diabetes and if so how are you dealing with it? I also wanted to share my labs and get some input on whether or not I should be worried.

My past several AIC test results:



I am getting concerned because as you can see in the chart above, my testing history is showing a gradual increase. My last test shows I'm at 5.4 which means I'm creeping toward pre-diabetes (5.7 to 6.4).

I also had my glucose blood serum levels checked and it was 116. However, I did have a protein drink about twenty minutes before they drew my blood. But that's because you're not required to fast before an AIC test and I was hungry. I had a Premier protein drink on the way to the labs. But the drink I had only has 4g of carbs and only 1g of sugar per serving. So I'm a bit confused if that had much effect at all on my glucose levels.

I read that after two hours of eating your glucose levels should be under 100. I bought one of those glucose testing kits from Walgreens and have been testing myself periodically at home. I seem to always be around 110-116 throughout the day, even after two hours of no food. Even after a full night's rest I take my glucose reading at it's 116, give or take. Only rarely have I tested at around 88.

Has anyone gone through something similar and developed diabetes? Or were you able to halt and reverse the situation?

I'm very good at eating well. I do eat a lot of white rice to keep my weight up. So I wonder if the starches I consume are causing the issue. I used to intermittent fast (16 hours fast, 8 hour window for eating daily) for years and was doing a keto style diet for about eight months up until two years ago. I was super lean and my glucose levels were never an issue my whole life. But as of two years ago I've been trying to gain muscular lean weight and now eat about 300 grams of carbs daily - no more fasting. I'm 225lb now and my waist is 32" and have visible abs. I'm not a fatty by any means and look better than most of the guys half my age that I see at the gym. I work out six days a week and as of last week put back 30 minutes of cardio back into my routine which I plan to do four to five times weekly indefinitely.

Any thoughts, advice or input?

 

[Demondosage]

I’m diabetic, insulin dependent. Didn’t happen till I was 30 yrs old, ate a lot of white rice and potatoes in the past.

Look into a glucose disposal agent like berberine, take 1,000mg before bed each night. Also may want to lower your carbs and ignore the scale for awhile

 

[Regular Joe]

If the intermittent fasting was working go back to it for awhile. See if it straightens out your sugar and or costs you any size or strength. If it costs you to much strength you could do a 12 hour fast or maybe eod fast. I don't have a lot of knowledge on this as my sugar(surprisingly) has always been good but I have been doing some fasting and many people swear by it to straighten out blood sugar

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

My dad got diagnosed with diabetes(forget which type) a few years ago and he was relatively healthy. It was a huge surprise and kind of hilarious at the same time. He’s pretty damn skinny but literally eats giant bowls of cereal and sugary carbs multiple times a day.

He’ll get stoned and I used to catch him downing PBJs at 10 pm. He actually changed a lot of his habits and got his A1c and sugars down to a more reasonable level.

 

[MindlessWork]

Sorry to hear of this but time to change the diet which should help (with your doc's guidance). I myself had a scare about high blood sugar fasting, but was indeed able to fix it by diet and more cardio along with monitoring by my doc. So far no need for insulin as my own A1C has dropped to 5.5 (from a scary 7.1) since and fasted sugar at 98. Hopefully your doc will assess your situation and help you come up with a good plan of action.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Sorry to hear of this but time to change the diet which should help (with your doc's guidance). I myself had a scare about high blood sugar fasting, but was indeed able to fix it by diet and more cardio along with monitoring by my doc. So far no need for insulin as my own A1C has dropped to 5.5 (from a scary 7.1) since and fasted sugar at 98. Hopefully your doc will assess your situation and help you come up with a good plan of action.

My last blood test showed my A1C at 6.7….

Thing is my diet is pretty clean other than massive amounts of red meat for stretches of time.

Doctor didn’t really show concern not that I followed up much about it.

Is this something I should worry about?

 

[MindlessWork]

My last blood test showed my A1C at 6.7….

Thing is my diet is pretty clean other than massive amounts of red meat for stretches of time.

Doctor didn’t really show concern not that I followed up much about it.

Is this something I should worry about?

It's under 7 so maybe keep an eye on it in subsequent bloodwork. If it is creeping up trendwise perhaps discuss the concern with your doc.

 

[Demondosage]

My last blood test showed my A1C at 6.7….

Thing is my diet is pretty clean other than massive amounts of red meat for stretches of time.

Doctor didn’t really show concern not that I followed up much about it.

Is this something I should worry about?

Yes

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

It's under 7 so maybe keep an eye on it in subsequent bloodwork. If it is creeping up trendwise perhaps discuss the concern with your doc.

I’m 24. I will be so pissed off if I end up having to deal with that early on. I eat clean 80% of the time too. Unlucky genetics

Yes

^^ will do and see what happens.

 

[Villain]

My last blood test showed my A1C at 6.7….

Thing is my diet is pretty clean other than massive amounts of red meat for stretches of time.

Doctor didn’t really show concern not that I followed up much about it.

Is this something I should worry about?

Try some Berberine if you haven’t already.

 

[Type-IIx]

Are you using rhGH, MK677, or any GH secretagogues?

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Are you using rhGH, MK677, or any GH secretagogues?

Question wasn’t aimed at me but I have used mk677 in the past.

Curious to hear your thoughts on it.

 

[Type-IIx]

Question wasn’t aimed at me but I have used mk677 in the past.

Curious to hear your thoughts on it.

I dislike it because it's horrible for insulin sensitivity and basically gives all the sides of GH without the benefit (significantly increased serum IGF-I).

 

[lankyOldIdiot]

I dislike it because it's horrible for insulin sensitivity and basically gives all the sides of GH without the benefit (significantly increased serum IGF-I).

How fast do you think insulin resistance reverses when you drop the GH? Or is it entirely just for the moment the GH is active?

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I dislike it because it's horrible for insulin sensitivity and basically gives all the sides of GH without the benefit (significantly increased serum IGF-I).

While this is just my account. Mk677 was awesome for an extra boost. My recovery was significantly improved and sleep was noticeably better.

Sleep I can see being a placebo.

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

Thanks for all the input, guys.

I'm gonna try and go back to intermittent fasting. I really loved the way I looked while doing that type of diet (while naked) but in clothes I just looked kinda small and trim. I didn't even do any cardio whatsoever and I was my leanest ever while doing the Body Opus style diet by the late Dan Duchaine. You basically do a keto style diet Monday through Friday and then switch to a zero fat diet with carbs at every meal eaten every two hours on the weekend. For my goal, I'd skip the carb up weekends for the time being. But dang, after alternating the keto 30g of carbs a day with high fat most of the the week and a carb up weekend I'd look super pumped and and lean as hell and sadly it wasn't enough because like most of you can appreciate, I wanted more muscle mass and to get BIG.

What's also kinda disconcerting is that my ALS and AST liver enzymes are still elevated even after being off of a mild cycle for nearly three months. During the past summer I did 200mg of testosterone and 300mg of trenbolone enanthate for four months. I ended that cycle October 31st. I now inject 140mg of my HRT a week. Basically 10iu of my testosterone daily everyday for a constant supply. I love injecting this way and it's so much easier compared to a 1.5" 21g needle and syringe.

Here's my bloodwork. You can see that my ALT is mildly high. Nothing to really worry about now but I don't know what I could be doing to make it creep up since I've been off of a cycle for nearly three months.



You can also see my glucose and its upward trend toward the bottom of the image I posted above.

Since I'm injecting a little bit of test everyday could that be the culprit? I didn't start doing micro injections everyday until around late summer of last year, when I was doing my tren/test cycle. Prior to that I did two small injections every Tuesday and Friday. I just don't know what's going on.

Since my glucose and liver enzymes both are elevated I wonder if there's a correlation. I did a little research and elevated ALT levels can be caused by a fatty liver. Fatty livers can be caused by too many carbs. But that typically spikes triglycerides as well and mine are within a normal range.


I'm going to contact my doctor via the portal to see what a next step can be. My father was a diabetic so it runs in the family. But he was obese and also had Muscular Dystrophy. None of my siblings have diabetes and I'm the youngest of five brothers/sisters. I'm the most athletic and physically active, body conscious compared to all of them. I even measure and weigh my food everyday and only eat out once a month, if that. So naturally this kinda burns me.

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

I’m diabetic, insulin dependent. Didn’t happen till I was 30 yrs old, ate a lot of white rice and potatoes in the past.

Look into a glucose disposal agent like berberine, take 1,000mg before bed each night. Also may want to lower your carbs and ignore the scale for awhile

Wow, this looks really promising. I never heard of this before. Thank you!

Can you recommend a good brand you find to be reliable?

I just read up on this on the NCBI website and the results look really good:

Effects of berberine on glucose-lipid metabolism, inflammatory factors and insulin resistance in patients with metabolic syndrome

 

[Type-IIx]

How fast do you think insulin resistance reverses when you drop the GH? Or is it entirely just for the moment the GH is active?

IR persists only while the GH is active, though HbA1c will take months to change after chronic rhGH administration as it's a proxy measure of glycosylated haemoglobin and RBC turnover. HbA1c reflects blood glucose concentrations over a chronic (several monthslong) period.

 

[lankyOldIdiot]

IR persists only while the GH is active, though HbA1c will take months to change after chronic rhGH administration as it's a proxy measure of glycosylated haemoglobin and RBC turnover. HbA1c reflects blood glucose concentrations over a chronic (several monthslong) period.

Meaning if OP goes on a small fast, say 16 hours without taking GH, would he no longer be IR?

But it still might reflect that he is on tests?

 

[Rido]

Meaning if OP goes on a small fast, say 16 hours without taking GH, would he no longer be IR?

But it still might reflect that he is on tests?

A1c reflects glucose control over the past few weeks. If he goes hypocaloric and allows his insulin sensitivity to increase. His a1c will lower again. Obviously GH like @Type-IIx mentioned nwoukd be a huge factor.


If he does hit "prediabetic range" they usually prescribe merformin to slow it down. In this case..... I honestly think it would be reversible after he gets off some substances that decreases insulin sensitivity.