Time for Anabolic lab to begin testing RAW POWDERS to revive interest?

[master.on]

@Millard Baker wrote an excellent article on how black market steroid raws (thus most finished UG gear) can be contaminated with heavy metals and other dangerous chemicals.
Are Steroids from Underground Labs Contaminated with Toxic Metals?

What if most black market powders were only 70% pure, but they overdose their products to get 101% in Anaboliclab tests?
This could very well happen

So vote (at least vote so you can see survey results)
and donate, don't be such a pathetic freeloader!

 

[Docd187123]

No matter how much you overdose a 70% pure raw, it will always have 70% purity....

 

[master.on]

No matter how much you overdose a 70% pure raw, it will always have 70% purity....

I meant UGLs making FINISHED formulations

i.e. for 70% pure raws they add an additional 42.86% to the recipe to compensate for the lower purity
70% x 1.4286 = 100%
thus the finished formulation will test as 100% pure, even if you're flooding your body with dangerous chemical leftovers (from the remaining 30% impurities
THIS IS WHY TESTING RAWS IS THE BEST THING IT CAN EVER BE DONE TO HELP AND PROTECT THE BB'ING COMMUNITY HEALTH.
This is why I ask such an honest and proactive man as @Millard Baker to help us out with this.

This can explain why many UGLs are so reluctant to reduce BB and BA concentrations, despite customers requests: their impure powders simply won't hold without them.

 

[Docd187123]

I meant UGLs making FINISHED formulations

i.e. for 70% pure raws they add an additional 42.86% to the recipe to compensate for the lower purity
70% x 1.4286 = 100%
thus the finished formulation will test as 100% pure
this can explain why many UGLs are so reluctant to reduce BB and BA use, despite customers requests: their impure powders won't hold without them

You're mixing up purity and concentration. Purity is the percentage of the mass of the substance to the mass of impure substance. If you overdose a 70% pure substance to get the correct CONCENTRATION it will still only be 70% pure bc you did nothing to remove the impurities.

BA use at 0.9-1% is fine to maintain bacteriostatic properties regardless of impurities in the raws bc you only need ~1% BA relative to the total volume of oil made. It has nothing to do with the purity of the raws. Same goes for BB for the most part unless the impurities affect the solubility which likely isn't enough to make significant changes.

 

[Sk8man101]

I asked this question in another thread. Millard stated that AL is not there to do the sources job for them. It's to test how well the sources do their jobs.

 

[master.on]

You're mixing up purity and concentration. Purity is the percentage of the mass of the substance to the mass of impure substance. If you overdose a 70% pure substance to get the correct CONCENTRATION it will still only be 70% pure bc you did nothing to remove the impurities.

BA use at 0.9-1% is fine to maintain bacteriostatic properties regardless of impurities in the raws bc you only need ~1% BA relative to the total volume of oil made. It has nothing to do with the purity of the raws. Same goes for BB for the most part unless the impurities affect the solubility which likely isn't enough to make significant changes.

The way Simec/Chemtox and other labs tests are made, they are actually testing for concentration.

By definition, a finished formulation is impure
it contains oil, BA maybe BB, etc
so in a FINISHED formulation they can indeed fool testing by overdosing

Overdosing is actually an accepted and recommended practice in all pharma meds for any illness
i.e they overdose a 99% raw by 1.01% to get an effective 100% of the mg's stated in the label
That's why USP (and other pharmacopeas) took a huge effort ruling minimum allowable purity, and the kind of impurities allowable.

 

[Docd187123]

The way Simec/Chemtox and other labs tests are made, they are actually testing for concentration.

By definition, a finished formulation is impure
it contains oil, BA maybe BB, etc
so in a FINISHED formulation they can indeed fool testing by overdosing

Overdosing is actually an accepted and recommended practice in all pharma meds for any illness
i.e they overdose a 99% raw by 1.01% to get an effective 100% of the mg's stated in the label
That's why USP (and other pharmacopeas) took a huge effort ruling minimum allowable purity, and the kind of impurities allowable.

They don't fool testing by overdosing a product bc as you said, they're testing for concentration and not purity....

And I used overdosing bc it's your term but it's not technically correct. Overdosing means to dose over what the label says. If a company adds extra substance to get what the label claims then it's not overdosing.

 

[master.on]

I meant UGLs making FINISHED formulations

i.e. for 70% pure raws they add an additional 42.86% to the recipe to compensate for the lower purity
70% x 1.4286 = 100%
thus the finished formulation will test as 100% pure, even if you're flooding your body with dangerous chemical leftovers (from the remaining 30% impurities
THIS IS WHY TESTING RAWS IS THE BEST THING IT CAN EVER BE DONE TO HELP AND PROTECT THE BB'ING COMMUNITY HEALTH.
This is why I ask such an honest and proactive man as @Millard Baker to help us out with this.

This can explain why many UGLs are so reluctant to reduce BB and BA concentrations, despite customers requests: their impure powders simply won't hold without them.

I asked this question in another thread. Millard stated that AL is not there to do the sources job for them. It's to test how well the sources do their jobs.

If so anabolic lab is inadvertently not doing a good job providing meaningful tests that protect the health of BBers.

All people would rather inject an effectively underdosed product where impurities are harmless than an overdosed "tested at 101%" product full of dangerous chemicals.

How much and what kind of impurities underground products contain?
Testing raws can clear this up.

 

[master.on]

They don't fool testing by overdosing a product bc as you said, they're testing for concentration and not purity....

And I used overdosing bc it's your term but it's not technically correct. Overdosing means to dose over what the label says. If a company adds extra substance to get what the label claims then it's not overdosing.

Sorry for the confusion
we can call this just 'compensating' to avoid further confusion

Point is compensating can prevent tests from uncovering the dangerous chemicals BBers may be injecting in their bodies.

That's why testing raws is the best project to protect BBers health.

 

[master.on]

I asked this question in another thread. Millard stated that AL is not there to do the sources job for them. It's to test how well the sources do their jobs.

1 Most likely sources aren't making a good job, they are there only for the money in an mostly-illegal thus unregulated market

2 and anaboliclab inadvertently ain't making a good job either
so, who's left to protect BBers health?

That's why I ask you guys to support the powder-testing petition

 

[Just Fish]

@Millard Baker wrote an excellent article on how black market steroid raws (thus most finished UG gear) can be contaminated with heavy metals and other dangerous chemicals.
Are Steroids from Underground Labs Contaminated with Toxic Metals?

What if most black market powders were only 70% pure, but they overdose their products to get 101% in Anaboliclab tests?
This could very well happen

So vote (at least vote so you can see survey results)
and donate, don't be such a pathetic freeloader!

Anabolic lab simec testing checks for impurities and contaminants. Testing the finished product is protecting bb's. Testing raws is only doing the ugl's job for them. There are so many raw suppliers it would not only be ineffective but pointless to test raws

 

[master.on]

Anabolic lab simec testing checks for impurities and contaminants. Testing the finished product is protecting bb's. Testing raws is only doing the ugl's job for them. There are so many raw suppliers it would not only be ineffective but pointless to test raws

There are too many impurities not detected by their tests

Many BBers and small sources brew from UG raws, so testing raws is protecting BBers health.
There are far more small sources than main raw sources.

Sorry but that 'making UGL's job for them' sounds like either an unintended consequence or a secret agenda: protect UGLs smart enough to compensate for their impure gear.

idk as some top UGLs/grey market/foreign legally registered labs do buy real pharmacopoeia grade pure powders, as they have a nice budget and gear is legal in their countries.

If anything, testing powders and exposing their crappy quality would discredit small UGLs who can only afford UG-grade powders, favoring the larger ones who buy real pharmacopoeia-grade powders.

 

[Docd187123]

If so anabolic lab is inadvertently not doing a good job providing meaningful tests that protect the health of BBers.

All people would rather inject an effectively underdosed product where impurities are harmless than an overdosed "tested at 101%" product full of dangerous chemicals.

How much and what kind of impurities underground products contain?
Testing raws can clear this up.

Now your confusing purity with contamination. Anabolic lab has in the past tested for heavy metal concentrations and bacterial concentrations.

Not only that, but impurities are not necessarily dangerous. There are impurities in almost all chemical reactions and syntheses. Just bc they are there doesn't mean they're dangerous.

Sorry for the confusion
we can call this just 'compensating' to avoid further confusion

Point is compensating can prevent tests from uncovering the dangerous chemicals BBers may be injecting in their bodies.

That's why testing raws is the best project to protect BBers health.

No. Testing raws is not the best way to protect the health of users. Purity tests don't mean much towards health, especially of the raws themselves. Contamination from heavy metals and bacteria testing, which anabolic lab has done, is what protects end users. Also, testing raws is a waste for anabolic lab bc it doesn't matter what's in the raws but what's in the final product. If anabolic lab tested for heavy metals and bacteria in raws who gives a shit? Bacteria and heavy metal contamination can be introduced during the brewing process and if you only test the raws you'd miss it.

This ain't rocket science kid

 

[Just Fish]

There are too many impurities not detected by their tests

Many BBers and small sources brew from UG raws, so testing raws is protecting BBers health.
There are far more small sources than main raw sources.

Sorry but that 'making UGL's job for them' sounds like either an unintended consequence or a secret agenda: protect UGLs smart enough to compensate for their impure gear.

idk as some top UGLs/grey market/foreign legally registered labs do buy real pharmacopoeia grade pure powders, as they have a nice budget and gear is legal in their countries.

If anything, testing powders and exposing their crappy quality would discredit small UGLs who can only afford UG-grade powders, favoring the larger ones who buy real pharmacopoeia-grade powders.

You obviously have no clue how many raw suppliers there are. Not only is it pointless to test raws but it would be impossible to test enough suppliers to even matter.

 

[mercury]

What if most black market powders were only 70% pure, but they overdose their products to get 101% in Anaboliclab tests?
This could very well happen

we wait for you to start your own production line with your knowledge and expertise you will be the champion of all UGLs, I am signing up to take your first 100 vials

 

[Wunderpus]

@Millard Baker wrote an excellent article on how black market steroid raws (thus most finished UG gear) can be contaminated with heavy metals and other dangerous chemicals.
Are Steroids from Underground Labs Contaminated with Toxic Metals?

What if most black market powders were only 70% pure, but they overdose their products to get 101% in Anaboliclab tests?
This could very well happen

So vote (at least vote so you can see survey results)
and donate, don't be such a pathetic freeloader!

If you've donated, where is your tag?

 

[Just Fish]

@Millard Baker wrote an excellent article on how black market steroid raws (thus most finished UG gear) can be contaminated with heavy metals and other dangerous chemicals.
Are Steroids from Underground Labs Contaminated with Toxic Metals?

What if most black market powders were only 70% pure, but they overdose their products to get 101% in Anaboliclab tests?
This could very well happen

So vote (at least vote so you can see survey results)
and donate, don't be such a pathetic freeloader!

Lmao, guess you are a pathetic freeloader. What makes it worse is that you are demanding testing. Are you fucking shitting me?

 

[Wunderpus]

Lmao, guess you are a pathetic freeloader. What makes it worse is that you are demanding testing. Are you fucking shitting me?

He's a gigantic, and absolutely retarded, piece of shit... Thought you knew this already? He provides false info and literally is only a danger to all those who MIGHT take him seriously. This member should constantly be criticized publicly so some poor newer member doesn't actually take his advice seriously.

 

[ickyrica]

BHG. Nice...

I'm partial to 'lift your head up high and blow your brains out' but 'I hope you die' will do

 

[master.on]

Anabolic lab simec testing checks for impurities and contaminants.

There are many impurities they are not checking for. Take a look at my post on Testosterone and Nandrolone synthesis
Here's the detailed process on how anabolic steroids are made in chemical factories
Since black market raws are not certified pharmacopeia-grade there are just too many chemical intermediates and reagents can be left as impurities that are not being tested for.

Testing the finished product is protecting bb's. Testing raws is only doing the ugl's job for them.

Many (I'd say most) BBers use UG gear either direcly by homebrewing themselves, or indirectly by buying gear from small UGLs that can only afford UG-grade raws
Testing raws means protecting BBers health like no other.

There are so many raw suppliers it would not only be ineffective but pointless to test raws

There are few raw suppliers and many UGLs
I didn't want to get into raw suppliers names but they could test
1 Landmark
2 Quality Raws
3 Pharmade
4 AR
In no particular order

Now your confusing purity with contamination. Anabolic lab has in the past tested for heavy metal concentrations and bacterial concentrations.

Not only that, but impurities are not necessarily dangerous. There are impurities in almost all chemical reactions and syntheses. Just bc they are there doesn't mean they're dangerous.



No. Testing raws is not the best way to protect the health of users. Purity tests don't mean much towards health, especially of the raws themselves. Contamination from heavy metals and bacteria testing, which anabolic lab has done, is what protects end users. Also, testing raws is a waste for anabolic lab bc it doesn't matter what's in the raws but what's in the final product. If anabolic lab tested for heavy metals and bacteria in raws who gives a shit? Bacteria and heavy metal contamination can be introduced during the brewing process and if you only test the raws you'd miss it.

This ain't rocket science kid

Read above

And ever heard of Garbage in, Garbage out?
If most Underground-grade raws are pretty impure, the finished products are going to be crappy, even if overdosed/compensated to make for the impure powders.

You obviously have no clue how many raw suppliers there are. Not only is it pointless to test raws but it would be impossible to test enough suppliers to even matter.

Not too many MAIN raw suppliers
Read the above list, good enough to get anaboliclab receiving thousands of dollars in donations and have many new members joining Meso excited about powder-testing. The first board to come about.

we wait for you to start your own production line with your knowledge and expertise you will be the champion of all UGLs, I am signing up to take your first 100 vials

I'd do that if they weren't illegal.
And yes I'd be king of kings.


Guys
Why so much unexplained opposition to test raws?
Ever heard the word VESTED INTEREST?