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Redrocketriggs said:
I second this. Also asking why you would add the dbol at the end and not at the beginning. Figured you would want to add more size in the beginning of your run and then slowly start to tighten it up towards the end and lean out a bit if it is a lean bulk.
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Dbol at beginning and end was the suggestion I was given a couple years ago. The Dbol at the beginning is “kickstart” and a finisher to really blow up at the end.
 
T-Bagger said:
You can make your cycle go 16-20 weeks if you want, regardless of ester. I used to run 20 week cycles. Granted, that's what my old source used to recommend. But you could definitely go longer than 12. Those were long ester cycles though.
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Interesting. Maybe I have read of someone running a longer cycle of short esters.
iceman440 said:
He was probably serious. 16 weeks is not to long for a cycle, but given what you are running I would not.

I would keep it how it is and run the oral for 4 weeks.

Also why dbol at the end?
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Ok so for the first part. Why would you not run it longer?
As for why wouldn’t I use the dbol at the start. Because it’s a short esters and they kick in pretty quick. If it was long esters then yes I would kick start it.

Redrocketriggs said:
I second this. Also asking why you would add the dbol at the end and not at the beginning. Figured you would want to add more size in the beginning of your run and then slowly start to tighten it up towards the end and lean out a bit if it is a lean bulk.
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Read above. Plus I will add this to that.
I ran 16 weeks on test e 300 mg a week.
I kick started it with 20 mg dbol for first 4 weeks. Then dropped them for the next 4 weeks. I then stared them again on the next 4 weeks and added 20 mg of winny with them. On the last 4 weeks I ran just the winny.
Winny on its own can get a little cray cray on the joints. Dbol on its own can give a little bloat. But guess what happens when you utilize both at the same time. They cancel out them sides and your left with excellent strength gains. More strength means you can move more weight. Also winny has some other properties like decreasing shgb and increased stamina and recovery.
And then there is the point that increasing myostatin happens and utilizing another compound to overcome that comes into effect at the latter part of a longer cycle.
A well known member here turned me on to the 3 days winny, 3 days dbol or anadrol and back and forth.
 
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The ole man said:
Interesting. Maybe I have read of someone running a longer cycle of short esters.

Ok so for the first part. Why would you not run it longer?
As for why would I use the dbol at the start. Because it’s a short esters and they kick in pretty quick. If it was long esters then yes I would kick start it.


Read above. Plus I will add this to that.
I ran 16 weeks on test e 300 mg a week.
I kick started it with 20 mg dbol for first 4 weeks. Then dropped them for the next 4 weeks. I then stared them again on the next 4 weeks and added 20 mg of winny with them. On the last 4 weeks I ran just the winny.
Winny on its own can get a little cray cray on the joints. Dbol on its own can give a little bloat. But guess what happens when you utilize both at the same time. They cancel out them sides and your left with excellent strength gains. More strength means you can move more weight. Also winny has some other properties like decreasing shgb and increased stamina and recovery.
A well known member here turned me on to the 3 days winny, 3 days dbol or anadrol and back and forth.
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Your RIGHT old man buddy..missed u too wise one
 
T-Bagger said:
Did you ever rip up that flooring you laid?
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No I let it go... I dragged that shit up 4 stories of fucked up stairs that were not cut right to make these little dinky steps..
was up like four straight days totaling 5 and at the end of the day they love the way it looked and the workmanship..
not even a simple “thank you” no appreciation, it was absolutely worthless waste of time.. i’m still in shock; I THOUGHT I would be like a superman like the ultimate awesome guy but they ended up kind of like well he could’ve done more ..WTF
 
ONDRUN said:
No I let it go... I dragged that shit up 4 stories of fucked up stairs that were not cut right to make these little dinky steps..
was up like four straight days totaling 5 and at the end of the day they love the way it looked and the workmanship..
not even a simple “thank you” no appreciation, it was absolutely worthless waste of time.. i’m still in shock; I THOUGHT I would be like a superman like the ultimate awesome guy but they ended up kind of like well he could’ve done more ..WTF
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And for that, those floors would be ruined for life.
 
The ole man said:
Interesting. Maybe I have read of someone running a longer cycle of short esters.

Ok so for the first part. Why would you not run it longer?
As for why would I use the dbol at the start. Because it’s a short esters and they kick in pretty quick. If it was long esters then yes I would kick start it.


Read above. Plus I will add this to that.
I ran 16 weeks on test e 300 mg a week.
I kick started it with 20 mg dbol for first 4 weeks. Then dropped them for the next 4 weeks. I then stared them again on the next 4 weeks and added 20 mg of winny with them. On the last 4 weeks I ran just the winny.
Winny on its own can get a little cray cray on the joints. Dbol on its own can give a little bloat. But guess what happens when you utilize both at the same time. They cancel out them sides and your left with excellent strength gains. More strength means you can move more weight. Also winny has some other properties like decreasing shgb and increased stamina and recovery.
And then there is the point that increasing mystatin happens and utilizing another compound to overcome that comes into effect at the latter part of a longer cycle.
A well known member here turned me on to the 3 days winny, 3 days dbol or anadrol and back and forth.
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I was more worried about dbol for the bloat/e2 issues most people have on it. You have not mentioned previous experience in it.

Also, I know we try to avoid generalizing AAS into “cutting and “bulking”. I really feel like dbol is best served at the beginning for the strength and fullness it provides. I’m not sure how effect “growth” would be at 4 weeks at the end of a cycle

Last thing I wanted was for you to last 4 weeks swell up like a balloon then lose it all, or have trouble with the pct.

You can run it longer, I just personally wouldn’t. I would utilize the blast you have now, and get another one in before the end of the year. If you are wanting a long cycle , I would suggest dhb or eq as you can stretch them 16-20 weeks
 
The ole man said:
Thank you bro! Glad to see you!
Hope life is treating you all right?
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Old man I think I need some advice for the first time in my life .. and I already know what you’re going to say!! And you have a general idea what it might be about ??!! A WOMAN ... and I’m pretty fucking good and faithful and picky picky I am I am
 
ONDRUN said:
No I let it go... I dragged that shit up 4 stories of fucked up stairs that were not cut right to make these little dinky steps..
was up like four straight days totaling 5 and at the end of the day they love the way it looked and the workmanship..
not even a simple “thank you” no appreciation, it was absolutely worthless waste of time.. i’m still in shock; I THOUGHT I would be like a superman like the ultimate awesome guy but they ended up kind of like well he could’ve done more ..WTF
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I told you.... shoulda fucked the sister!
 
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