Thoughts on my cycle

[kosp]

why the fuck are you telling someone to use dbol for their FIRST cycle? he has no idea how hell respond to test alone, especially in regards to aromatization and you want to add something like dbol?

Relax bro, you seem a little triggered.

With any cycle, Anastrozole should be always on hand if necessary, so you are prepared for aromatization, also dbol is easy to drop if not feeling well. Test takes about 6 weeks to kick in, dbol is right away, easy to differentiate.

The other user told me that it was a bad idea to recommend dbol and high test because of 2 reasons: the OP is fat, which I clarified to better lean out before doing a first cycle, and then enjoy the full bulking benefits of it.

Second reason: he is low natty TT, therefore will be more conservative to make gains at TRT, OK, but he is here asking for a CYCLE.

Honestly if you can't take 500mg of test and a committed dose of dbol, AAS aren't for you.

And finally, 500mg of test + dbol for a first cycle is not a crazy idea at all, wtf are you so shaken about?

 

[LescoBrandon]

Relax bro, you seem a little triggered.

With any cycle, Anastrozole should be always on hand if necessary, so you are prepared for aromatization, also dbol is easy to drop if not feeling well. Test takes about 6 weeks to kick in, dbol is right away, easy to differentiate.

The other user told me that it was a bad idea to recommend dbol and high test because of 2 reasons: the OP is fat, which I clarified to better lean out before doing a first cycle, and then enjoy the full bulking benefits of it.

Second reason: he is low natty TT, therefore will be more conservative to make gains at TRT, OK, but he is here asking for a CYCLE.

Honestly if you can't take 500mg of test and a committed dose of dbol, AAS aren't for you.

And finally, 500mg of test + dbol for a first cycle is not a crazy idea at all, wtf are you so shaken about?

this is a harm reduction forum?

test doesnt take 6 weeks to kick in lmfao. you aromatize before 6 weeks. youre recommending someone to take an ai unnecessarily during their first cycle which is not conducive at all to harm reduction.

 

[kosp]

this is a harm reduction forum?

test doesnt take 6 weeks to kick in lmfao. you aromatize before 6 weeks. youre recommending someone to take an ai unnecessarily during their first cycle which is not conducive at all to harm reduction.

Learn to read bro, I said Anastrozole should be always on hand IF NECESSARY.

If you are so frightened about aromatization, then stay natty and stfu.

 

[Rido]

Relax bro, you seem a little triggered.

With any cycle, Anastrozole should be always on hand if necessary, so you are prepared for aromatization, also dbol is easy to drop if not feeling well. Test takes about 6 weeks to kick in, dbol is right away, easy to differentiate.

The other user told me that it was a bad idea to recommend dbol and high test because of 2 reasons: the OP is fat, which I clarified to better lean out before doing a first cycle, and then enjoy the full bulking benefits of it.

Second reason: he is low natty TT, therefore will be more conservative to make gains at TRT, OK, but he is here asking for a CYCLE.

Honestly if you can't take 500mg of test and a committed dose of dbol, AAS aren't for you.

And finally, 500mg of test + dbol for a first cycle is not a crazy idea at all, wtf are you so shaken about?

This is a harm reduction forum dude. If he wants to make gains we are here to advise the best, safest, and most sustainable option. He could make phenomenal changes over 3 months on a trt does with consistent training and then blast when he is ready.

He is already at criteria for TRT. You were throwing advice out without reading OPs intro.


There are plenty of people who are experienced and would be against 500mg of test/dbol. Especially for a first cycle, regardless of BF

Your idea was terrible for anybody. If he can't do 500mg of test/dbol? Then AAS is not for anybody?

Come on. That's ridiculous.

 

[kosp]

This is a harm reduction forum dude. If he wants to make gains we are here to advise the best, safest, and most sustainable option. He could make phenomenal changes over 3 months on a trt does with consistent training and then blast when he is ready.

He is already at criteria for TRT. You were throwing advice out without reading OPs intro.


There are plenty of people who are experienced and would be against 500mg of test/dbol. Especially for a first cycle, regardless of BF

Your idea was terrible for anybody. If he can't do 500mg of test/dbol? Then AAS is not for anybody?

Come on. That's ridiculous.

I am noticing that you are pretty Testphobic bro.

Doing for a first bulking cycle less than 500mg? Really? For 250 I wouldn't even bother. Anyway he came here asking for cycle advice and you gave him TRT right away.

I would try ANYTHING to avoid be sentenced to the needle for a lifetime.

 

[Rido]

I am noticing that you are pretty Testphobic bro.

Doing for a first bulking cycle less than 500mg? Really? For 250 I wouldn't even bother. Anyway he came here asking for cycle advice and you gave him TRT right away.

I would try ANYTHING to avoid be sentenced to the needle for a lifetime.

His natty test is sub 300. It's not gonna get any better.


We do not advise people to run cycles who do not understand the basics of nutrition and training. After all of this crap. How is he going to maintain his physique?

I am testphobic? I am realistic in preventing issues.

Rofl @ anything to avoid lifetime sentence? and you are here running a 500mg cycle to cut at 23 percent bodyfat. Something completely unnecessary.

Again this is a harm reduction forum...

 

[LescoBrandon]

Learn to read bro, I said Anastrozole should be always on hand IF NECESSARY.

If you are so frightened about aromatization, then stay natty and stfu.

im not afraid about aromatization.

youre telling someone to take another compound that fucks with estrogen without even knowing how the person responds to test alone. if you said add dbol at the end of the cycle, sure. but to suggest it at the beginning of his first ever cycle is retarded. theres no need to take extra amount of drugs that you dont need to for your first cycle.

 

[kosp]

His natty test is sub 300. It's not gonna get any better.


We do not advise people to run cycles who do not understand the basics of nutrition and training. After all of this crap. How is he going to maintain his physique?

I am testphobic? I am realistic in preventing issues.

Rofl @ anything to avoid lifetime sentence? and you are here running a 500mg cycle to cut at 23 percent bodyfat. Something completely unnecessary.

Again this is a harm reduction forum...

So you have a crystal ball and you already know he can do nothing about his low TT, therefore sentencing him to TRT right away, totally annihilating his chances, no matter how low they are, ok...

About using 500mg to cut at 23%, I listened to advice and I am dropping in to half, adding some mast instead. You may think cutting cycles are useless, still you use tren to cut.

I am cutting at 2000 miserable calories, still lifting my best weights and able to do high intensity, and i look fuller, with redness, my muscle are harder... cutting cycles are useless, ok!

 

[Rido]

So you have a crystal ball and you already know he can do nothing about his low TT, therefore sentencing him to TRT right away, totally annihilating his chances, no matter how low they are, ok...

About using 500mg to cut at 23%, I listened to advice and I am dropping in to half, adding some mast instead. You may think cutting cycles are useless, still you use tren to cut.

I am cutting at 2000 miserable calories, still lifting my best weights and able to do high intensity, and i look fuller, with redness, my muscle are harder... cutting cycles are useless, ok!

Sub 300 is when they medically prescribe TRT to people for hypogonadism.(not the pay to buy test type of clinic)

I used 200 test 75mg to cut as an extension of my current cycle for an aggressive deficit. This my first time to use tren at all. My cut after my first recomp was 180 test 120 mast. In hind sight the mast was unnecessary at the time.

I am also 5'10 225 lbs at around 14% bodyfat.

I am also not at 23% body fat with a normal LBM. You literally have such a high bf that it would prioritize it as energy over muscle. You are doing damage to your own HPTA when yours is well functioning.

 

[kosp]

Sub 300 is when they medically prescribe TRT to people for hypogonadism.(not the pay to buy test type of clinic)

I used 200 test 75mg to cut as an extension of my current cycle for an aggressive deficit. This my first time to use tren at all. My cut after my first recomp was 180 test 120 mast. In hind sight the mast was unnecessary at the time.

I am also 5'10 225 lbs at around 14% bodyfat.

I am also not at 23% body fat with a normal LBM. You literally have such a high bf that it would prioritize it as energy over muscle. You are doing damage to your own HPTA when yours is well functioning.

Again, so now you are a doctor, and you see sub 300 level and recommend TRT right away, without carefully analizing all the other involved factors? I am just saying be very careful before telling people to TRT, here this forum is about harm reduction but so easy to push people towards TRT.

So mast was unnecessary because you would have hold all your mass on 180 test no problem, but let's try tren now for cutting, good thinking.

One question, for how long have you been on? Because you seem that you have forgotten how shitty natty cuts are. Maybe you think I have been 23% all my life...

 

[Rido]

Again, so now you are a doctor, and you see sub 300 level and recommend TRT right away, without carefully analizing all the other involved factors? I am just saying be very careful before telling people to TRT, here this forum is about harm reduction but so easy to push people towards TRT.

So mast was unnecessary because you would have hold all your mass on 180 test no problem, but let's try tren now for cutting, good thinking.

One question, for how long have you been on? Because you seem that you have forgotten how shitty natty cuts are. Maybe you think I have been 23% all my life...

That is why we are advising him to seek legal TRT to be evaluated. I am not telling him to go on a TRT dose from UGL.


I also have about 23 lbs more of lbm than I did when I cut on 180test/ 120 mast. I also just finished a bulking cycle where I gained went from 207 to 237 with minimal fat gain this current blast.

So yes I was already titrating off of my AAS and my total AAS MG was cut by a 1/4 from bulking. for an extra 4 weeks.

the bulk part of this cycle was from 10/31-1/1 which lasted 10 weeks and slapped on an extra 4 at the end to cut some excess fat aggressively. I am at a 1250-1500 deficit with 2 hours of cardio daily. I am not blasting 600mg of tren while I am at home watching TV.

I have been on for a year 14 months.

When I was your age I crash dieted from 30 percent body fat a lost 30 lbs natty and kept it off since then.

 

[kosp]

That is why we are advising him to seek legal TRT to be evaluated. I am not telling him to go on a TRT dose from UGL.


I also have about 23 lbs more of lbm than I did when I cut on 180test/ 120 mast. I also just finished a bulking cycle where I gained went from 207 to 237 with minimal fat gain this current blast.

So yes I was already titrating off of my AAS and my total AAS MG was cut by a 1/4 from bulking. for an extra 4 weeks.

the bulk part of this cycle was from 10/31-1/1 which lasted 10 weeks and slapped on an extra 4 at the end to cut some excess fat aggressively. I am at a 1250-1500 deficit with 2 hours of cardio daily. I am not blasting 600mg of tren while I am at home watching TV.

I have been on for a year 14 months.

When I was your age I crash dieted from 30 percent body fat a lost 30 lbs natty and kept it off since then.

There's no way of justifying using toxic tren, just do 180 of test bro, harm reduction.

Believe or not I am happy with my size, I just want to lean out and getting the best possible of what I already have, I don't cycle since 2019 and I would shutdown my hpta doing a bulking cycle at 10% BF aswell, but I choose the shutdown this way because it's what I want. Is it soo hard to understand that i don't have your TRT mindset?

Doing mild cycles (well for you 500 of test alone is a lot), so separated in time has allowed me to bounce back even higher TT than before (bloodwork 3 months Post last serm).

 

[AMG23]

Do 4-6 months in of trt. You won't regret. While you do that, you can do some more reading here.

Thanks for your opinion. I decided to go the route you stated, have my first appointment for the TRT on the 2nd and best of all, it’s all going to be covered by my insurance. Still want to try the Primo and Var stack with it but I’ll try that in 4-6 months in as you stated.

If you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on SARMs? Would it be a good idea adding 1 or 2 to my TRT regimen or should I just stay purely on the TRT dose.
Was thinking Cardarine and Ostarine or Testolone.

 

[Rido]

Thanks for your opinion. I decided to go the route you stated, have my first appointment for the TRT on the 2nd and best of all, it’s all going to be covered by my insurance. Still want to try the Primo and Var stack with it but I’ll try that in 4-6 months in as you stated.

If you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on SARMs? Would it be a good idea adding 1 or 2 to my TRT regimen or should I just stay purely on the TRT dose.
Was thinking Cardarine and Ostarine or Testolone.

I don't have any inputs on SARMs tbh.

Just atleast get a workup from them to make sure it isn't related to something else. It's hard to find a solid trt doctor

You can go the UGL route after. If you want a trt clinic that is pretty much "pay to order test" ... which is an option too.


You can blast in-between blood tests from the doctors. Or add something else.


May have to talk to us about how to be sneaky about it. Good luck

 

[Leg_locker]

If you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on SARMs? Would it be a good idea adding 1 or 2 to my TRT regimen or should I just stay purely on the TRT dose.
Was thinking Cardarine and Ostarine or Testolone

I like cardarine 10-20mg Ed for endurance. If you want to use it for weight-loss you'll be underwhelmed

Waste of money taking ostarine or rad while on test imo

 

[kosp]

Thanks for your opinion. I decided to go the route you stated, have my first appointment for the TRT on the 2nd and best of all, it’s all going to be covered by my insurance. Still want to try the Primo and Var stack with it but I’ll try that in 4-6 months in as you stated.

If you don’t mind me asking, what are your thoughts on SARMs? Would it be a good idea adding 1 or 2 to my TRT regimen or should I just stay purely on the TRT dose.
Was thinking Cardarine and Ostarine or Testolone.

try to get your natural TT up at all costs for at least a year before committing to the needle dude... breathe into your balls and take the sun naked right in it.

 

[XtraWhoreMoans]

What clinics are these? The one I have been considering is Hone Health through my research

TRT nation is good in my experience

 

[WFB Strongest]

Matrix hormones would not agree AAS abuse but wouldn't abandon you as a patient.(they can't say they allow it)


I would disagree with the natural part. Your testosterone is poor, enough for TRT...

Go on TRT and lean out. You can blast later if you want...


What's your training and nutrition knowledge? Background?

FIDO, I asked you about matrix before,but just filled out their online form to roll with them during my cruise period. Will they be okay with my test levels up near 1,000 as I am currently running trt around 200 a week. I just dont want them denying me being my levels are high. I will tell them I am self prescribing.

 

[ripper908]

4 compounds on a first cycle

dear lord what happened to the days of 500mg of test a week for a first cycle