Tired of being a fat fuck - 1st mini-cycle

[avisual]

I've decided to document my first cycle to keep myself accountable and share my experiences for people in a similar situation to mine.

Stats:
- Height: 177cm
- Weight: 92-93kg
- BF percentage: around 25%

PEDs:
- 230mg Test E (100mg taken every 3rd day)
- 40mg Anavar (divided into two servings per day)

I'm prescribed 125mcg T4 and 15mcg T3 per day, which has brought my fT3 to the upper end of the reference range. I've also ordered some Semaglutide that's going to arrive tomorrow or on Friday. My plan is to start with 0.375mg.

I've been working out naturally for 1.5 years without really paying attention to my diet, but at least my training was pretty good so I hope I won't end up as a twig after this cut.

Nutrition:
- 2200 calories (50/30/20 protein/carbs/fat percentages)
- meat, fish, eggs, egg whites, whey protein, potatoes, oats, bread, vegetables, fruit, skyr, nuts

Training:
- 4x per week (Push-Pull-Rest-Rest-Upper-Lower-Rest)
- 15000 steps per day

Goals:
- lose as much fat as possible in two months
- minimize muscle loss

If my calculations are correct I would need to lose more than 15kg to create a good starting point for a proper bulking phase. I think that's possible and if I fail miserably at least we all have something to laugh at.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Training:
- 4x per week (Push-Pull-Rest-Rest-Upper-Lower-Rest)

Could consider adding quad-focused and glute-focused leg days so it isn't so focused solely on upper body.

Unless you have massively muscled legs, working on them provides many overall benefits to body composition and quality of life imo. Plus stretching, cardio, etc.

 

[PenguinPiss]

Could consider adding quad-focused and glute-focused leg days so it isn't so focused solely on upper body.

Unless you have massively muscled legs, working on them provides many overall benefits to body composition and quality of life imo. Plus stretching, cardio, etc.

DEFINITELY don't be skipping on leg days.... or even posterior chain days. the body needs that stuff to be stronk!

 

[avisual]

Could consider adding quad-focused and glute-focused leg days so it isn't so focused solely on upper body.

I'm not totally against it, maybe I will add more volume for my legs and posterior chain after the cut.

Anyways, I weighed in at 88.40kg in the morning, 3.6kg down from Thursday. I definitely feel less bloated now.

The Semaglutide works well, it suppresses hunger and appetite by a lot. My resting heart rate went from 55-60bpm to 80-85bpm though.

 

[HB_22]

My resting heart rate went from 55-60bpm to 80-85bpm though.

That is a very steep increase

 

[DECLAN]

I'm not totally against it, maybe I will add more volume for my legs and posterior chain after the cut.

Anyways, I weighed in at 88.40kg in the morning, 3.6kg down from Thursday. I definitely feel less bloated now.

The Semaglutide works well, it suppresses hunger and appetite by a lot. My resting heart rate went from 55-60bpm to 80-85bpm though.

This is exact reason why I stopped semaglutide too, mine jumped to 85-100bpm from 65, that is worse when I was doing clen and tren.

I don’t know your personal tolerance but I lowered my dose after 2 weeks I decided to drop it completely afterwards when I felt random single hard beats.

All went back to normal after cessation though.

 

[BigTomJ]

The Semaglutide works well, it suppresses hunger and appetite by a lot. My resting heart rate went from 55-60bpm to 80-85bpm though.

i personally would consider this alarming.

 

[HB_22]

This is exact reason why I stopped semaglutide too, mine jumped to 85-100bpm from 65, that is worse when I was doing clen and tren.

I don’t know your personal tolerance but I lowered my dose after 2 weeks I decided to drop it completely afterwards when I felt random single hard beats.

All went back to normal after cessation though.

I had this with semaglutide too, but not that crazy. Mine went from around 65 to 75. And I had some irregular heart beats according to my blood pressure monitor (not sure how accurate that is but it has only shown that while on semaglutide).

 

[Ghoul]

I've decided to document my first cycle to keep myself accountable and share my experiences for people in a similar situation to mine.

Stats:
- Height: 177cm
- Weight: 92-93kg
- BF percentage: around 25%

PEDs:
- 230mg Test E (100mg taken every 3rd day)
- 40mg Anavar (divided into two servings per day)

I'm prescribed 125mcg T4 and 15mcg T3 per day, which has brought my fT3 to the upper end of the reference range. I've also ordered some Semaglutide that's going to arrive tomorrow or on Friday. My plan is to start with 0.375mg.

I've been working out naturally for 1.5 years without really paying attention to my diet, but at least my training was pretty good so I hope I won't end up as a twig after this cut.

Nutrition:
- 2200 calories (50/30/20 protein/carbs/fat percentages)
- meat, fish, eggs, egg whites, whey protein, potatoes, oats, bread, vegetables, fruit, skyr, nuts

Training:
- 4x per week (Push-Pull-Rest-Rest-Upper-Lower-Rest)
- 15000 steps per day

Goals:
- lose as much fat as possible in two months
- minimize muscle loss

If my calculations are correct I would need to lose more than 15kg to create a good starting point for a proper bulking phase. I think that's possible and if I fail miserably at least we all have something to laugh at.

Did you notice much of a difference after thyroid hormones were brought to the higher end of the ref range?

 

[avisual]

Did you notice much of a difference after thyroid hormones were brought to the higher end of the ref range?

Yes, more energy, better mood, more appetite and also higher calorie requirements.

I'm a bit concerned about the increased heart rate, but that's supposed to be a common side effect of Semaglutide and maybe Anavar plays a role too. It doesn’t influence my sleep or training performance, so I might as well leave it as it is as long as I'm cutting and benefit from the additional calories burned.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Yes, more energy, better mood, more appetite and also higher calorie requirements.

I'm a bit concerned about the increased heart rate, but that's supposed to be a common side effect of Semaglutide and maybe Anavar plays a role too. It doesn’t influence my sleep or training performance, so I might as well leave it as it is as long as I'm cutting and benefit from the additional calories burned.

imo the gear increased your CNS thats why your HR went up, i wouldnt be surprised if your natural hormones were low already, so the extra androgen stimulation was even more of a change for your body.
imo i think its fine, your body will adjust and you will lose weight and itll go down

 

[avisual]

I'm down 5.2kg in one week. I might increase my calorie intake in the form of more carbs on training days because I've noticed strong hypoglycemia symptoms during my workouts.

Today's Semaglutide dosage is going to be 0.5mg. My sleep was horrible the past two days from being very hungry. I've played around with on the steroid plotter website a bit and found out that a higher injection frequency than once per week could be better for hunger and appetite suppression.

 

[avisual]

I visited my grandparents for a week and came back a lot lighter despite eating all the delicious food my grandma cooked.

My heart rate is still high, I think I might reduce the Semaglutide dosage and deal with occasional hunger attacks and cravings.

Anavar works wonderfully for gaining strength in such a large deficit. The pumps are great as well.

 

[avisual]

Bloodwork is not looking very good. LDL came out to be 148mg/dl while HDL is at 18mg/dl. Should I drop the Anavar? Maybe eat more healthy fats? I've rarely eaten more than 30g fat per day, mostly trace amounts from protein or carb sources. I might as well start doing cardio, in hindsight it wasn't very smart to neglect that.

My calorie intake is around 3000 calories now and I'm still dropping around 1kg per week. I'm now at 83-84kg.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Bloodwork is not looking very good. LDL came out to be 148mg/dl while HDL is at 18mg/dl. Should I drop the Anavar? Maybe eat more healthy fats? I've rarely eaten more than 30g fat per day, mostly trace amounts from protein or carb sources. I might as well start doing cardio, in hindsight it wasn't very smart to neglect that.

My calorie intake is around 3000 calories now and I'm still dropping around 1kg per week. I'm now at 83-84kg.

if you care about your cholesterol you shouldnt use orals especially anavar, theres nothing you can really do to offset it

 

[roofer22]

Bloodwork is not looking very good. LDL came out to be 148mg/dl while HDL is at 18mg/dl. Should I drop the Anavar? Maybe eat more healthy fats? I've rarely eaten more than 30g fat per day, mostly trace amounts from protein or carb sources. I might as well start doing cardio, in hindsight it wasn't very smart to neglect that.

My calorie intake is around 3000 calories now and I'm still dropping around 1kg per week. I'm now at 83-84kg.

I take fish oil and citrus bergamot to help with my lipids. May want to give them a try.

 

[UncleBuns]

Bloodwork is not looking very good. LDL came out to be 148mg/dl while HDL is at 18mg/dl. Should I drop the Anavar? Maybe eat more healthy fats? I've rarely eaten more than 30g fat per day, mostly trace amounts from protein or carb sources. I might as well start doing cardio, in hindsight it wasn't very smart to neglect that.

My calorie intake is around 3000 calories now and I'm still dropping around 1kg per week. I'm now at 83-84kg.

Unfavorable lipid profile is pretty standard for most orals. Injectables skew your lipid profile as well but usually not as much. How long do you plan to take the oxandralone for? Brief poor lipid profile is not good but it's not the end of the world. The length of time that you spend with poor lipids matters a lot though.

For your goals and what you're doing, I don't think you need any orals at all. A reasonable dose of testosterone like what you're taking is probably more than enough. If you really want to add something else a reasonable dose of GH would be my 2nd choice. Keeping it simple with just the testosterone is the safest easiest path though.

 

[somenameforme]

I don't know how much of a meme it is, but my doc recommended high intensity interval training on the treadmill to help lower my LDL. Or, if your gym has a lap pool, there's been studies showing a 20% LDL reduction after a 12 week swimming regime.

 

[UncleBuns]

I don't know how much of a meme it is, but my doc recommended high intensity interval training on the treadmill to help lower my LDL. Or, if your gym has a lap pool, there's been studies showing a 20% LDL reduction after a 12 week swimming regime.

Nothing wrong with HIIT training but depending on your goals it may not be the most effective use of your energy. People like HIIT training because the session doesn't take very long. It is also useful if you need very quick cardiovascular adaptation or if you are trying to achieve a very rapid energy system/ metabolic change for a goal like a athletic performance phase or something like that. HIIT is very taxing though So not well suited if you are doing a serious hypertrophy or strength phase or something along those lines.


For long-term cholesterol management, the best thing to do is increase LISS cardio, limit fat intake to reasonable level and choose high quality fats instead of processed junk fats, and use the lowest total doses of AAS that you need and also figure out and choose compounds which affect your lipids less. Those strategies are more sustainable long-term and will probably give you more benefit. The kind of LISS cardio doesn't really matter. Just pick what you enjoy the most because then you are more likely to stay consistent with it and actually do it. The nice thing about LISS is that you get a ton of benefit and it is not very taxing so it will not heavily affect your other training. The downside is that it takes up more time in the day.

 

[somenameforme]

Nothing wrong with HIIT training but depending on your goals it may not be the most effective use of your energy. People like HIIT training because the session doesn't take very long. It is also useful if you need very quick cardiovascular adaptation or if you are trying to achieve a very rapid energy system/ metabolic change for a goal like a athletic performance phase or something like that. HIIT is very taxing though So not well suited if you are doing a serious hypertrophy or strength phase or something along those lines.


For long-term cholesterol management, the best thing to do is increase LISS cardio, limit fat intake to reasonable level and choose high quality fats instead of processed junk fats, and use the lowest total doses of AAS that you need and also figure out and choose compounds which affect your lipids less. Those strategies are more sustainable long-term and will probably give you more benefit. The kind of LISS cardio doesn't really matter. Just pick what you enjoy the most because then you are more likely to stay consistent with it and actually do it. The nice thing about LISS is that you get a ton of benefit and it is not very taxing so it will not heavily affect your other training. The downside is that it takes up more time in the day.

TIL

Thank you! I'll have to read more about this.